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    Default Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    I love many of the Bonds including Chinatown, Little Italy, EdNY, Hamptons, but I find the newer ones so shallow and rushed. Scent of Peace is almost chemical. Where is the vision and creativity, Laurice?

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Pre Bleeker Street they weren't any better. Making copies of excisiting fragrances isn't exactely creative , is it? Just my opinion ofcourse.
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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Laurice Rahme needs to slow down the pace of fragrance releases. For example, this year alone she's launching SEVEN (!!) fragrances
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    Everyone hates Bond No 9.. blah blah.. bandwagons are fun. Everyone copies everyone, from photographers to copywriters, Fortune 500 leaders to perfumers.

    Personally, 2007's West Side is one of my favorites in my wardrobe.. I even got the big jug of it. Actually, I quite like Scent of Peace and might get it for my girlfriend. It comes across clean and light to me, with a hint of fresh grape or currant at the top. Hamptons and Fire Island don't do much for me, but I'm sure there is someone that does enjoy them.
    I'm a colognosaurus. Rawr!

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    On the one hand, Laurice Rahme is just getting the same shit that is so often flung at strong-willed business women, while on the the other hand, she's a bit unscrupulous in her use of other people's ideas. All it takes is a star shaped bottle and a vendetta against Creed.......

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    I don't know that I would ever use the word inspired when speaking of any of the Bond No. 9 fragrances. Most are good fragrances, technically speaking, one or two are excellent, some are abysmal, and most are mediocre at best.

    To get an inspired fragrance these days one needs the luxury of spending 4 to 5 years on a perfume as the great Edmond Roudnitska used to do, and one also needs a heritage. There are too many ready to order formulas out there these days. All the great perfumers of the past had an intimate knowledge of natural ingredients, mainly because of their familial connections to Grasse along with a good working knowledge of the aroma chemical industry centered in and around Grasse and in Paris. Roudnitska was no exception; he even worked for an aroma chemical company in Paris between the wars. These inspired and inspiring perfumers worked for years on the great, inspired fragrances of the past. Today it's easy to hire even renowned noses to tweak their own former creations and produced very good fragrances, but hardly inspired ones. Ready made formulas for ready made money. There's no need for insipiration.

    Two examples will illustrate my claim. Maurice Roucel's New Haarlem EDP is a reworked Rochas Man, and, actually, it isn't that much of a better fragrance than Rochas Man, when all is said and done. Le Labo's Vetiver 46 is really Marc Buxton's EDP reformulation of CdG 2 Man. If anything, the inspiration is second hand with the best Bond No. 9 fragrances and for the technically competent copies, the inspiration comes from the straightforward, unapologetic shameless reiteration and to my nose, cheapening of preexisting fragrances and their formulas. That's the way of the world.

    With regard to another New York purveyor of fragrances, Le Labo, I am surprised that no one has noticed or spoken at length of the similarities between Le Labo Vetiver 46, CdG 2 Man, and even Gucci Pour Homme, or, for that matter the similarities between Le Labo Rose 31 and The Different Company's Rose Poivree. Le Labo Labdanum reminds me of countless labdanum based accords of the power fragrances of the 1980s. I have tried all the Le Labo fragrances, and while they're all good, have excellent longevity, and clearly are quality productions, there's very little that makes one say, now that's inspired. Le Labo's revolutionary claims would be quite comical if they weren't making so much money. I find their image quite absurd. There's no difference between them and any of the other niche companies. All their connections come from the industry itself. All the fragrances are created by industry people themselves. There's no outside the industry as Le Labo claims. They are as industry as you get. Really quite comical when you think of it and exam the details.

    What do I own from the Bond No. 9 line: New Haarlem EDP and Hamptons EDP. I've tried them all, and that's it for me, so far. I try to keep an open mind. [Edit and update: I don't own these two anymore.
    After a number of wearing, I found them to be, like all the Bond No.9 fragrances I've tried, relentlessly loud and unrefined in the final instance.]

    What do I own from the Le Labo line? Nothing. I've tried them all, and that's it for me, so far. Again, I try to keep an open mind.

    I find my inspiration in less conspicous less sought after places; it's from where insipiration usually comes.

    scentemental


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    As usual, I agree with almost everything Scentemental has posted. Yes, hard work and inspiration will always trump slickness.
    With Bond 09 and Le Labo you get very slick concepts that do not hold up under the slightest bit of scrutiny.
    The proof is in the juice.
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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Nice post...
    I especially agree with the point that Vetiver 46 is a re-worked CDG 2 Man...I was thinking of posting something on that myself after re-visiting my sample the other day. Looking at the Le Labo website, you're right, the whole thing really is quite silly. I'm not going to say anything about Bond except that none of their scents have ever done much for me.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    I think I stopped sniffing after Bleecker St, which sort of reminded me of Purple Label with some caramel.

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    I have 2 Bond keepers and I've tried and owned a bunch:

    Central Park and Hamptons. Hamptons is like Creed SMW with some Sung Homme thrown in for good measure. Central Park, to my nose, is totally unique. It's probably in my top 2 or 3.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    I have enjoyed Scent of Peace and West Side the most. However, none of the fragrances WOW'd me enough to pursue a decant. That's how I am with a lot of fragrances though. I'm very picky as to what I spend my money on. I would love to walk by someone wearing Fire Island. It just smells like nothing but good memories of the beach. However, when wearing it, it began to irritate my nose after awhile. A smell would love to catch the trail of for 5 minutes and reminisce but past that I think it would just start to annoy me.

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    Same here...I have 2 Bonds that I will keep permanently. I have tried them all and have owned at least six.

    Bleecker Street
    Wall Street


    Get tons of compliments on both and their longevity is amazing for me.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Scentementals analysis is spot on and makes perfect sense: the "off the shelf" componentization market mechanic was adopted by other industries way before the perfume industry hit it big.

    I am recently Bond no.9-vorced...however I might hook up with Little Italy or Riverside Drive soon even though uber original they are not. I should say that next to my Creed, Guerlain, Caron and Chanel bottles, the Bond no. 9 bottles look a little fruity and anaemic ..
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    Hello scentemental,

    I admire and look forward to your informative commentaries on fragrance. Would you please give examples of inspirering fragrances created within the last five years, if there are any. Also, are you familiar with Profumum's Ambre Aurea, and if so what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nattygold View Post
    Hello scentemental,

    I admire and look forward to your informative commentaries on fragrance. Would you please give examples of inspirering fragrances created within the last five years, if there are any. Also, are you familiar with Profumum's Ambre Aurea, and if so what do you think?


    Thanks for your kind words nattygold. They're very much appreciate. I don't have the time right now for a long response. I'd have to think about the idea of "inspired" a little more before I came up with a detailed answer, but without doubt one fragrance I don't have to think about is Dior Homme. It will take its rightful place in fragrance history as a nonpareil and a classic. There's no doubt in my mind. Let me give your question some more thought when I have some more time, and I will post again.

    scentemental

    P.S. Thanks also to Ruggles and zztopp for agreeing with me. That's always nice.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrd4t View Post
    Everyone hates Bond No 9.. blah blah.. bandwagons are fun. Everyone copies everyone, from photographers to copywriters, Fortune 500 leaders to perfumers.

    Personally, 2007's West Side is one of my favorites in my wardrobe.. I even got the big jug of it. Actually, I quite like Scent of Peace and might get it for my girlfriend. It comes across clean and light to me, with a hint of fresh grape or currant at the top. Hamptons and Fire Island don't do much for me, but I'm sure there is someone that does enjoy them.
    Word up. Find what you need, leave the rest. ("Leave the gun, take the cannoli.")
    All this in depth talk about image, ready to bottle mixes, and excellent advertising really kind of blows past me. I just like Bleecker Street. That's all there is to it. (EDIT - And Chinatown)
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    Quote Originally Posted by _R$_ View Post
    Word up. Find what you need, leave the rest. ("Leave the gun, take the cannoli.")
    All this in depth talk about image, ready to bottle mixes, and excellent advertising really kind of blows past me. I just like Bleecker Street. That's all there is to it. (EDIT - And Chinatown)
    - Rich

    My apologies Rich. I'll be sure to keep things shallow and superficial next time. I agree. What the board needs is more threads where we all tell each other what we like and what we don't like. You're right; that's all there is to it.

    scentemental

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    It is one thing to just like a fragrance. Rich and I both agree that we just like Bleecker Street. Simply put, it smells good to us.
    But we all should embrace and be thankful for posters like scentemental. He spends alot of energy and time sharing his knowledge and insight with other posters on this forum about fragrance and the industry with a style that is eloquent. I for one have learned something from every post of his and am thankful that he posts here. I have learned much from him...so cheers to putting on the tank and diving under the surface to greater depth instead of just skimming the surface with a snorkel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post
    My apologies Rich. I'll be sure to keep things shallow and superficial next time. I agree. What the board needs is more threads where we all tell each other what we like and what we don't like. You're right; that's all there is to it.

    scentemental

    I think all he was trying to say is that he doesn't get caught up in all the poo slinging that goes on over insignificant things. He's simply saying he enjoys the fragrances that he enjoys and doesn't let all the petty attacks influence his decision, including sarcastic replies. I don't think anyone was directing their thoughts on your post. I quite enjoyed your post and liked the points you made.
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    Not only can he articulate his ideas, quite unlike me, he has the best looking Chihuahuas (I assume they're his) around !
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrd4t View Post
    I think all he was trying to say is that he doesn't get caught up in all the poo slinging that goes on over insignificant things. He's simply saying he enjoys the fragrances that he enjoys and doesn't let all the petty attacks influence his decision... including your sarcastic remarks.
    Well if that's that case then I owe Rich a huge apology, which I tendered wholeheartedly.

    My apologies Rich for misinterpreting your comments.

    Best regards,

    scentemental

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    Blast.. you quoted me before I could take some of the curtness out of my post
    I'm a colognosaurus. Rawr!

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Quote Originally Posted by jrd4t View Post
    Blast.. you quoted me before I could take some of the curtness out of my post
    Don't worry about. No problem or hard feelings at all on my part. The impulse to defend a friend wrongly attacked is a noble one. I can't hold that against you.

    scentemental

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    Not only can he articulate his ideas, quite unlike me, he has the best looking Chihuahuas (I assume they're his) around !
    Yep, they're my Chihuahuas, and they're absolutely the most wonderful companions. Thanks Ruggles. Anyone who says a kind word about my Chihuahuas is a friend of mine.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    I agree with JWS and Rich. Bleecker St. smells great, exhibits good longevity, and has interesting changes over the course of a day's wearing. Despite the similarities Bleecker Street shares with Ralph Lauren Purple Label, I prefer Bleecker Street. I also prefer New Haarlem to its oft compared counterpart, Rochas Man. West Side and Fire Island are two Bond scents from the post-Bleecker era that I happen to appreciate. I love the way West Side calms and comforts and Fire Island is summer fun in a bottle. Although Fire Island and West Side are not tooth-rattlingly clever nor strikingly original and inspired, I can appreciate both and understand why others feel compelled to own them.

    I also concur with scentemental and others who find that the Le Labo line has obvious comparisons to other scents. Furthermore, Le Labo has many miles to go before they are as strikingly original as they seem to want. However, I often prefer the Le Labo offering to their comparable ilk and I am also willing succumb to Le Labo's outlandish pricing scheme. If a fool and his money are soon parted, I admit I am a fool for Le Labo. Rose 31, Patchouli 24, Neroli 36, Bergamote 22, and Vetiver 46 are among some of the most pleasurable and wearable fragrances I have ever worn.

    Regarding lack of inspiration and originality, both are pandemic in most all creative endeavors. Each success leads to many imitators and blatant copies. Musicians, writers, cooks, sculptors, perfumers, designers and various creative minds often rework, rewrite, retouch a past successful creation from their own efforts, or the efforts of others, in an attempt to create something new. Although lacking in originality, some of these unoriginal, uninspired byproducts are worthy of some praise and eventually find a few admirers.

    When it comes to matters of personal taste, there is no right or wrong, correct or incorrect. Keep in mind, that "truth in advertising" is an oxymoron. Think for yourself, decide for yourself, and wear what you feel is right for you.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Let me put it this way:
    I'm the kind of guy that will only go SO FAR before I've decided that I like something. If it happens to have some similarities to other fragrances, well, that's too bad, I smell fabulous. I leave the in depth analysis to guys like scenteMENTAL (haha, just kidding), because I have no desire to go any deeper than I already have. Besides, he's way better at it, and obviously harbors more of an interest in the subject.

    Metaphor:

    As a surfer, I will surf the 4-7 footers with pleasure, because I'm simply happy to be out on the ocean, enjoying the sun and surf. Scentemental, who has surfed for far longer, wants to ride mostly big waves because he tires of the laid back feel of the smaller waves. He scrutinizes each and every wave with infallible precision and patience, and will not be afraid to tell anyone why he passed on the 8 footer:
    "There was a 12 footer right behind it chum."
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    As always, disregard most of what I say. It's not worth your heart health to actually worry about what a 23 year old guy from Kansas thinks. Even if he is really ridiculously good looking.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    I am too new to this obsession to offer any deep thought to any of the scents I own so I too thank those that can and do do that.:wave:

    I have only two Bond 9s; Great Jones and New Harlem and I love them both in fact, I have both layered on as I key this. I swapped for them 'blind' and am happy I got them. My only regret is that they don't last long enough but I'll live with that negative.

    Forgot to add that their caps fit(at least the two I have are this way.) way too loosely which takes away from the 'cute' bottle.


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    I think I agree that all the Bond no. 9's since Bleeker St. have been uninspiring . . . at least to me. It is a subjective experience and I respect other views. I own two Bond's: like Jock w/scents I have Bleeker St. and Wall St. and I like them both very much. Most of the Bond fragrances seem to be a rush to market with a fragrance and often they seem to be missing the mark somehow.

    Mostly in response to Scentimental's post -

    I do have to agree with Scentimental's assessment of Bond no. 9 and his rant about fragrance houses copying others is a valid comment. But copying anothers deisgn is the sincerest form of flattery - right? Most creative endeavors are in fact built on the work that has gone before them so we see creative copying with improvements in all kinds of product designs. That's just how things get done. Build a better mouse trap, etc, but it's still a mouse trap. When somebody finds an original big hit in fragrance profile such as Musc Ravageur, L'Air Du Desert Morocain, or Borneo 1834, it is natural for perfumers to say "wow look at what they tried, and it works! Maybe I can take the same road and improve on it!" So many of these have been emulated in new designs that came after. This form of derivitave product design and improvement of what has succeeded before happens more than we realize. The trick is to improve upon the original enough so that something really new does come out of the process. And so we see lots of knock offs, but the best contain subtle improvements and often evolve to something really different and evade the criticism of being a "knock off".

    I don't see the similarity between Le Labo and Bond no. 9 at all. Sorry Scentimental, but it just sounds to me like you don't like Le Labo for some reason. Bond created their entire line be mimicking Creed initially and then a selection of other fragrances in the industry. Some were improvements, but most were not. But Le Labo has not taken this strategy with their 12 fragrances. All of them smell very original and quite unique to me - with the lone exception of Vetiver 46. I think Le Labo has improved upon those that are similar and came before their fragrances. Although Vetiver 46 (which I prefer to 2 Man) is so close to the CDG 2 Man that the primary improvement is that LL's bottle actually stands up on the shelf! I don't think Rose 31 is similar at all to Rose Poivre - and if that was their inspiration they changed it so much as to not resemble RP. I don't see any other knock offs in their line at all. But, when you see how closely the vetiver 46 is to Man 2 it causes suspicion of the rest of the group. But, I don't see any other copies there.

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    Dan,

    I'm glad you're enjoying that Great Jones. That's one I'd like to have back!!

    Oh well........

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    In any sort of art form (whether it be music, writing, painting or, yes, even perfumery) there are innovators and there are imitators. For some reason most people tend to overvalue innovation and undervalue the imitation. Innovators often stumble upon or work out great new ideas, but don't really craft them into the potential masterpiece of craftsmanship - they're too busy trying to get the next idea out of their head. It's when legions of imitators take that innovator's idea and run with it, stretching it, playing with it, trying to 'perfect' it, that you get some really great art. I think both parties are crucial to the advancement of art - and in this particular case - the betterment of the world of fragrance.

    I haven't smelled many Bond no9s, I only own Riverside Drive - which is nice enough.... but I'll echo Michael (sloan) and his comments regarding Le Labo - they have blown me away in every instance I've had to try them. If their art is imitation rather than innovation, well let's just say they've perfected the rough sketches of the originals and turned them into masterpieces.

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    Default Re: Is it me or are all the Bond No. 9 frags post Bleeker Street so uninspired?

    Regarding the Le labos:

    Except for the minute oudh note in Rose 31, I find it to be quite similar to Rose Poivre if not exactly the same. The Vetiver 46 and CdG Man comparison is even more striking. I haven't tried Le Labdanum. 2/3... nicely made fragrances, but the innovation factor isn't high. Le labo certainly doesn't blow me away...infact I prefer the Bond no.9 line to Le Labo.

    Most of the times one needs to have extensive experience with fragrances (which Scentemental certainly has) to spot the similarities/copies/inspirations. For example, I would be more impressed with Cuir Mauresque if I didnt have experience with Tabac Blond. In the end, you just buy what you like, an extra oudh note or not.
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