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    Default Ebay to shut down all decant sales

    I don't really know where to post this but....Just a heads up incase you haven't already heard , starting next week Ebay will no longer allow the sale of perfume decants on their site. I read it on both MUA & POL. I guess they have been having a lot of problems with certain manufacturers complaining or some such thing. I'm just disgusted by this...especially because I have been able to sample so many wonderful fragrances I normally wouldn't have access to.

    I'm sad.

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    This is the end of life as I know it.
    Please, spritz responsibly.

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    This does suck, I do get decants from ebay a lot...but at least we still have the basenotes sell/swap board, right?
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    The end of civilization as we know it...

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    Before we start getting depressed and sink into perfume gloom, has there been an official announcement made regarding this ?
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    Default Re: Ebay to shut down all decant sales

    it's been coming for a long time. decants/samples will still be sold directly/indirectly via ebay or somewhere else. people will often just have to go about it more circuitously.

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    Default Re: Ebay to shut down all decant sales

    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    Before we start getting depressed and sink into perfume gloom, has there been an official announcement made regarding this ?
    Well, I've read several threads on MUA and a few people have spoken with some of the larger decant sellers, one of which was Nancy from Fishbone and they have confirmed that this is true. I however have yet to hear it from the horses mouth so I am hoping this is all one huge ghastly rumor. Not looking good though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CologneJunkie View Post
    This does suck, I do get decants from ebay a lot...but at least we still have the basenotes sell/swap board, right?

    Yes...thank God we have this wonderful community. I love me some Basenotes.
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    Hmmmm, what's the big deal? With BN and MUA, you can still get decants...I'm not getting the dilemna.

    I concur with Pluran, it has been a long time coming.

    Furthermore, have you ever considered that BN and MUA may be sued for selling decants?...this is also coming.

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    Just as long as I can get my Green Frch Tweed. Thank you ebay, for always thinking of the buyer first.

    Not a laywer here, but I don't see the legal basis for prohibiting the sale of used goods. Random House can't sue me for selling used books of theirs, or selling five pages from a used book. Well, I guess the market is only free if you're a big enough player.
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    Selling a used bottle is one thing, selling decants of something under a label, for personal profit...is another.

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    Default Re: Ebay to shut down all decant sales

    Just a suggestion from me:
    Get in contact with the ebay sellers and tell them that because of this problem you would like to deal with them direct, (as a private sale). You will probably have to organise an alternative method of payment to paypal.
    The seller has the distinct advantage of not having to pay a percentage of the sale to ebay.
    Also, you can push the seller for a slight price reduction becuase of their new advantagous financial situation. !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basenotes Admin View Post
    Damn!

    can we still list decantable bottles in our wardrobe?
    Last edited by zztopp; 12th April 2007 at 09:14 AM.
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    acording to an ebay decanter I buy from, Friday is her last day. She closes her ebay store Friday night. This is rather sudden since I just purchased from her Tues. and Thurs. I get news that Fri. it's all over.
    Basenotes gives short notice to decant sellers? What's going on?
    Manufacturers don't think this is going to help their sales do they?
    were decants such a tiny fraction of niche sellers sales that they can afford to swat it away?

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    I don't get it! If you buy a bottle of perfume that means that its content becomes your property, you own it and as such you have the right to do whatever you want with that content. If you want to put that content into smaller bottles and then sell it then it should be your right to do so. Its not like software, making illegal copies and selling them...

    Soon we'll see some kind of EULA for perfumes.

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    good point luca!

    I edited this post cause I was kind of poking fun at some ebay merchants who ... are going to suffer enough with what's just being yanked out from under them.

    Anyway, all you have to do is what's done on MUA, offer stuff for swap, and if decants aren't swappable, just list bottles for swap, work everything else out privately. Of course maybe it will be like Napster when these little old ladies and high school girls were busted . . .
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    Corporations have rights in this country. We have rights. Corporations are bigger than any one of us so they have bigger rights.

    Does anyone else miss habeas corpus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thenmarcher View Post
    Selling a used bottle is one thing, selling decants of something under a label, for personal profit...is another.

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    Take a look at the ebay prohibited and restricted items list. Any used cosmetic is prohibited, it doesnt matter if it's the original bottle.

    http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/used-cosmetics.html

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    from ebay:

    Stacy opened and used lipstick and listed it on eBay. She has violated eBay policy.

    Heidi opened an eye liner but did not use it. She listed the opened but unused eye liner on eBay. Since she did not use the item, she is allowed to sell it on eBay but must disclose the item has been opened.
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    there's nothing about pouring liquid from a large bottle to a smaller bottle. Nothing about sharing. I can see the opposition to selling used cosmetics. I wouldn't buy my wife used lipstick. that's common sense. Decants are no different than a set of toys, if I break up the set and sell the pieces individually. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it impossible to sell used perfume?

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    So I take it that it is not a coincidence that Ebay and Basenotes have adopted these policies at the same time.

    Does this have anything to do with this case?
    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/03/...ss/pricing.php

    Or is this simply a matter of one or more large companies are promising legal action and this is summary compliance?

    Things like this are going to lead to new peer-to-peer models in online transactions that will be similar to fileshare networks in their decentralization and efficiency.
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    I am disappointed. No I am ANGRY .

    No explanation? No apology? Very little warning?

    What is up Grant?
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    Perhaps decanting will just expand after being driven underground.
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    PARIS (AFX) - The French competition regulator has fined LVMH, L'Oreal, PPR and other luxury perfume producers and retailers a total of 46.2 mln eur for collusion in fixing sales prices between 1997 and 2000, a move that LVMH said it would appeal.

    LVMH was fined a total of 14.4 mln eur, of which 9.4 mln was for its perfume retailer Sephora, 2.2 mln eur for Dior, 1.7 mln for Guerlain and 1.1 mln for its Kenzo and Givenchy perfume brands.

    In comments regarding its planned appeal, LVMH said the regulator 'has refused to take the demands and specifics of luxury goods distribution into consideration'.

    L'Oreal was fined 4.1 mln eur and PPR brand Yves Saint Laurent was fined 1.8 mln eur.

    L'Oreal declined to comment, and no one at PPR was available for comment.

    http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx...fx2592193.html

    According to the Commission, each of the brands entered into an agreement with its distributors, ensuring that every product was retailed at a single price, eliminating any possibility of competition amongst retailers. The biggest fines went to the three distribuotors: Marionnaud, which was fined 12.8m; Sephora, which was fined 9.4m and Nocibe, which was fined 6.2m. The Commission said that the fines reflected the gravity of the individual businesses' involvement in the cartel.
    Amongst the fragrance brands, the biggest fine went to L'Oreal, which was ordered to pay 4.2m, while Chanel and Christian Dior were ordered to pay 4.1m and 2.2m respectively, Yves Saint-Laurent 1.8m, Guerlain 1.7m and ELCO, which represents Clinique and Estee Lauder, 1.6m.
    Other leading fragrance brands that were fined included Shiseido France, Givench, Beaute Prestige, which represents Jean-Paul Gaultier and Issey Miyake, together with Kenzo Parfums.
    The Commission said that it found the fragrance companies had all entered into agreements with the national retail chains between 1997 and 2000 with the express purpose of putting a stop to any competition between retailers for each of the brands products.
    Luxury brand owner giant LVMH was hit hardest, as it owns both the Sephora retail chains, together with the four brands, Guerlain, Kenzo, Christian Dior and Givenchy.
    Although the fragrance brands have remained silent over the fines, both for legal reasons and to protect their positions, a number of vendors have spoken out against pressure to keep fragrance prices high.
    A shop in Lyons was quoted as saying of Christian Dior, the threats were clear. If we sold for more than 10 per cent under the recommended price, Dior would cut the brand out.
    The Commission referred to the price-fixing as a pricing control system that involved "checks on the prices practised, and pressure and threats of commercial retaliation against any distributor who refused to apply the prices imposed by the brand, preferring to let competition play by selling at lower prices."
    It also pointed out that although luxury brands are permitted to exercise a certain amount of control over the distribution of their products at retail outlets, the case in question had made it clear that selected distributors were not able to fix the margins, and therefore its own retail price.

    http://www.cosmeticsdesign-europe.co...n-price-fixing
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    I can't believe it's come to this. As Luca pointed out, once you have legally paid for a fragrance, it should be nothing but yours. If manufacturers think decant sales are affecting their sales, why aren't they all offering samples or decants at a decent price so customers have a way to sample a scent? It's absolutely absurd.
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    Maybe there are also some safety regulations that prevent the selling of used (opened) cosmetics... You never know what someone could pour in a bottle or mix with the fragrance.

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    Ok ebay I can deal with, but Basenotes not allowing decant sales? I'm sadly disappointed as this has been a culture and tradition here on this board. I've sold, bought, swapped decants and it is a lot of fun and lets everyone try out different fragrances. What a sad day. So are used bottles allowed? This will just lead to other boards, like Perfume Isle, etc which people will go to for decants. It's like Napster getting shut down, except I could understand why that was illegel. Did that stop people from downloading free music though?
    This calls for Decantster version 1.0
    Any computer programmers out there?

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    Can someone suggest a place we can go to "discuss" fragrances we own and may want to share "our experiences" of?

    what about a yahoo group?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hirch_duckfinder View Post
    Can someone suggest a place we can go to "discuss" fragrances we own and may want to share "our experiences" of?

    what about a yahoo group?
    Here is a site Perfume Isle that allows decant sales/swaps

    http://p075.ezboard.com/bperfumeisle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azsmells View Post
    Here is a site Perfume Isle that allows decant sales/swaps

    http://p075.ezboard.com/bperfumeisle
    Thanks.
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    On ebay UK you can sell used cosmetics.

    What I have noticed is, Germany have banned the import of any cosmetic product not in its original packaging and sealed. Quite a few ebay sellers state they can no longer supply items to Germany and this has been the case for awhile now.
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