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    Default Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    I found a full 100ml bottle of Kouros on ebay from Canada for $20. Having heard such intense things about it here, I went for it blind. Actually I like to get most things blind if they're at a good price.

    Well, on the one hand, I really don't see what's so "ditry" and sweaty, spermy, etc about it. It's very nice. I'd call it clean and fresh even. But that's only if you use half a spray.

    If you use a full spray, you suddenly realize why it's called "eau de toilette". It really smells like pee. It's a sugary pee, as if you ate a box of cap'n'crunch, let some flow on yourself and didn't wash it off for a couple of days until fermentation just begins.

    What on earth is that note?
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    It is just Kouros...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    I found a full 100ml bottle of Kouros on ebay from Canada for $20. Having heard such intense things about it here, I went for it blind. Actually I like to get most things blind if they're at a good price.

    Well, on the one hand, I really don't see what's so "ditry" and sweaty, spermy, etc about it. It's very nice. I'd call it clean and fresh even. But that's only if you use half a spray.

    If you use a full spray, you suddenly realize why it's called "eau de toilette". It really smells like pee. It's a sugary pee, as if you ate a box of cap'n'crunch, let some flow on yourself and didn't wash it off for a couple of days until fermentation just begins.

    What on earth is that note?
    i think it's the honey

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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    there are at least eight thousand threads on this topic. they can be found using the basenotes search engine. type in "kouros pee" "kouros piss" "kouros urine" etc
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    Ah - thanks, I shall have to do my research!
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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    Actually I like to get most things blind if they're at a good price.
    :toppie: That's the way to go! I go for the roller coaster ride too.

    I can't say what the "piss" note is, it only smells off on me if I wear a lot of it. The only frag which tends to go bad on me is Givenchy Gentlemen, so I'll guess it could be patchouli in Kouros which could be the infamous note.

    On the other hand, Aura of Patchouli does not. I have only worn Aura of Patchouli when I'm clean though. In fact I use the Aura of Patchouli talc & soap too. My amigo scentemental has stated that patchouli seems to be a note which does not react well to unclean skin, so there might be a difference between wearing something patchouli based like Kouros at the beginning of the day/after a shower and spritzing at the end of the day. I haven't made an experiment out of it but I'll defer to his wisdom on this one.
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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    I bet its the civet note.

    Civet = gonad scrapings of the civet cat.
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    Almost everytime there's a post on *Kouros*, the fabled "piss note" or "urinal cake note" is mentioned--too often with a prurient glee, and even more often, unfortunately, with a persistent denial that any fragrance can have a “pee note” in it. A denial that usually borders on the absurd and even the pathological as certain posters go to inordinate lengths and argumentative contortions to keep the fabled piss note out of their beloved *Kouros*.

    No perfumer worth his or her salt would deny the use of what are called “urinous” and “fecal” notes to augment the power, substantivity, diffusivity, not to mention the longevity of a fragrance. Some of the most important fixatives in perfumery--civet, castoreum, labdanum, musks, and even white floral absolutes like that those of jasmine and neroli all contain in varying degrees urinous and fecal notes that have proven indispensible to the perfumer’s art and have formed the bedrock of great women’s perfumes and, to a lesser extent, men’s fragrances. The best sandalwood oils are prized for adding a urinous animalic tonality to the basenotes of fragrances. These are not just my terms; these are the terms of perfumers and those involved in the production and refinement of aroma chemicals.

    I am, therefore, weighing in, once again, on the conversation with how I understand the nature of this fable “piss” note in Kouros. I have already posted this response in another thread, but I can’t seem to link to it, so I beg the reader’s indulgence in posting it again.

    Suprisingly, what is not mentioned often at all is the strong and persistent animalic note that is woven into the entire drydown of *Kouros*. It is present from the first spray and persists to the end of *Kouros's* dying breath.

    The "piss note" comes from this animalic component. Any one of three notes, jasmine, amber, or musk might be responsible for such a note. More than likely, it is the musk. Jasmine and amber tend to have a high indole component and project the fecal notes in many fragrances. Certain musks--and civet also--have a fecal component but also have what can be termed a urinous component to them, or, less delicately, a "piss note".

    My experience from observing various reactions from Basenoters to various civet and musk containing fragrances is that some people have a hightened sensitivity to "piss notes" and some a complete "blind spot" (a.k.a. selective anosmia). Sorry, I'm mixing my metaphors.

    Animalic components in fragrances are high-powered ways of extending the diffusivity and longevity of fragrances and, it's undeniable, their attraction. When blended well, as they're are in *Kouros*--unless you happen to be one of those people who is hypersensitive to fecal or urea notes--they intensify and clarify certain notes and also carry many of them, giving them an extension into the drydown they would not otherwise have had. They also add extra body and palpability to the fragrance, a certain undeniable textured aromatic substantivity. Finally, it should be noted, they appeal, at a very deep level, to the primal recognition of bodily odors by which--in our not so distant past--we used as the main means of identifying our fellow creatures, much like dogs do, and which were very closely tied to sexual attraction.

    Much of this explains, on one level, why there are such strong, diametrically opposed responses to *Kouros* and perhaps, also, why so many women tend to find it a very attractive fragrance on a man. Furthermore, since women's fragrances have, traditionally, tended to be about seduction, it should not surprise us that fecal and urea notes have featured prominently in such fragrances, predominantly through the urea component of civet and the indole component of jasmine and other white florals. On a very deep level, I suspect women get *Kouros* more than men do because of this experience with such ingredients. It's interesting to consider that of all the comments on the dreaded "piss notes" in *Kouros*, almost all of them have come from men. I recall that when the women on this board have weighed in on *Kouros* the "piss note" has not been an issue with them. (Please correct me if I'm wrong on this point.) I used to wear *Kouros* a lot in the 1980s. As far as I can recall, *Kouros* always received nothing but praise from women. Men's reactions were ususally divided.

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    Exactly.

    Kouros in little amounts is amazing. You apply too much and you stink!

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    Lol I know what you're talking about, it's one of the few colognes which I don't just find boring, or unappealing to me, I find it downright disgusting.

    I'll probably be flamed but in my somewhat short experience with fragrance, I am totally boggled by how such a huge number of people on here find YSL fragrances to be so amazing.

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    Thanks scentimental - I'm a little confused though. How does jasmine smell urinous? Is it a property of the oil, or is this something added to project the jasmine? I don't know what indole is.

    And can you give examples of a fragrance with a heavy "fecal" note. I don't think I've ever smelled anything in a cologne bottle that evokes feces.

    And yess I feel a strong sense of Beavis and Buttheadesque glee whenever I get to say "pee pee". Huh, huh huh ,huh huh.
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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    Phenomenal post scentemental. The kind that's so good it could generate tears.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    And yess I feel a strong sense of Beavis and Buttheadesque glee whenever I get to say "pee pee". Huh, huh huh ,huh huh.
    lol caesar, how old are you man ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp
    lol caesar, how old are you man ?

    Thirty-one! Prime age for pipi poo poo jokes.

    I'm really not a big fan of most TV, but I must say that Beavis and Butthead really strikes a deep chord in me in a way that "clever" shows like the Simpsons or South Park don't. Those shows are full of brilliant jokes, witty satire, clever dialogue etc - but Beavis and Butthead are REAL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    Thanks scentimental - I'm a little confused though. How does jasmine smell urinous? Is it a property of the oil, or is this something added to project the jasmine? I don't know what indole is.

    And can you give examples of a fragrance with a heavy "fecal" note. I don't think I've ever smelled anything in a cologne bottle that evokes feces.

    And yess I feel a strong sense of Beavis and Buttheadesque glee whenever I get to say "pee pee". Huh, huh huh ,huh huh.
    I didn't say Jasmine smelled urinous. I said Jasmine projects the fecal note in a fragrance. In certain diluted concentrations, as found in white flowers, like Jasmine for example, indole actually has a floral bouquet note to it. It's actually part of the floral bouquet note in white flowers, and that's why it's used in white-floral predominant perfumes; it gives an added dimension, body, and extension to the floral notes. It literally fixes the floral notes and keeps them projecting stronger and for longer.

    Any great women's scents heavy in real jasmine projects a fecal note. Chanel No. 5 is a classic example. Pure Jasmine absolute has a very strong indole component to it as does neroli absolute. Many Jasmine aromachemical substitutes--very few perfumes use true Jasmine or large amounts of Jasmine these days--have the indole component removed. Keiko Mecheri's Jasmin is a good example. Jicky is another fragrance, especially, the Parfum de Extrait version, that projects a noticeable indole/fecal component that adds to the aromatic complexity and synergy of the other elements. In Jicky's case it is civet which provides the fecal note.

    You missed the point if you think of it as feces. While feces contain indole, they also contain many other noisome aromatic components. Indole, fecal note, and feces are not the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    Thirty-one! Prime age for pipi poo poo jokes.

    I'm really not a big fan of most TV, but I must say that Beavis and Butthead really strikes a deep chord in me in a way that "clever" shows like the Simpsons or South Park don't. Those shows are full of brilliant jokes, witty satire, clever dialogue etc - but Beavis and Butthead are REAL.
    Uh no.... South Park is where its at !
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental
    You missed the point if you think of it as feces. While feces contain indole, they also contain many other noisome aromatic components. Indole, fecal note, and feces are not the same thing.

    So you mean that indole is in feces as well as in various flowers, and as such when you have those flowers in your fragrance it evokes a "fecal" note?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp
    Uh no.... South Park is where its at !
    Nah - the kids on south park are waaay too clever. Beavis and Butthead are real genuine north american kids brought up in an environment of TV and junkfood. Did you ever see the one where they are walking down the streat and this big dog attacks beavis and is basically eating him, and Butthead is just standing there giggling as if it were a television show?

    Or when they go to their friend's house and systematically open and shut every single cupboard door in the kitchen in rapid succession searching for the junk section?

    This is real life!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    So you mean that indole is in feces as well as in various flowers, and as such when you have those flowers in your fragrance it evokes a "fecal" note?
    Exactly. Indole is the aromatic component found in both white flowers and feces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran
    Phenomenal post scentemental. The kind that's so good it could generate tears.

    Thanks pluran. I appreciate your comment and the sentiment behind it.

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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental
    I used to wear *Kouros* a lot in the 1980s. As far as I can recall, *Kouros* always received nothing but praise from women. Men's reactions were ususally divided
    When I wear Kouros, my guy pals rarely have complimentary things to say about it.

    But I dont even come close when I wear any other frag when it comes to female compliments.

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    Default Re: Why does Kouros smell like pee pee?

    A friend of mine says that Serge Lutens Miel de Bois smells like urinal cake. It must be the tuberose there, another white flower.

    BTW, this same friend puts tuberoses in his bathroom to "cover up" bathroom smells...

    Go figure!
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    Isn't this topic getting a little old? Anyways, I tried this out a little while ago, and while I don't smell the "pee" note at all, I'll be damned if it didn't smell exactly like urinal cake. After about an hour I smelled it again- it smelled fantastic. So, it's on my wish list. Anybody who doesn't like theirs wanna trade for some M7?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp
    Uh no.... South Park is where its at !
    Nah man it's all about Family Guy

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR
    .....I don't think I've ever smelled anything in a cologne bottle that evokes feces....
    Jicky!

    (rhymes with 'icky' strangely enough....)

    Nice if you like a blast of civet cat's arse right in your face.
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    Meanwhile.....Kouros is mostly urinal cake. But there is some pee in there too for sure.
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    So what happens when you layer Kingdom (McQueen) with Kouros? Anybody want to take a stab at this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicboy
    So what happens when you layer Kingdom (McQueen) with Kouros? Anybody want to take a stab at this one?
    You get Toilet Water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenuineImitationLife
    Jicky!

    (rhymes with 'icky' strangely enough....)

    Nice if you like a blast of civet cat's arse right in your face.

    Aren't there ethical issues in terms of harvesting civet glands or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenuineImitationLife
    Meanwhile.....Kouros is mostly urinal cake. But there is some pee in there too for sure.
    Well what's the point of urinal cake without the urine? It's like breakfast cereal without milk.
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