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    I find it hard to group many leathers - they're often stand-alones, to my nose. For example, I find that there's a clean, new leather quality that is shared between Oud Cuir d'Arabie and Tuscan Leather, and a mellow, fruity leather quality shared between Tuscan Leather and Cuiron, but Cuiron has absolutely nothing in common with Oud Cuir d'Arabie to my nose.

    It seems "leather" can come from all sorts of notes, including strikingly different ones such as oud, castoreum, birch tar, mugwort, quinolines, etc. It's hard for me to say what a "leather" note will smell like until I've sampled it.

    As an aside, I tried layering L'Arte di Gucci ( castoreum ) and Oud Cuir d'Arabie ( leather ) a few days ago, and while the combination was not good, but I really couldn't shake the impression that it smelled like I had my face in a woman's leather purse! Again, not a nice blend, but much more leathery than either of the two alone.

    I'm very curious about Aoud Leather at the moment, due to its comparisons with Tuscan Leather. I really like Tuscan Leather, it's just way too big on the raspberry for me, so I'm wondering if it's that leather minus the berry ( and plus oud is no bad thing, to be sure ).
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    Where would one say that Eau Sauvage Fraicheur Cuir falls within these classifications? Curious because it's popped up on some discounter sites and my trigger finger is itchy.

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    I've tried a bunch of leathers, and I tend to favor suede now. Of the "real" leathers, Everlast Original 1910 could smell like one of their boxing gloves. It's not animalic yet it's not "raw" nor "buttery" either. Should this kind of leather note be classified as a fourth possibility? From what I remember, it's the same leather note as in Eau Sauvage Fraicheur Cuir (I prefer EO 1910 to it, so I swapped it off).
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    The eponymous Cuiron seems to be absent from these conversations? By the way, I really have fallen under the spell of Tuscan Leather and may soon have to spring for it......
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Have any more experienced Basenoters have similar experiences with leather?
    LOL! Oh the irony! How far you have come since 2007.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    LOL! Oh the irony! How far you have come since 2007.
    Maybe Mike 2010 can answer Mike 2007's question.

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    Just so I can get a point of reference, where does Creed's Royal English Leather land in this spectrum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    Just so I can get a point of reference, where does Creed's Royal English Leather land in this spectrum?
    This is almost the definitive leather to me, as it is all about the leather note. Everything else in the fragrance is just like putting sugar in coffee -it's still coffee.

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    I was in Harrods recently and the SA at the Dior counter assured my that Eau Sauvage Fraicheur Cuir was going to be re-released in April. To be honest I think she might have been referring to some other Eau Sauvage flanker but I really hope it does make an appearance again as I've never tried it and judging by how much I adore Eau Sauvage I'm sure I'll love it.
    Delivery/postal issues mean I can't get a bottle online sent to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galamb_Borong View Post
    I'm very curious about Aoud Leather at the moment, due to its comparisons with Tuscan Leather. I really like Tuscan Leather, it's just way too big on the raspberry for me, so I'm wondering if it's that leather minus the berry ( and plus oud is no bad thing, to be sure ).
    They are almost identical but I found Aoud Leather to be a bit less harsh and more of what I expect a leather to smell like. I also found it to be be just as fruity. I remember thinking that AL was easier to wear but In the end I found them too similar to own at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean-dt View Post
    This is almost the definitive leather to me, as it is all about the leather note. Everything else in the fragrance is just like putting sugar in coffee -it's still coffee.
    I've never smelled a leather fragrance that smelled like leather. leather is a cured and preserved product. Most leather that we come into contact with...close enough to smell it...is some sort of chrome tannage. It has no smell on its own...at least not to my nose.

    Vegetable tannages tend to smell more or less with the heaviest notes coming from English and German pit tanned leathers using oak bark and/or acorn caps. And these leathers tend to smell somewhat yeasty and offensive. One wag described it as "beer hall vomit."

    Even the famous Russia leather had minimal odor until it was dressed with Birch Tar Oil.

    What we smell and associate with leather tends to be the dressings that are applied after the leather is tanned and finished. In the case of Russia leather it is the Birch Tar; in the case of English leather it is the saddlesoap.

    When we talk about what leather smells like we are really talking about what the dressings smell like...and they themselves often contain fragrances. It follows that many leather fragrances are more about the fragrances that are used in the dressings than the smell of leather itself.

    Essentially we're talking about a fragrance smelling like another fragrance.
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    When we talk about what leather smells like we are really talking about what the dressings smell like...and they themselves often contain fragrances. It follows that many leather fragrances are more about the fragrances that are used in the dressings than the smell of leather itself.

    Essentially we're talking about a fragrance smelling like another fragrance.[/QUOTE] by DWFII


    Man that's great! Ive never would have thought about that at all!
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    When we talk about what leather smells like we are really talking about what the dressings smell like...and they themselves often contain fragrances. It follows that many leather fragrances are more about the fragrances that are used in the dressings than the smell of leather itself.

    Essentially we're talking about a fragrance smelling like another fragrance.[/QUOTE]

    Thats very interesting! I would have never in A million years even thought about the chemicals giving leather that unique smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
    I've never smelled a leather fragrance that smelled like leather. leather is a cured and preserved product. Most leather that we come into contact with...close enough to smell it...is some sort of chrome tannage. It has no smell on its own...at least not to my nose.

    Vegetable tannages tend to smell more or less with the heaviest notes coming from English and German pit tanned leathers using oak bark and/or acorn caps. And these leathers tend to smell somewhat yeasty and offensive. One wag described it as "beer hall vomit."

    Even the famous Russia leather had minimal odor until it was dressed with Birch Tar Oil.

    What we smell and associate with leather tends to be the dressings that are applied after the leather is tanned and finished. In the case of Russia leather it is the Birch Tar; in the case of English leather it is the saddlesoap.

    When we talk about what leather smells like we are really talking about what the dressings smell like...and they themselves often contain fragrances. It follows that many leather fragrances are more about the fragrances that are used in the dressings than the smell of leather itself.

    Essentially we're talking about a fragrance smelling like another fragrance.
    Indeed. I was referring to the notes in perfumes that are commonly known as leather, not the smell of leather itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futami View Post
    They are almost identical but I found Aoud Leather to be a bit less harsh and more of what I expect a leather to smell like. I also found it to be be just as fruity. I remember thinking that AL was easier to wear but In the end I found them too similar to own at the same time.
    Sounds like I'm missing nothing by just owning Oud Cuir d'Arabie, then.

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    I believe futami was comparing Aoud Leather to Tuscan Leather. ACdA is a bold avant garde leather, Aoud Leather is more conventional but more wearble leather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpk View Post
    I believe futami was comparing Aoud Leather to Tuscan Leather. ACdA is a bold avant garde leather, Aoud Leather is more conventional but more wearble leather.
    My biggest objection to the Tom Ford is the enormous raspberry note I smell in it. I'm really not a fan of berry notes ( things like Love In Black are just gross to me ), and if Aoud Leather is as berry-laden as Tuscan Leather, there's no reason for me to hunt it down.
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    I can't remember a berry note. But then MPG has blueberry in many of their scents and it doesn't seem to annoy me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galamb_Borong View Post
    My biggest objection to the Tom Ford is the enormous raspberry note I smell in it. I'm really not a fan of berry notes ( things like Love In Black are just gross to me ), and if Aoud Leather is as berry-laden as Tuscan Leather, there's no reason for me to hunt it down.
    I agree--I do not think that the raspberry note is needed. I get a plum note from Cuiron--there seems to be some need to marry fruit and leather. REL has a mandarin note, for example. That said, TL is special.

    I have been wearing Elsha 1776 more and more and I gotta say, it is a great Russian leather scent--really good stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Wearing Tuscan Leather today (Tom Ford) - one of my favorite so far. This is not a review of Tuscan Leather, but instead, a reaction to a leather note that I don't think I've ever come upon until now. Up to now the leather I've experienced fell into two general categories (to my nose):

    1. Animalic leather - I've said this before, it was not necessarily the smell of musk or civet, but the smell of barnyard animals hides (when the animal is alive, not when its been skinned). Two scents that I feel this way about are: Film Noir by Ava Luxe and A.maze by People of the Labyrinths.

    2. Freshly tanned (raw smellling) leather - no animal smell, perhaps a faint industrial 'tang' to the leather note that makes it smell (to my nose) like leather chaps or leather clothing (for lack of a better word). Scents: Cuir Ottoman by Parfums D'Empire, Cuir de Russie by Chanel, and Knize Ten.

    Then there is this 'new' third one I smell in Tuscan Leather: high grade buttery fine leather. Akin to the smell of a brand new luxury automobile interior, or the smell of sticking your nose inside a new womans leather purse (a NICE woman's purse - maybe a Coach bag...) and inhaling the scent.

    I feel more drawn towards the animalic leathers I first mentioned (just cuz I like edgy scents) but Tuscan Leather's leather note has stopped me in my tracks...quite different and tenacious. Almost in an industrial way (CdG Synthetic series kind of...) but at the same time, classy. Hope that makes sense. I also thought about that new Hermes scent coming out soon, Kelly Caleche - maybe that will have this same 'high end leather goods' note in it (the smell of a Hermes bag?)

    Have any more experienced Basenoters have similar experiences with leather (no, not THOSE kind of experiences...!)?
    I wanted to bump this thread because, through my sneaking around, I came across it and found it to be a very good discussion on one of my favorite styles.

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    I prefer the tanned leather smell.

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    I for one LOVE the Raspberry note in Tuscan Leather. Its the berry note playing off the Leather that eventually made me cave to temptation and purchase a bottle. The one thing I had to get use to was the bit of ash that hits during the first few minutes. I feel some classify it as smoke, but I sence it more as a cool ash. But as the leather and berry come on strong it blends in and the ash fade for me. I also like a spray of Oud Wood with TL from time to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paradigm View Post
    I for one LOVE the Raspberry note in Tuscan Leather. Its the berry note playing off the Leather that eventually made me cave to temptation and purchase a bottle. The one thing I had to get use to was the bit of ash that hits during the first few minutes. I feel some classify it as smoke, but I sence it more as a cool ash. But as the leather and berry come on strong it blends in and the ash fade for me. I also like a spray of Oud Wood with TL from time to time.
    You will also like Charles Street by Mark Birley. This is a more subtle version of Tuscan Leather.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    You will also like Charles Street by Mark Birley. This is a more subtle version of Tuscan Leather.

    Nice, I would definatly like to sample If I run across this, Thanks!

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