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    Yeah, that's right, I hate this stuff. Why do you ask? Well it smells almost exactly like Millesime Imperial. It's growing more and more popular, especially among young adults and teens who are snatching it up just on name alone.

    I used to be able to go to parties in the warmer weather, wearing MI, and it would be great. Now I go out and I end up smelling Unforgivable on many many people and its just the same as MI in passing. And these aren't even your usual frat-boyesque parties, so I can imagine its use is even more prevalent out there and in clubs. So much for having a unique scent, instead of standing out, I blend in! I want nothing to do Sean John, not even mild association.

    So help me out here, I need a replacement for MI. Something unique to wear to parties and on nights out in the summer. It's sad to do this, but MI is being delegated to occasional daytime use for now, where I barely smell scents on anyone.

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    Erolfa maybe, if you want to stay in the aquatic department. Or SMW? Are you looking for a replacement that's still a Creed?

    I know you'll get a lot of responses saying that you should appreciate MI purely on its merits and wear it if you like it...forget everyone else. But Unforgivable pisses me off too. I know it's illogical, and I know that there are differences between Unforgivable and MI, and I know that MI is by far the better scent overall. But COME ON! One of the many attractions of wearing a high end niche scent is to stand out from a crowd and not have everything *think* they know what you're wearing and take it for granted. Everyone having Unforgivable doesn't defeat the purpose of wearing MI, and if I had a full bottle I'm sure I'd still wear it, but it sure makes me a lot more hesitant to spend $100+ for a bottle.
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    It doesn't have to be Creed and I have an unlimited budget, so niche is definetely in.

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    I was testing MI today, after not trying it for a while, and after a couple hours it started to smell incredible. I kept getting these sublime whiffs of fragrance every couple minutes wafting out like a gentle cloud around me. Mmmm.

    If you like MI, have you tried other Creeds? Himalaya is really nice (if it lasts on you; longevity can be fickle).

    If you really don't want to smell like everyone at the party, I'd recommend ordering some samples of niche fragrances from luckyscent.com. L'artisan Parfumeur, Parfums de Nicolai, Parfums 06130, and Montale and many other perfume houses are definitely worth experiencing.
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    I try to steer clear of the (MTV) trendy colognes. Like Sean John and Paris Hilton for men. Seriously, who would want to tell someone that they are wearing a Paris Hilton scent? Even if it smells of heaven. To me, Paris and Puffy, sorry P. Diddy, represent everything that’s wrong with contemporary American culture. Now that that’s off my chest, I also recommend Erolfa.
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    I would give Ormonde Jayne's Isfarkand a try.

    Its unique. Its versatile. Its long lasting. And it has amazing sillage.

    If you go to www.perfumeposse.com and click on "Fragrant Fripperies" on the left side of the screen, you can buy a sample or decant to try it out.

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    Default Re: F*** Unforgivable

    Creed SMW and Himalaya were what first came to my mind, as well. Great suggestions! However....Puffy's new scent, Multiplatinum or whatever the hell it's called smells a great deal like.....you guessed it.....SMW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CologneJunkie View Post
    Creed SMW and Himalaya were what first came to my mind, as well. Great suggestions! However....Puffy's new scent, Multiplatinum or whatever the hell it's called smells a great deal like.....you guessed it.....SMW.

    Are you kidding me...


    And I have Himalaya. I'll try Erolfa, but I could use suggestions out of Creed too.

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    F*** Unforgivable? F*** you!

    jk, Loves!

    Yea, I really didn't like this one either. I also didn't like MI that much so... yea, pretty much.

    I too would be embarrassed to say I was wearing a "Paris Hilton scent" if someone asked me what I was wearing.

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    I totally understand what you are getting at, and this thread makes me want to steer clear from purchasing MI for a bit, especially if Unforgivable and its spawn happen to be the scent(s) of the summer. On the other hand, GIT smells very much like Cool Water (or the other way around, really), but that doesn't stop folks from wearing the former either. The fact is, the Creed scent came first in both accounts. I would wear it knowing that.

    However, if you do wish to stand out from the rest, I would recommend Erolfa or Original Vetiver from the Creed line. Both are great scents, fresh and clean, whose quality is evident. Outside of Creed, I would try Zino Davidoff, which is a little heavier at first, but dries down incredibly. I have yet to smell this on anyone else but me. You also might want to get your hands on a sample of VdR by L'Artisan. I have not tested this one in hot weather, but it too is wonderful.

    Good luck.

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    Unforgivable is more similar to Bond no. 9 Wall Street than MI (although both seem inspired by MI).

    As an alternative, how about Bond no. 9 Hamptons, which smells like Silver Mountain Water + a marine note (or SMW layered with Erolfa).
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    Here are some other good ones to check out.

    Terre d'Hermes
    L'Artisan ~ Fou d'Asinthe
    Amouage ~ Reflection (Man)
    Carthusia ~ Uomo

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    I'm pissed off too...I still have 3/4 of bottle of MI left. I mainly wear it at home now
    I second Ormonde Jayne's Isfarkand -very sophisticated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicolas V View Post
    I totally understand what you are getting at, and this thread makes me want to steer clear from purchasing MI for a bit, especially if Unforgivable and its spawn happen to be the scent(s) of the summer. On the other hand, GIT smells very much like Cool Water (or the other way around, really), but that doesn't stop folks from wearing the former either. The fact is, the Creed scent came first in both accounts. I would wear it knowing that.

    I see the similarities that everyone talks about with GIT and Cool Water, but I find GIT so much more superior. GIT is such a very strong, green scent. Whereas, Cool Water reminds me of a floral aquatic.

    MI and Unforgivable are almost carbon copies. Unforgivable really IS MI minus the salty note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borky View Post
    Are you kidding me...


    And I have Himalaya. I'll try Erolfa, but I could use suggestions out of Creed too.
    I don't know. Checking your wardrobe I thought you weren't crazy about Orientals but you really like Muscs Ravageur and Gucci Envy

    I find Acier Aluminum and the non Creed Jaipur Boucheron higher on the macho meter than Muscs Ravageur, though similar in feel--- they are NOT Summer scents though.

    There's also a similar feel to Gucci Envy in the discontinued Signature by St. Dupont. Notice I said feel, not smell.

    Back to the heat wave:

    Before we leave Creeds altogether you might get the previously mentioned SMW before P Daddy kills its exclusivity in 1-3 years.

    Like mint? Try out Selection Verte.

    So much for Creedland. Check out the reviews on:

    Lowe para Hombre,
    CdG's Vettiveru
    Gai Mattiolo Uomo
    Signorricci
    Eau de Rochas Homme
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    Cuir d'Oranger (Miller Harris)

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    Carthusia Uomo will fit right into your wardrobe...

    Take care...

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    Unforgivable is a very cheap version of M.I. (and Bond No. 9 Wall Street).
    I had to buy a bottle to test it (over here in Germany). I never never buy this again.
    I didn´t know this smells like M.I. or Wall Street...now, everybody can get a cheap version of M.I:

    I have the same feeling about his music...commercial and fake...and believe me. I hear hip hop music since day one...

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    Default Re: F*** Unforgivable

    Anyone who is tricking themselves into mentally degrading Millesime Imperial on the behalf of Unforgivable can just send those bottles of MI right to me.

    They both smell great, and I own both. They are similar, but MI is superior imo. It doesn't matter whether girls can and would tell the difference, because they seem to love both of them. However, I have had a girl tell me that I could pick up any girl that I wanted to by simply wearing MI! That's a hell of a compliment!

    Also, I've smelled Unforgivable Multi-Platinum several times and it simply smells like a lighter version of Unforgivable. Less sour and sweet. Anyone who says this smells like Silver Mountain Water is mistaken and making assumptions. Yeah P.Diddy is a rip-off artist, and yeah, MI is obviously modeled after MI.

    However, if you are still not convinced that MI is a keeper, regardless of current trends, and would like another Creed alternative, I'd also check out Erolfa, as well as Bois de Cedrat, GIT (if you haven't already), Original Santal, and Himalaya for substitutes to be used in a similar setting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    Anyone who says this smells like Silver Mountain Water is mistaken and making assumptions. Yeah P.Diddy is a rip-off artist, and yeah, MI is obviously modeled after MI.
    *Shrug* I said that, & I honestly got some similarity between the two. They're not exact copies (like MI & Unforgivable) but my nose detected some similarity between Multiplatinum & SMW. Of course, my nose also detects similarity between MI & SMW...

    Anyways, I don't think I'm "making assumptions" because my nose tells me something different from yours.
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    I knew I was going to get jumped on for that one! I should know better than to make generalizations here!

    Anyway, from what I understand, the Multi-Platinum was created to simply be a lighter version of the regular Unforgivable. That's what the SAs say anyway. I have to agree with them. You still get that watermelon citrus marine accord, but its just less sweet and sour. I also detected a leather-like note in Unforgivable that I didn't pick up in the new one.

    Silver mountain water is in the same category, imo, so I'll give you that, but it stands on it's own with its whole alien-fruit thing. I guess what I mean is that I don't think Multi-Platinum is any more like SMW than Unf.

    And they're not EXACT copies... Not trying to stir things up, I just own both and know them both well enough. I could distinguish between the two blindfolded pretty easily. Unf is more tart, sour and citrusy, MI is more of a fresh, briney marine. I mentioned the thing about making assumptions moreso in regard to people who actually haven't tried it yet and would just write off Puffy as a rip-off artist. (which he is ) As if he were simply trying to copy SMW with Multi-Plat.

    I totally understand why he would do such a thing (release a MI-alike)...I mean, it is a kick ass scent, the likes of which were not available for less than the Creed price tag until he did so. It makes sense: produce a less expensive version of something great and use your popularity to sell it. Can you blame him? I think Unf was just a bit too strong for some people, so they toned it down a bit and made it "safer" for mass-consumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    I knew I was going to get jumped on for that one! I should know better than to make generalizations here!
    I wasn't intending to "jump on" you, just stating my opinion . And for what it's worth, I didn't really give Multiplatinum a long & thought-out sniff. I just sprayed the strip, & the resulting smell reminded me of SMW.

    And yeah, it is understandable that he'd release a MI-smell-alike. According to those lists of what celebs like which Creeds, apparently Puffy wears MI. I don't really understand, though, why he'd release a "watered down" version of Unforgiveable. From what I understand the original is a popular scent among the target consumers.
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    Between you and me (and the hundreds of other people reading), I think Unforgivable tends to get a bit more sour and cloying as it ages. I bought a bottle new, shortly after it came out, and it seemed to change after about 8 months. I don't know if it neccessarily "goes off" or not, but it seemed to get a bit LESS refreshing over time. A bit darker somehow. Maybe MP is supposed to remedy this...that's what I'd guess. Then again, I might be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    Between you and me (and the hundreds of other people reading), I think Unforgivable tends to get a bit more sour and cloying as it ages. I bought a bottle new, shortly after it came out, and it seemed to change after about 8 months. I don't know if it neccessarily "goes off" or not, but it seemed to get a bit LESS refreshing over time. A bit darker somehow. Maybe MP is supposed to remedy this...that's what I'd guess. Then again, I might be wrong.
    Perhaps. It makes me wonder, though, why people are so rushed to produce SOMETHING that the original ends up missing the mark, & they end up "fixing" it later on down the line anyway spending a lot more than if they would've "perfected" the original juice before launch. Kind of like what happened w/ Ralph Lauren's Polo Black/Double Black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    And they're not EXACT copies... Not trying to stir things up, I just own both and know them both well enough. I could distinguish between the two blindfolded pretty easily. Unf is more tart, sour and citrusy, MI is more of a fresh, briney marine. I mentioned the thing about making assumptions moreso in regard to people who actually haven't tried it yet and would just write off Puffy as a rip-off artist. (which he is ) As if he were simply trying to copy SMW with Multi-Plat.

    No, they aren't exact copies. The topnotes are very, very close, but you're right. Unforgivable is more sour and...I don't want to say soapy...I guess less rich to me. The topnotes of MI almost feel thick when entering my nostrils. Unforgivable is a bit more transparent.

    And like you said, the drydowns really set the two apart. Unforgivable can't touch MI's heavenly salty/ambergris aquatic accord, which, to me, really blindsides you after the rich/fruity opening. Unforgivable simply dries to a less compelling version of its beginnings.

    This is why I would definitely still wear MI out if I had a bottle of it...but still, knowing that for a good third of its life it's so close to another scent that the ordinary person (and even someone here on BN, if they don't have much time with it) has no chance of telling the difference deadens my enthusiasm a bit.
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    I bought the 4.2oz bottle of Unforgivable when about a year and some change ago. I still have live 95% left. I made a mistake, now I wanna sell it. Polo Double Black was a much better purchase for me.

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    i really dont care of celebrities fragances..and i hope never wear one of them....the only reason to make a celebrity perfume is make their face so popular and increase that egos .... anyway,. i hate rap.. so either that puff daddy thing....

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    Default Re: F*** Unforgivable

    Maybe its my unrefined nose, but in passing both are identical. In the real world, where you don't have time to analyze the inner workings of a scent on someone, their differences become insignificant imo.

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    Default Re: F*** Unforgivable

    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    That's what the SAs say anyway.
    I haven't met an SA yet that knew more about fragrances than me. That's really not saying much. Only the SA's in high priced stores like Nordies and Hall's know anything about their product, but that's usually limited to what they sell. Sometimes it's Creed, others it's Bond No. 9.

    I too find UMP to be similar to SMW. That's OK with me, I still get complimented like crazy on it. I don't like Unforgivable that much, nor do I like MI, so I guess that I'm done commenting in this thread.
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    Ok, this thread has inspired me to go to the mall and give UMP another test, maybe even snatch up a sample for evaluation. If we've got multiple people smelling SMW in there, then I've got to double check before I make any more under-educated claims!...Luckily, I live on the other side of the mall parking lot. I'll post my findings tomorrow.

    I think I like the packaging of the new one better too. The clear base is kind of neat.
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    Too much praise of SJ in this thread.

    I still could use some more suggestions on replacements for MI. I don't care what house.
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