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    Default Re: Lorenzo Villoresi Vetiver - what do you think about it?

    I do not know whether I have the oil, or not, but I shall give it a try. Normally essential oils are rather heavy and not really enjoyable in that form. The only exception for me is oudh.
    I came near my rosemary bush yesterday - it's the air around it that is more heavenly than the a leaf between my teeth. Also lavender oil: how far away is that from the plant which begins to smell now - weeks before the first blossoms open!

    I see this as the primary responsibility of perfumers: filling the air with smells that have temporarily been 'caged' in oils. Essential oil, diluted enough in more oil so it cannot harm me, and then applied to skin does not seem to free enough molecules per second, to really tickle my my nose. Not only that: true lucidity can be so pleasing, and perhaps you need ehtanol/alcohol to achieve that. I have some fine Indian oils with different intensities. Generally speaking, I would call them mellow, warm and soft, just as pleasant to the nose as they feel on skin. And of course, they are so reliable for hours! But you cannot expect the volatility and lightness which a cologne like L'Instant gives you for one awesome hour.

    btw: Guerlains Vetiver Ice lasts quite well indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pluran View Post
    Man, that's gotta be the most inaccurate statement I've heard on here in awhile. Longevity of the vintage juice is some of the best there is (12 hours easy), and with half the application than the new juice. Why? Among other things, an abundance of oakmoss, myrrh, as well as civet (not in the new juice) in the base of the vintage has a lot to do with it.
    The old bottle may well have those things in it but my EDT old bottle of it doesn't last as long as the EDT of the new one. It's only good for 4 or 5 hours on me, whereas I get 7 or 8 ot of the new one. I own both and have done side by side comparisons.

    I also have the EDC splash version of the old bottle which, curiously enough, even though it's not as strong smelling as the EDT old bottle, seems to last much longer than it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Ludlow View Post
    I remember it didn't last on Renato, so don't take that for granted. Anyway, I much prefer it to Guerlain. If you are interested in citrusy vetiver, this one should not be missed.
    I'm amazed that you remember that tidbit. I bought a whole bottle of Racine (together with other MPGs) because I liked it, only to find that it had very limited lasting power on me, whereas the other MPGs were very good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by viktorov View Post
    Dominguez vetiver is really weak on the vetiver. If Guerlain's Vetiver struck you as a scent with too many other ingredients, I think you don't even have to try the Dominguez one, if it is pure vetiver you're desiring. Adolfo Dominguez Vetiver Hombre is much smoother than both Villoresi and Malle. In my opinion you should go for the Vetiver extraordinaire! Good luck!
    Well, indeed, I had a chance to directly compare Adolfo Dominquez Vetiver Hombre (VH) and Malle's Vetiver Extraordinaire (VE) the night before last, and I think that viktorov pretty much captures the primary difference. These are two distinctly different scents, with Vetiver Hombre being the outlier. VE smells similar to many other "raw", "earthy" vetiver scents (LV, L'Artisan, Etro, and Floris spring immediately to mind), while Vetiver Hombre doesn't really smell very similar to any other vetiver scent I have ever experienced. VH is notably smooth and I perceive it as "juicy" and "fruity/floral" if that makes sense. There is a large synthetic floral component to VH that I'm guessing is the "tecnofloral" note that is listed on the rare Spanish-language olfactory pyramid for VH that can be found on the web. One source cites the notes in VH thusly:

    Topnotes: Fresh (fresca), neroli, aromatica
    Midnotes: Especiado, tecnofloral, amaderado
    Basenotes: Vetiver, leather (cuero), root (raiz), humid earth (tierra humeda), musk (almizcle)

    The dominant theme to my nose is the synthetic floral component. VH also starts off quite sweet, but becomes drier throughout its evolution.

    VE, by contrast, opens with a strong focus on a pretty pure, natural vetiver note, tempered only minimally by some spices. VE pursues a somewhat linear development to my nose, the vetiver unchanging and quite constant. After two or so hours the basenotes of oakmoss, sandalwood, and synthetic musks join the fray and accompany the vetiver to its natural end after about 7 hours.

    I much prefer the VE in this comparison. VH has about as much to do with vetiver as Mark Birley for Men does, which is to say not very much at all. I would be very interested to find out what "tecnofloral", "Especiado", and "amaderado" are in VH.
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    Let me get this straight, Guerlain recently changed the formula of their Vetiver? When did this happen, does anyone know?

    Anyone have any idea about the list of ingredients in the old juice and new?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oud Man View Post
    Let me get this straight, Guerlain recently changed the formula of their Vetiver? When did this happen, does anyone know?

    Anyone have any idea about the list of ingredients in the old juice and new?
    Well, I wouldn't call 7-8 years ago exactly recent, but I would bet the individual notes really didn't change very much, rather their use. For example, more citrus in the reformulation, which was probably done by merely increasing the concentration of those components responsible for the hesperedic notes.

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    I tried this for the first time today and it's got a resounding WOW! Unbelievable. I can't even frame a reference, for this scent - I've never smelled anything quite like this combination of darkness and elegance before.

    I am going to give this one more full wearing before I write up a review, but I am floating on air today...I am so excited about this scent. This might just replace Route du Vetiver and Vetiver Extraordinaire as my 'Favorite' vetiver.

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    Ah, yes. If the older Heathcliff, returned to Wuthering Heights with elegant suits and brooding vengeance, wore perfume, this would be it.

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    I'm so glad you like this one, Mike! It's by far my favorite vetiver and one of my favorite frags of any kind. It's one of the few scents I have that if it were ever discontinued, I'd have to buy a half dozen bottles. I love the dark earthiness and the nice smokey rosewood. Great stuff. I can't imagine how anyone could have longevity issues with this one. It lasts forever on me (as do all of the LVs).

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    I am so happy to see so many basenoters disovering LV Vetiver. Along with TonyPrince, I felt like a voice in the wilderness about LV Vetiver when singing its praises last year. It is raw, green and damp earth, roots and all vetiver. Wonderfully blended! You have to be in the mood for it though because it carries such a serious attutude. If your not in the mood for a grounding scent rather than an uplfiting vetiver, it will pull you down a little. The closest other fragrances to LV vetiver I've tried are Vetiver Extraordinaire and French Lover / Bois d' Orage but neither hit the earthiness that LV does. I have also found LV Vetiver is a great grounding agent when used in layers with Rive Gauche. Sort of brings out the earthy vetiver drydown of RG which has too much spice up front, IMO.

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    I love this Vetiver, always appropriate, classy an calming. It has the most divine bergamot note too.
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    It's too beautiful. I can't wear it in public. Don't get me wrong, it's not that it's too polite, if you know what I mean. Oh no. It's a raw, pure, slightly brutal scent. I cannot concentrate on anything when I'm wearing it. I went shopping w/ my family and friends, they had a discussion and I was asked a question, and I was like, 'ha? sorry I wasn't listening'. From now on I am wearing LV vetiver only while contemplating at home alone. I swear it's the best one ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vukoicicd View Post
    It's too beautiful. I can't wear it in public. Don't get me wrong, it's not that it's too polite, if you know what I mean. Oh no. It's a raw, pure, slightly brutal scent. I cannot concentrate on anything when I'm wearing it. I went shopping w/ my family and friends, they had a discussion and I was asked a question, and I was like, 'ha? sorry I wasn't listening'. From now on I am wearing LV vetiver only while contemplating at home alone. I swear it's the best one ever.
    Thanks for your response to my almost-Stone-Age-thread. Funny thing is: I wore Villoresi's Vetiver today for a few hours. I desperately wish it would be the "brutal", butch scent you and others talk about. On me it is - rather shy, understated.
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    Great thread. I put some on at galerie lafayette today ,around 9 hours ago and it's still present , strongly. One of my favorite vetivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesGrieux View Post
    Thanks for your response to my almost-Stone-Age-thread. Funny thing is: I wore Villoresi's Vetiver today for a few hours. I desperately wish it would be the "brutal", butch scent you and others talk about. On me it is - rather shy, understated.
    Villoresi's Vetiver is good stuff. It's a little rugged for my taste, but all his renditions are that way. His releases are like a rough carpenter who builds a cabin compared to a finish carpenter. Both cabins will be great once completed. They will be different and appeal to a different potential customer.

    His vetiver is something I enjoy wearing around the house when I'm in the mood for it. There's something to be said for frags that have this quality.

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    I see I posted to this thread a couple years agao and am happy to see I still enjoy Villoresi Vetiver as a fragrance; but I should warn people that it is not a good fragrance if you are seeking out the vetiver note. There are so many other notes in there that it could easily be named something else to reference earthiness, roots and dirt. It kind of reminds me of the smell of the waterway deep in the canals of Venice or the riverside along the river Tamar which divides Devon from Cornwall. Name it after one of these areas would be more accurate.

    Also this scent smells better at certain times of the year - fall and spring are best. In the middle of winter it kind smells like cabbage and I am not usually in the cabbage mood. But the rest of the year it evokes roots, earth, damp wooded greenery etc. It is a highly unusual fragrance and it keeps its spot in my wardrobe due to it ability to create a mood and be different.

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    buzzle, I could detect the lavendar and the patchouli. Perhaps the lavendar more than the patchouli but in an earthy lavendar not a floral one.

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    Default Re: Lorenzo Villoresi Vetiver - what do you think about it?

    I am wearing this again today, after having smelled it and posting about it above in 2008.

    Of course, since then, I have smelled/sampled/owned many other vetiver fragrances so my perceptions have shifted and my threshold has most likely increased.

    Yes, it's strong and raw and root-prominent but I also think it has a watery whiff to it, that seems to be the reason people are using the word 'wet' to describe it.

    I think it has a lot in common with Turtle Vetiver Exercise No. 1 by Les Nez that I wrote a review of back in '09 here: http://www.basenotes.net/threads/226....-1-by-Les-Nez - the Villoresi is a bit less iodine-rich and because of this 'smoothness' I can see how many of you guys feel this is elegant and sophisticated. I'm not sure I agree (I mean, if I want a 'elegant' vetiver I reach for Sycomore) but it's definitely a very dark, complex vetiver and hey not all of us can afford Djedi, right?
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