Thread: I want an ancient scent
I need a fragrance that does not smell generic.
As soon as I enter a department store, the first place I run to is the fragrance section. An avid saleswoman greets me with a spritz of something that is supposed to make my day. Bummer. It always smells like all the other 10,000 department store fragrances I've been shown before.
We like trees and greenery because our inner nature harmonizes with their nature. I want a scent that transports you like the trees do. Nothing too synthetic, too aquatic, too manufactured.
Am I the only one that feels there's something overwhelmingly generic about the department store stuff? Like the little scent folds that come in magazines. Too much about the fashion statement, and too little about the perfumer's art.
It must be expensive. I want a fragrance that a prophet would wear. Nothing technologically manufactured and reeking of pollution and traffic and global warming and hazardous waste....
Please list the one scent that you think would suit me as my ideal fragrance.
Last edited by Oud Man; 22nd May 2007 at 07:39 AM.
Just use oud oil like I do.
Very unusual, very natural, and hard to forget
I am going to keenly follow the responses of members to this thread unless it doesnt become 'just another recommendation' thread.
Well to begin with the first suggestion, i couldnt find NOTHING about it.
What is it? Where do you get it?
I could just find Alessandro. Is that what you meant?
Pluran, it would be nice if you could shed some light on it.
Last edited by gupts; 22nd May 2007 at 08:02 AM. Reason: typo
Last edited by Oud Man; 22nd May 2007 at 08:06 AM.
Czech and Speake No. 88 is certainly expensive, it's ancient, it's so very natural smelling and it really makes a statement. Without a doubt one of the most amazing fragrances I have ever smelled, check out directory for some reviews.
Please Mr. Oud Man, do not miss out on this one. You wont be dissapointed.
It's smoky, woody, resinous/coniferous. Smells like the rainforest I live in. A substantial, high quality fragrance in all respects.
Grant hasn't uploaded all the Mazzolari frags. Vetiver, Patchouli, and Lui are also excellent.
Last edited by pluran; 22nd May 2007 at 08:58 PM. Reason: V20GMid
I've tried several samples of Mazzolari's line.
Luckyscent and Italy seem to be the places to get them.
the directory shows one - Allesandro - luckyscent has 10 different fragrances for sale.
Last edited by fredricktoo; 22nd May 2007 at 08:49 AM.
Aoud Damascus by Montale, a deep dusky rose in a beautiful accord with green notes. Exudes intelligence, sensuousness, warmth, and mystery. Even the name is great.
Last edited by Sestra; 22nd May 2007 at 08:52 AM.
Creed, Royal English Leather (last reformulated 1805) - a sweet, oriental leather worn by Georges II & IV. Doing well in the current Creed poll and rightly so. Regal.
Farina Gegenüber dem Jülichsplatz (original 18th century recipe): The mother of all Eau de Colognes. For spring and summer. Néroli, rosemary, lemon, petitgrain.
Some newer ones that have nothing to do with your average massmarket fragrances:
Besides Mazzolari, I'd look into Villoresi, Lutens, Creed, Patricia de Nicolai, Divine, Floris, Penhaligon's, Trueffitt & Hill, Trumper for "craft " fragrances
Some that I love:
Lorenzo Villoresi Sandalo
Creed Bois de Santal
Lutens Santal de Mysore
Lutens Ambre Sultan
Valentino Vendetta ph
Penhaligon's Hammam Bouquet
Penhaligon's English Fern
Crown Perfumery Sandringham
Roger Gallet JM Farina
de Nicolai Cologne Sologne
de Nicolai Haute Provence
de Nicolai New York
Crown Spiced Limes
Jil Sander Man Pure
R de Capucci
Patou pour homme
II est de forts parfums pour qui toute matière/Est poreuse. On dirait qu'ils pénètrent le verre.
Eau Lente - Diptyque
I want to go out on a limb here and suggest Penhaligon's Hammam Bouquet. I think this is really knockout and it usually doesn't get considered for questions like this one, although it fits perfectly for them.
Good Life is also onto something good with his Royal English Leather suggestion.
That girl, that bottle, that mattress and me.
creed santal imperial
crown imperial cologne
creed bois de cedrat
creed royal scottish lavender
acqua di parma colonia
geo f trumper spanish leather
creed citrus bigarrade
hermes eau d'orange verte
creed royal english leather
all fashion-proof, old and thoroughly excellent (though adp is currently very fashionable).
I don't have one scent, but if you want something that smells like the outdoors, though they aren't natural at all, try CB I Hate Perfume. He makes more reality scents that smell close to the thing they should be. Black March is the earth in spring. To Smell a flower is the flower, stems, leaves, roots, dirt, everything.
I think he's a genius, not everyone agrees, but if you want something that smells completely different, he's your guy.
Wonderful suggestions! All that is, except for No.88 (sorry, Johnny)
De gustibus non est disputandum
Guerlain Vetiver (60s)
Guerlain Heritage (Formulated 1992, but an ode to the classics)
Patou Pour Homme (1980)
"You smell kinda pretty! Wanna Smell me ?"
- Johnny Bravo
Helmut Lang Cologne - very frankincensey on me. I think this is discontinued, but you might be able to find it on ebay or swap for it. The prices are relatively reasonable on ebay for this ... at least right now.
Diptyche L'Eau - a traditional pomander frag
Our third place contestant is M7. Something tells me you already have this.
Last edited by MisterK; 22nd May 2007 at 05:54 PM.
In rotation: Greenbriar (new), Silver Mountain Water, Dunhill for Men (1934), Acqua di Parma Colonia, Habit Rouge EDC, Ho Hang, B*Men, Agua Brava
Dawn Spencer Hurwitz Essence Oil Cardamom and Khyphi. Supposedly based on ancient Egyptian incense formulae, very distinct from oud, and nobody else will be wearing it.
It's not ancient, but it has it's roots in history..George Dodd's Robbie Burns for men. Smokey/peaty whisky with a green heart.
I would look into Cumming by Alan Cumming. Perfumer: Christopher Brosius, has a line of fragrances called "CB I Hate Perfume". So Cumming is not like anything I've ever tried and uses notes that you don't find in a lot of other fragrances. It is very earthy. Somewhat hard to come by, at a discount price anyway, but it can be had at: http://www.cummingthefragrance.com or on the Sephora web site.
In all matters of opinion, our adversaries are insane - Oscar Wilde
Prophets are generally poor and wouldn't use a cosmetic product that could cloud the mind. I think that perhaps, however, that philosophers could wear something like Tam Dao, by Diptyque, or even Philosykos, by Diptyque.
All of that aside, I would recommend to you a line of fragrances that may suit you perfectly. Montale. Specifically their Aoud line. You can order samples from here, and also bottles. http://www.aedes.com/brand.php?brand_id=78&cat_id=1
If you choose to order samples, go to the bottom of the page, and look for the samples link. READ the info before you click order. Near the end of the process, it will ask you to confirm your order and there will be a text box which will let you enter what samples you want in there.
Specifically from the Montale Aoud line, Black Aoud. I would recommend smelling most of the Aoud line, and you will have a chance to through their samples program, but Black Aoud is so divine and tenacious. It is a perfume, but it smells so unbelievably natural on skin that you just emanate the fragrance. Another Aoud you might like is Aoud Lime, though it is way off the charts on how much it DOESN'T smell like cologne.
Last edited by _R$_; 22nd May 2007 at 07:06 PM.
As always, disregard most of what I say. It's not worth your heart health to actually worry about what a 23 year old guy from Kansas thinks. Even if he is really ridiculously good looking.
Both Timbuktu and Voleur de Roses come to mind. Both are from L'Artisan, expensive, and (to me) have a very spiritual aspect. Not to mention, both (again, to me) are magnificent. I have worn the former to mosque on several occasions and would love to do the same with the latter, except I do not own it.
You are not your perfume.
How about Michael Storer's Monk?
Founder- Cosa Nosetra
Alternately, many early Greek philosophers actually frowned on perfumery, saying that it caused ones mind to weaken and promoted lust.
I have heard a lot about Caron's Tabac Blond. Am unable to find it anywhere in the US. Another concern regarding it is that it's labeled as a "women's fragrance"...?
Can somebody direct me to where I may find a sample?
Last edited by Oud Man; 23rd May 2007 at 03:16 AM.
Tabac Blond is very wearable for a man. Do not be concerned that it is labelled as a woman's fragrance.
For a fragrance that is not generic, I also suggest:
- Balenciaga Pour Homme
- Chanel Antaeus
- Aramis JHL
- Patou Pour Homme Prive
For Tabac Blond, I also recommend that you contact Basenotes member Buffalo_Gals
Last edited by Rockford; 23rd May 2007 at 03:59 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
However my personal experiences with Oud have ruined me for the 'Aouds'. For one, Oud is not eau de toilette, eau de parfum or cologne, but an essential oil that is distilled from an evergreen that gets bit by strange insects in the jungles of the Far East. Real Oud is not blended with other ingredients, nor is it ever diluted with anything.
In light of this, Montale's 'Aoud' is as close to Oud as Creed's Original Santal is to Sandalwood.
But this should not (and does not) prevent me from enjoying the Montales for what they are.
What really does it for me is this unmistakable ingredient that predominates in each of Montale's Aouds.
This, according to a non-connoisseur, is probably the Aoud note. It is extremely clear, distinct, and you can't miss it in each of the perfumes in this line.
To me, it is a transportation to Dubai's many Oud shops and all my memories of the Emirates. It is like flipping through a picture album and being filled with memories and wonder and recollection.
Recollection of the cheapest type of 'Oud' incense that they burn in these shops, and the whiffs of which will follow you through every shopping mall, and every perfume vendor's little corner shop.
They call it 'bukhoor' -- and rather than raw agarwood (i.e. Oud wood / incense) it is little shavings of aromatic wood which are soaked in a synthetic oil that gives a strong "Oud-like" fragrance.
And this is what Oud is in the Emirates and Saudi Arabia, where Montale got his inspiration. A popular scent, not a rare and precious essential oil.
All of this being said, we come to the third and main reason why I don't wear the Montale Aouds. They're just way too expensive for what they are.
I don't know if the Saudi Arabian company that produces that incense has a website or online shop, but you can search for it. It is called 'Al Aoud Al Arab' -- or 'Arabian Oud'. The incense I'm referring to comes in a brown wooden box; the container itself being a white semi-transparent jar that evokes Middle Eastern architecture, with a golden top.
I have resolved to pay them a visit on my next trip to Dubai or Saudi, and ask them what that oil is which they dip their incense in. I am sure that's what Montale uses in his perfumes. They smell identical to the incense.
Last edited by Oud Man; 1st July 2008 at 03:15 AM.
Well, if Oud oil is not enough - try to obtain Kolnisch Juchten by Farina Gegenuber (or Regence Parfums). It`s smoky leather, dark and oily.
I used to wear Montale Oud Cuir d`Arabie as well, just to combine this scent with oud oil.
well, Oud Man, thank you for enlightment with oud wood and oil.
As for the Montale line - I was lucky enough to met Pierre himself in his Paris boutique. He presented me his Aoud line on blotters, and give me a try of the oud oil (1 tola per 300 or 400 euro) as well. I can judge only by his words - he said that he owns agarwood plantation in Cambodja, where 20 workers grows the wood and distillates the oil. So the perfumes does contain the oil (not a chemical).
I do own oud oil too - not the best kind in a world, it came from Thailand plantations. But I`m sure it`s not diluted, as I bought it in Thailand, in the point of production.
As far as I know, there`re some `improved` oils that smells more appropriate and `perfumey` that is made specially for UAE...
Last edited by moon_fish; 23rd May 2007 at 04:44 AM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost