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Thread: Fake Creed

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  1. #31

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    Giraffe, I sympathise with you as you seem to be in torment over whether this fragrance is genuine or not. And sadly you may never know for sure.

    If there's anything to be learned it seems to be that with a discount price comes risk and uncertainty. If you want peace of mind you have to pay a premium. Perhaps not department store sized, but at least reputable retailer sized.

  2. #32

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    [QUOTE=The_Giraffe]

    Question: where is the date supposed to be? I can't find it anywhere.

    QUOTE]

    All my Creeds have a year stamped on it. Its above that block of text - "Ces essences et absolus de lieurs...etc" - Theres a rectangle box above those text and the year is in there. Its stamped, not printed with ink.

    Also, underneath the box there's a sticker with serial numbers.

  3. #33

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    That rectangle is empty on my on my box and there is no serial number.

    I also just wrote a email to Aedes in NYC (they are like 10 minutes away from me) to see if they would be willing to take a look at the Creed GIT I bought on ebay to see if it is a fake. I also asked them about the Date and Serial number on the boxes. Once I hear back I will post the answer.

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  4. #34

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    If you do a search in the Male Fragrance Discussionon with the keywords
    date box

    you will find many posts re Creed authenticity, boxes, dates etc. There is seemingly no consistency in the packaging of seemingly authentic Creeds and the company is of no help.

    For example:
    http://www.community.basenotes.net/s...light=date+box

    http://www.community.basenotes.net/s...light=date+box

    http://www.community.basenotes.net/s...light=date+box

    and many others.
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  5. #35

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    My bottle of GIT arrived today from New Joisy. Cost me 60$ plus 19.99 for shipping at 120ml. The seller was njbestsale.
    From what I can tell after close inspection of carton and bottle this is genuine Creed. Contrary to my other Creed boxes, this one has little "Creed" relief impregnations all over the cardboard. Older design or GIT-specific?

    But:

    The cracked cap broke on transport, perfume spilled and messed up the box. No longer suitable as a gift. Traces of the broken plastic cap mixed with spilled juice (man, I wish Creed would use metal or at least a high-quality plastic, those caps are so crappy) left a black smeary film on the bottle and in the box.

    Much worse: The spray mechanism does not work. I cannot say, of course, wether this resulted from rough handling during shipping also, or was broken to begin with. Anyway, I'll have to break the bottle to get at the juice.


    From the spillage the entire package smelled intensely of perfume. Like a letter from Cary Grant, harhar. This is certainly alot like Cool Water, it's quite strong, so perhaps it's real GIT (or real Cool Water ).

    Well, I guess I'll decant this into a nice atomizer and keep the bottle as a memento of the price you have to pay for super discounts sometime. While I'm disappointed, I am not angry - I knew I was taking a risk.

    I will ask the seller about the spray mechanism. Obviously I can't return this at except if he's willing to pay for the postage.
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  6. #36

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    All,

    I too bought from bisys on Ebay; in fact, GIT and SMW for near similar prices as the owner of this thread. I received the GIT a few days ago and noticed the same characteristics described earlier. Seems legit, just real, real...real old. I'm gonna find a sample from Neiman Marcus to compare but I'm totally convinced that the one I have is stale to the high heavens. I know I've read that GIT doesn't last long, but the one I have not only does not last long, the afternotes are so weak, its near rancid.

    On the possible bright side, I bought MI from a discounter in Los Angeles and so far I am pleased. Like most Creed reviews, it only lasts a few hours. The box had the "date" stamp and the MI seems fresh and fantastic. However, this too could be just a real good knock off. I'll report later to give an update. Seems to me that Neiman's is the only in person, "100% risk free" place to buy Creed, unfortunately, at the ridiculous price.

    That said, I think we should start a thread promoting good sellers while also exposing the fakes. I've read a few times that scentiments.com seems to sell legit Creed at discount prices, but I haven't personally purchased anything from them.

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    The main difference between GIT and Cool Water is that GIT smells a lot more like "grass" in its middle notes, while Cool Water smells fresh and maybe a bit minty.

    GREEN IRISH TWEED = TWEED = grassy.

    Surely Davidoff wouldnt be as foolish so as to have a fragrance called COOL WATER smell like grass. The similarity is only in the top notes; the middle notes (grassy vs. fresh) and the drydown are totally different.
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    I decided to send a diplomatic message to the guy. I said that I would rather work this out than give him negative feedback. I told him that I would be happy if he sent me a fresh, legitimate bottle of Green Irish Tweed. If not, I will need a prompt refund. If he won't send me a good bottle I will probably give him negative or at best neutral feedback. Even if the Creed isn't a fake, it sure doesn't smell right. He should have better stock. If he does send me a legit bottle though, then I will probably give him positive feedback but note in the feedback that he initially sent me a bad bottle but then was nice about replacing it. The most important thing is that you all know to be wary. I'll let y'all know how this goes.

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    The guy replied, and based on what he said the result makes sense. He says that his stuff is leftover stock from stores and that he doesn't know how old or fresh/not fresh it is. Makes perfect sense. While he could have been friendlier, he did at least offer me a refund. After everything is said and done with the refund he will definately be getting feedback that notes the poor quality of the juice.

  10. #40

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    The guys at Aedes got back to me. Here is what they wrote in their very nice email.

    "Thank you for your message. I checked our boxes from Creed, NYC distributrion
    center and they all have Made in France on them, a lot/serial # and some of
    them show in imprint on the box - on the back side of the box - the year made!

    We'd be happy to look at a fragrance and do a "scent comparison", if you bring
    it in. Yes, absolutely. There are several versions/rumors as to where the
    fakes come from and Olivier Creed is aware of that for quite some time and
    they are trying all they can do to stop this.....

    Kind regards,

    Robert"


    So I guess I will make a quick trip over there one of these days and have them check out the my GIT from "njbestsale" from ebay. I will post once I come back from meeting with them.

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  11. #41

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_good_life
    Contrary to my other Creed boxes, this one has little "Creed" relief impregnations all over the cardboard. Older design or GIT-specific?
    I think this is actually a feature of later packaging. The older boxes had textured paper without the crest pattern.

  12. #42

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    I got my SMW from bidsys00. It is absolutely FAKE. The sprayer is not the correct size, the juice smells WATERED down, and the engraving on the cap is not even close. Also, the white paint is peeling off the bottle. It is complete shite. The white paint is not even applied evenly. I emailed him for a refund and reported the item as counterfeit to ebay.

  13. #43

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    patelt78 could you post some pictures of the box and bottle?

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  14. #44

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    So, I finally got the motivation to read this whole post. Just thought I'd add what my Creed Orange Spice box looks like, which I bought from a seller with 100% feedback.
    • There are little embossed Creed logos all over the box.
    • The front of the box, where the name is located, is felt.
    • It has a lot stamp, that stamp is on the bottom not the back, the stamp would have mine most likely a 2005 bottle.
    • There was no plastic seal on the box. From what I understand, Creed boxes are not sealed like that. (Though if, as Aedes says, Creed is doing all they can to stop counterfeiting, then why not seal them with a hard-to-duplicate seal?)
    • I have no date stamp on my box. I found it interesting that Aedes said "some" of their boxes have the date stamped on the back. I guess that means if you don't have the stamp, it doesn't help in determining whether or not it's a fake. (This wipes out a lot of claims that are based on that item alone.)
    • The sprayer works fine and sprays a huge amount, just like the ones I have used at Saks.
    • The cap fits snugly and has a gold Creed crown logo insert on the top of it.
    • There were Creed paper inserts in the package that give the house's history and mini-bios on the Creed family members.
    • The bottle has the Creed logo, "Made in France," and "Creed" raised as part of the bottle - the latter two on the bottom of the bottle. The logo on the front appears to be painted gold.
    I'm 100% convinced mine is genuine, based on seller reputation, smell, and appearance. All-in-all, I would say Indie is right. Many of these bottles that people report as fakes are not fakes, so much as different years of Creeds. The packaging seems to change over the years, and in past threads people here have even complained about inconsistency from one year to the next.

    Furthermore, it would seem it would be very time-consuming to fake this level of detail on the bottle and packaging. Most importantly, it would probably be more expensive than just buying a bunch of overstock Creeds from a warehouse and reselling them. I mean, who would design and print boxes with so much detail? Printing costs a lot of money. Not to mention printing felt and applying it to the boxes, which have the embossed Creed logos all over them. And that's not getting to the bottle itself. Or the juice that smells too close to call.

    I guess someone could have stolen a bunch of Creed boxes and empty bottles, or had them made, or gone through the trash to find them, then had someone make fake juice, and put it into the bottles, and machine seal the bottles, and package them, but doesn't that seem like a lot of work to sell something at a discounted rate anyway?

    I say if it's close, it's almost surely legit. And if it's a fake, you'll know it, not just suspect it.

  15. #45

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    Having gone through the whole process of purchasing a "bargain" GIT on EBay a few months ago, my recommendation is what was mentioned earlier: if you want a QUALITY bottle of Creed, purchase it at a quality location like Neiman Marcus, where the perfume inventory sells and is constantly replenished with fresh stock. With respect to Creed, it would appear that the only "bargains" available are from old stock, and the Creeds do not seem to hold up to age well.

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  16. #46

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    I'm glad I came across this thread! I was just about to bid on some Creed from bisys00 as well.

    Is it generally alright to purchase it from more reputable online places like scentmonkey or scentiments? The discounts are still nicer than Neiman's.

  17. #47

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    All other arguments notwithstanding, the Creed house notes are pretty easy to pick out. Admittedly I've only experienced a total of 3 Creed scents. Tabarome, GIT, and Citrus Bigarrande. However all three are of considerably different character and yet there's that certain 'something' within each that is the same. And it's pretty easy to pick out. Which makes me wonder, does anyone associate the house note taking on the olfactory properties of a urinal that hasn't been flushed recently? LOL. It's a bit offputting when you're nose is right on your arm smelling that, but somehow it makes the whole fragrance 'pop'. Go figure. Probably just me, I realize. Well...Maybe a few other people..Tops..

  18. #48

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    I posted about this in the "fake creed" thread and did some research on this issue. There really seems to be no consensus, and I'd like opinions from the experts in one thread so that others could easily find the answer in the future -- if there is an answer. My personal issue is Creed OV, which I bought from a reputable store (at least I assume so), love the frag., and all seems ok, but there was no date on the box (only a place for a date on a label, but the label is blank). Also I received no booklet, but I don't consider that a big red flag since the box was unsealed -- why the heck doesn't Creed seal the box??? Even my $12 box of Iceberg Twice was sealed in a beautiful box. A good plastic seal would present at least a small problem for bootleggers.

  19. #49

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    I have lots of creeds, mostly from highly reputable sellers; specialist perfume shops, department stores etc and a few off the 'bay. there seems to be no pattern, some have dates some don't. I wonder if they contract out the packaging to the lowest bidder on a yearly basis or something??
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  20. #50

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    I just bought Creed MI from fragrancenet.com. The gold plating is coming off the back and it didn't have the pamphlet inside. Besides that it looks and smells real to me. The SMW I bought on scentiments and the small GIT I bought at Neiman Marcus. Caps all look the same besides the colors. On another thread some one stated that the cap and the top insert should be different colors. Mine aren't but I do no think that matters. I know for sure the GIT is real but the SMW and MI and am not sure. The box looks real also according to the other post on how to tell if box is fake. Anyone have any opinions?
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  21. #51

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    I have pics but do not know how to display. Can anyone help with that? Thanks.

  22. #52

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    If it smells like it should, what's the difference? Fragrancenet.com and Scentiments.com has not sold a fake item to any Basenoters yet and they're generally well regarded online retailers. Posting pics is possible, just add the [img] thing at the ends of the image location html. For example:

    [img]www.blahblahblah.com/fakeitem.jpeg[/img]

  23. #53

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    Got this off ebay from someone who said it was a present, bought at Neiman Marcus. Smells right, and it doesn't have any of the defects listed on the fake creed thread
    http://community.basenotes.net/showt...ght=fake+creed

    No spelling mistakes, the cap is two pieces with the plastic inside, the sprayer is the right size and not a screw on - however it does have this weird faded ring around the emblem of the cap, and the silver colour is a little faded.

    I imagine it's not real, or at least the cap isn't.

    What do you wise and experienced people think?














  24. #54

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    Is the paint on the bottle chipping?

  25. #55

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    No, not at all, it doesn't even seem like paint, it seems like the bottle is made from white ceramic.

    The thing that's weird is the weird faded ring around the emblem on the cap.

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    I say if it smells like a load of blackcurrants with a hint of tea, its the real thing.
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  27. #57

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    Looking at my own SMW, I would say it's real. How about a picture of the bottom?

  28. #58

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    yeah has it got a lot number on the bottom? mine has a slight gap around the emblem, maybe someone thought that was wrong and tried to fill it with something?
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  29. #59

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    No number at the bottom, just says Creed Made in France Paris Hp 6

    I'll take a pictuer and post it when I get the chance.

    Hirsch, what do you mean by a gap near the emblem?

    The sprayer has a really nice soft touch and you can really control how much goes on.

  30. #60

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    Here's the "ass" of the bottle



    I find this to be a really strange scent. It's funny, I know what people mean by the Creed "house note". It's kind of like the way that all aftershave lotions have a similar tinge to them, even if they have nothing to do with eachother, inherent in the lotion itself and not the fragrance oils.

    There was one reviewer who complained that it smelled like teabags under your armpits, and I agree, though I like it! I don't like the opening though. I never liked lemon in my tea! Once it settles down, it's nice and smooth, which I like, and it has decent longevity which is unusual on me.

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