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    Default Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    I notice that sometimes someone talks about how well-made a fragrance is, and how its a must-have, but when I get the fragrance it smells like crap (both from sniffing the bottle, and after spraying some on myself)? Is this just a result of my body chemistry, or is it just that the fragrance is reported to be nice because someone programmed themselves to like it?

    I got Basi Homme, and Armand Basi Homme.. they smell like crap. Ok, so now I know that I don't like "tobacco" type stuff, because I also think Yang and Laguna are garbage.. they aren't the least bit nice-to-smell, and when (heh) women smell all these that I have just mentioned, they grimace, because they are repulsed by the scent that just hit their nose.



    I mean, this just makes me nervous, now.. because I go to the store and try a few samples, they smell alright to me, but everyone else puts them down, and NOW, I go to basenotes, get a few recommendations, and the same stuff happens. WHERE TO TURN FOR GOOD LEADS.. where to turn.

    I just ordered a bunch more samples/decants from people on this site, based on rec's.. if they all BUST, then I am going to be sorely peeved.. both for not getting a good fragrance, and for listening to (bad) advice.



    Sorry.
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Wait till you try Yatagan, Bel Ami and Kouros...

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    What do you mean? Are they more crap that has been evangelized?

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by joellark
    I notice that sometimes someone talks about how well-made a fragrance is, and how its a must-have, but when I get the fragrance it smells like crap (both from sniffing the bottle, and after spraying some on myself)
    Well, this happens to me too. I think a person just has to learn how to listen to other people's recommendations, and yet at the same time exercise their own best judgement.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by joellark
    Is this just a result of my body chemistry, or is it just that the fragrance is reported to be nice because someone programmed themselves to like it?
    Probably both, and also the fact that different people have different experiences and preferences. Sometimes it’s body chemistry. Sometimes the other person’s recommendation is not good. Sometimes the other person has different preferences.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Hi Joellark,
    Sorry to hear about your predicament but surely you don't think we all have the same tastes in fragrances? Some of us like to be understated, some like bold sillage and some like their fragrances to be floral, others gourmand. There are so many scents out there to cater to all these preferences (though i think they've gone overboard on the orientals lately). You have to find the one that works for you. For example, Laguna gets me many compliments, from both sexes and so does Yang while i agree the basi scents are "crap". See!

    I'd love to find out what has worked for you so far. Perhaps from there, the collective that is basenotes, can give you better recommendations as to what to look out for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by milamber
    Hi Joellark,
    Sorry to hear about your predicament but surely you don't think we all have the same tastes in fragrances? Some of us like to be understated, some like bold sillage and some like their fragrances to be floral, others gourmand. There are so many scents out there to cater to all these preferences (though i think they've gone overboard on the orientals lately). You have to find the one that works for you. For example, Laguna gets me many compliments, from both sexes and so does Yang while i agree the basi scents are "crap". See!

    I'd love to find out what has worked for you so far. Perhaps from there, the collective that is basenotes, can give you better recommendations as to what to look out for?
    Ungaro III, but lately that isn't working anymore. Its a multi-faced frustration I am having, because I have gone through all crappy scents, so I'm being burnt into thinking that there isn't a cologne out there that works well with me, that I like, and that others like (but on a real and physical level, not on some philosophical plain).

    O/T: how would I go about finding out what notes I like, and what type of stuff I prefer general. Clearly, I have a preference, but maybe I am looking for the appropriate labels to put on those preferences, to be able to use the information being presented on this site, and reject the rec's that are "crap," from my personal view.

    I just got samples/decants/bottles of:

    Habit Rouge 3.4oz Brand new
    Terre d'Hermes 1.6oz 95% full
    Envy 3.4oz 99%full
    Vera Wang 1.7oz 55%full
    VeraWang(aftershave) 3.4oz 90%full

    New Haarlem Bond No. 9 New York 2003
    Égoïste / L'Égoïste Chanel 1990
    Bois du Portugal Creed 1987
    Ambre Extrême L'Artisan Parfumeur 2001
    Idole de Lubin Lubin 2005
    Chergui Serge Lutens Les Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido 2001
    Relax
    M7 Fresh
    JHL, by Aramis 1982
    Millésime Impérial, by Creed 1995
    Tea for Two, by L'Artisan Parfumeur 2000
    Dior Homme, by Christian Dior 2005
    Voleur de Roses, by L'Artisan Parfumeur 1993
    Last edited by joellark; 24th July 2006 at 01:30 AM.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Use the fragrance families. There are several types, but keep it simple. Just look at scents as floral, citrus, oriental, fougere, chypre or marine and see which construction you favour most.

    What are your impressions on the samples/decants/bottles that you've just received? Bear in mind, it takes a while to truly know a scent, but initial impressions are a good guide. Pick 3 of those you just got that you wouldn't mind spending the time to get to know better. Then in a systematic way, try them out:
    1. Different methods of application. Full blast or walkthrough.
    2. Different times of the day. Morning or Evening.
    3. Different parts of the body. Chest only or chest + exposed parts like wrists, elbows, neck or just exposed parts etc.
    4. Check out the fragrant's pyramid. How is it supposed to behave. What notes are dominant. Do you still like the scent after the topnotes have burnt off etc.
    5. Take it out for a spin. Socialise with people, using the scent. Any perceptible reactions on others and/or yourself?

    That's basically what i do before the scent gets written in my notebook.

    To know a scent is to find out a little more about yourself.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Is that really effective?

    No, no.. that's not what I mean.. I can get to know a scent, no problem, as long as I know straight away that it doesn't smell repulsive. I'm scared that something I initially think is repulsive will grow on me, and become something magnificient. I'm wearing cologne partially for myself, but ALSO to smell good to OTHER people. I won't lie. If a scent grows on me, then probably everyone else I meet will probably be set in my initial "this is repulsive" mode, which is no good.

    Or am I missing something?

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by joellark
    Is that really effective?

    No, no.. that's not what I mean.. I can get to know a scent, no problem, as long as I know straight away that it doesn't smell repulsive. I'm scared that something I initially think is repulsive will grow on me, and become something magnificient. I'm wearing cologne partially for myself, but ALSO to smell good to OTHER people. I won't lie. If a scent grows on me, then probably everyone else I meet will probably be set in my initial "this is repulsive" mode, which is no good.

    Or am I missing something?
    Am I hearing you correctly? You're scared of a frag growing on you, because you don't want to have to explain yourself to people who knew you initially didn't like the frag?

    We have posts here on just that topic ALL THE TIME. And even in my own personal experience I have several frags that I didn't like @ first that have grwon on me & are now some of my favorites. There's absolutely no shame in that .
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    No, no.. that it grows on me, but is actually still crap.

    Like, I don't like Laguna now, and people are repulsed by the scent that comes from me when I wear it, but all of a sudden I have an epiphany and start loving Laguna, and start wearing it all the time.. all while repulsing everyone who was unlucky enough to catch a whiff of the juice coming from my person..

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    I think he means that if his initial impression of a scent is negative, then it others will find it repulsive, even if it has grown on him.

    This shouldn't be a big worry. Fragrances are meant to smell GOOD and most people will have a positive response to most fragrances. Most of my favorites took me a while to appreciate, but that doesn't mean others who smell them on me won't like the way I smell right away.

    I think the original poster needs to be a little less self-conscious (which can be easier said than done!). Although we all have our insecurities, you can't go through life terrified that people you meet you will find you repulsive.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    If you don't like a scent, don't wear it and it won't get the chance to grow on you. I fell in love with Laguna on the first sniff. I grew to like Ungaro III. Wear a scent that you like and let others think what they may, otherwise you'll end up not wearing anything at all. Perhaps a suggestion is for you to try these "safer" alternatives, instead of all the niche and rare stuff that gets mentioned a lot here:

    1. Acqua di Gio
    2. Davidoff Cool Water
    3. Cool Water Deep
    4. Cool Water Game
    5. CK One
    6. CK One Summer
    7. D&G Masculine
    8. Polo Blue
    9. CK Eternity
    1o. CK Eternity Summer

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by joellark
    No, no.. that it grows on me, but is actually still crap.

    Like, I don't like Laguna now, and people are repulsed by the scent that comes from me when I wear it, but all of a sudden I have an epiphany and start loving Laguna, and start wearing it all the time.. all while repulsing everyone who was unlucky enough to catch a whiff of the juice coming from my person..
    Ah ok, I see. But you're not taking into consideration that people will have different reactions to different frags. A chick may love a certain scent on you upon first sniff, whereas it might've taken you awhile to warm up to that particular scent. Just because YOU had an unfavorable reaction to something at first doesn't mean that everyone else will have the exact same reaction.
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    It also helps to make a list of notes that really work well on you, and notes that are truly repulsive (at least in most cases). You'd be surprised what that list looks like! For example, licorice and anise both work brilliantly on me (who could guess?), but my favorite flower, rose, does not. Nor do some of my favorite kitchen smells like saffron and honey. And tobacco and aldehydes are the biggest NOs of all! Then I look at a frag I'd be interested in or one that gets a lot of good buzz. I check out the notes. Those that match my list, I order a sample, try it, and ask relatives and friends for opinions, too. If that makes the cut, I'll try another sample or a mini. If it's still love, I buy a bottle. This system seems to be working really well and saving money, too!

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by CologneJunkie
    Just because YOU had an unfavorable reaction to something at first doesn't mean that everyone else will have the exact same reaction.
    Indeed! And vice versa.

    One guy's "crap" is another guy's "masterpiece".
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by tigrushka
    Indeed! And vice versa.

    One guy's "crap" is another guy's "masterpiece".

    Indeed! I think Yang and Laguna are both "masterpiece". In fact, Yang is one of my most complimented fragrances. But please, the key to Yang is "less is more" if you know what that means.

    P.S. there are no "crap" fragrances, if you dont like it then you dont like it, and let's leave it at that.
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    crap is relative.
    if there are no crap fragrances then there are no masterpiece fragrances.

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by HackerX
    there are no "crap" fragrances, if you dont like it then you dont like it, and let's leave it at that.
    So true, but still "debates" like this one here seem to be endless... Scent solipsism, perhaps?
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by genvy5
    crap is relative.
    if there are no crap fragrances then there are no masterpiece fragrances.
    too true. You'll never find a consensus frag. Once we find something that 100% of us believe is wonderful Grant can just shut this place down. What would the point be.

    After a while pn basenotes, you'll learn to single out particular other members who have similar noses and tastes to yours. Read their reviews, and disregard the rest (though, for less utilitarian purposes, its very fun to read the opinions of those who have contrary noses)

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by genvy5
    crap is relative.
    if there are no crap fragrances then there are no masterpiece fragrances.
    Sure, you can say whatever you want to say, this is a place to express freedom of words. And i'm not here to judge what people say, i just think that one better think twice before using the choice of word.

    So tell me, is "crap" complementary to "masterpiece"?
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    if crap rates a 1 and masterpiece rates a 10, then sure, it's antagonistic. i dont think you need to take intellectual offense to that, do you?

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by genvy5
    if crap rates a 1 and masterpiece rates a 10, then sure, it's antagonistic. i dont think you need to take intellectual offense to that, do you?
    Maybe you misunderstood me, sure they are quite contradictory, but do you think "crap" is the right word to use? And does it make you intellectual to use a word such as "crap" to contradict with "masterpiece"? If you can convince me that "crap" sounds intellectual, please enlighten me.
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    i don't care what word you replace crap with. i decided to use the word crap in lieu of this topic's focus, which seems mainly to be around the word crap. i can get far less intelligent in wording than the word crap, and conversely i can be far more intelligent in my wording. however i'm not trying to impress anyone here with my brainpower(obviously, or i'd take the extra centisecond to bother with punctuation, capitalization, etc)

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    Oh, Crap.
    Are you not entertained??? Is this not why you are here??

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Fair enough. Of course to every "masterpiece" there is a "non-masterpiece", which in turn is a subjective matter. Obviously i know "crap" contradicts with "masterpiece" somewhat, and obviously i'm smart enough to know the difference. What i've been implying so far is the choice of words, that's why i put crap in "". Certainly, "crap" is offensive to a fragrance collector, every fragrance is an art, you dont have to like it, but that doesn't make it "crap", it surely can make "non-masterpiece". So i hope this misunderstanding is not taken too far. No offense taken at all.
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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    My wife thinks i'm somewhere between "crap" and a "masterpiece".
    Hopefully i'm closer to the latter and not the former.


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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    why is there such a heated discussion going on over the word "crap"?? Why not discuss fragrances instead?

    I mean really people, who gives a crap....

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    I love cologne

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    Default Re: Why would you say a fragrance is good, when it smells like crap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockford
    I love cologne
    Me too!
    Are you not entertained??? Is this not why you are here??

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