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    Quote Originally Posted by EnvYuS View Post
    Amen! I had a decant of Wall Street for a long time and it just did not seem worth getting a whole bottle for the price it costs. I only really like New Harlem. Otherwise this line is just not all that great to me. I saw a bunch of people who agreed.

    I don't agree, however, that L'Artisan is overrated. Maybe because I am such a fanatic when it comes to this line but I know that these scents are in almost everyones wardrobe and are absolutely gold. Just me though.
    I have to say that I detest the Bond bottles...even if I loved one of the scents (which I don't), I think I'd be hesitant to spend all that cash to get such an ugly bottle! Probably the only case that I'd RATHER have a decant! Irrelevant I guess, because I've yet to try one of their scents that's moved me.

    I agree that L'Artisan deserves all the praise it gets...with such a huge, diverse offering, they really make something for everyone. I can sympathize with their pricepoint being a bit high for some though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigrushka View Post
    The problem with the terms "overrated" and "underrated" is that they are basically saying that "anyone who does not agree with me (or doesn't share my taste) is wrong. [...]
    I am afraid this is an interpretation, you do not share with many, dear Tigrushka

    Like it, or not, we have been living with ratings for a while now, and rating systems are even popular and used strategically in the commercial world. Stock, credit, employees, movies, music, performers, and also perfumes are rated on a current basis. But only few rating systems are objective, and it belongs to the nature of such systems that ratings can only statistically be correct. Polls are sometimes subject to manipulation. And good old Chanel (as the best known example) wouldn't be the same today was there not a huge team of highly paid marketing pros in it's back! I think we can all see that. - Now can there be more precise terms than over-/underrated to express anybodies disagreement with public ratings and managed opinions? If ratings are subjective - why must I try to be objective criticizing them? Anyhow, the terms you want to dismiss are used in the real world daily, and I read little criticism about their use elsewhere.

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    Underrated:
    Caswell-Massey
    Hermes
    Guerlain (I know the house receives a lot of accolades but not enough for me! )

    Overrated:
    Bond No. 9
    Annick Goutal
    Dolce & Gabbana
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    Oh, hear, hear!
    Underrated: Les Parfums de Rosine and Santa Maria Novella.
    I agree.

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    Overrated:

    Creed (ducks and covers)
    Bond #9
    Dior after about 1990 (ducks again)
    Everything I've smelled from Tom Ford (dodges flying tomato)
    Armani
    Calvin Klein

    Underrated:

    Maitre Parfumeur et Gantier
    Divine
    Lorenzo Villoresi
    Mazzolari
    Santa Maria Novella
    Ayala Moriel
    Mona di Orio
    Parfums Delrae

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    I think most people here have their own view of "ratings" for perfume and do not take the viewpoint of magazine people who have a vested interest in attracting advertisements too seriously. Most perfume reviews that I've seen in magazines are a superficial list of notes with careful and glossy pictures to project an image and few say anything like "save your money and look elsewhere" or look to compare one scent with another. On websites where people take fragrance very seriously there are some ratings, but again some websites accept ads so I would question thrilling reviews. There is no "consumer's reports" for fragrance where unbiased testers check for a variety of performance details.

    And I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested that people who disagree with our perceptions are wrong, just different.

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    This thread went from a fun rant to philisophical jibber jabber.

    ...I'm just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofresh View Post
    This thread went from a fun rant to philisophical jibber jabber.

    ...I'm just sayin'.
    I agree, and I also agree that Calvin Klein's stuff is very overrated and I think the Rosine and MPG lines probably do not get the attention they deserve.

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    Overrated: D&G, Paul Smith, Diesel, L'Artisan

    Underrated: ST Dupont, Paul & Joe, Rancé 1795

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    Default Re: Overrated and underrated perfume houses

    Quote Originally Posted by sofresh View Post
    This thread went from a fun rant to philisophical jibber jabber.

    ...I'm just sayin'.
    That would be philosophical jibber jabber.

    On Finnish music forums there have been many debates about the use of the terms overrated and underrated, and about the only type who uses them there is a juvenile ignoramus who knows only heavy metal music and action films and calls anything outside those genres (for esample the likes of The Beatles and Citizen Kane) "overrated".

    But please rant away. Some houses indeed do get more attention than others, and it isn't always only about the amount of marketing.
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    I would add Gres as underrated. Cabotine is sold here in Switzerland for a penny and completely ignored - the scent is fabulous and I am suprised with too low attention paid to this brand. Just my opinion.
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    Underrated:

    Many Coty scents; L'origan and L'aimant for example, as well as Emeraude, but that is more widely available. Also the Balmains and whatever happened to Diorella?

    Laurence Dumont line (sold at Sephora). Reasonable and wonderful.

    Jovan Fresh Patchouli - get it at Walmart if you like a nice patchouli that's not too overwhelming.

    Overrated(and I know I shall be called a philistine):
    Malle's Noir epices and Parfum de Therese. I got these two as samples and in my perception have smelled them in other, cheaper incarnations.
    And they don't last on me.

    Comptoir Sud Pacifique - nice vanilla-y fragrances but they disappear way too quickly for
    the prices they charge.

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    I think B&BW has been coming out with some really nice edt's lately, they seem very underrated and underappreciated on the boards, but not in public. Since I see so many praises about Parfums de Nicolai and the Rosines, I wouldn't say they are underappreciated among us, but they should be more popular and widely available considering how nice they are. It's hard to believe the junk we get forced on us at our basic dept store perfume counters and what gets left out.

    I do like Chantilly, found at WalMart. I was thinking about getting another bottle, wore it in school. I don't think Chanel is over rated, since my whole family wears it and they lived in Paris and Italy and can buy anything they want. Everyone has something different, I wear Gardenia. My stepfather wears Drakkar Noir, I'm looking for something for him for Christmas to see if he likes it better. You can find plenty of that in the Dept store here, along with Calvin Klein & Tommy Bahama.
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    Jovan Fresh Patchouli, found a bottle in a Miami WalMart and it is just a mind-blowingly lovely green patch. Wow! Just had to chime in on that one....
    L'Erbolario of Italy gets no attention whatsoever and yes, they're hard to find outside Italy, but boy do they have some nice, reasonably priced scents. Their Myrrh is the best I've ever smelled, and I really love myrrh.

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    Overrrated / over-exposed:
    Jean Paul Gaultier
    Chanel - the most available ones, you know who they are
    Givenchy
    Calvin Klein
    Alexander McQueen
    and almost all other designers, with notable exception of Dior & YSL
    edit: and Bond - what's it all about? I like neither the frags not the bottles. Good idea badly executed..

    Underrated/under-exposed, especially in the UK:
    Patricia de Nicolai
    Etro
    Montales
    Mona di Orio - but I want to keep her to myself a while longer

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    Selfishly, I am happy for some of my favourites to be under-exposed. They remain my private suppliers, and I don't want to wear what is easily available everywhere. I have a rlue of thumb that I won't wear what can be bought at Boots the chemist. Not because they don't sell quality (though the majority is poor stuff) but because everyone else is wearing them or they are easily identifiable. I simply prefer something less ubiquitous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by purplebird7 View Post
    This reminds me of a question in a different, recent, post regarding "iconic" scents in each fragrance house.

    I could say that Chanel is overrated, but it is only because stores mostly carry No. 5, Coco Mademoiselle, and Chance (and sometimes Coco.) If they put Bois des Ilse and Cuir de Russie on the shelf, I would reconsider. Even No. 19 has disappeared from all but one store in my city. There are no Chanel boutiques anywhere near here--or near most American cities, for that matter. (Les Exclusifs? What Les Exclusifs?)
    So, I give Chanel the overrated award for poor marketing.

    Underrated fragrance house? Madini. Unadorned roll-on bottles, inexpensive oil-based pure parfum, kick-butt staying power, formulas that have the courage to be different. I'm wearing Musk Gazelle right now. All I can say is, "Oh, wow."

    Underrated on this forum? Ayala Moriel. I know that some people question the high prices and low sillage of all-naturals, but her fragrances are beautiful creations. I have tried almost all of her line by now, and I know this for a fact. Some of them are absolutely breathtaking. The fresh, open, fragrance is what botanical aroma ingredients really smell like. Sure, synthetic aromachemicals are potent, dramatic, and can fill a room with fragrance for a low price. But don't you want to know what real things smell like? I do. And I have to say, I prefer the way they smell, even if I don't trail sillage like a high-powered motorboat. I just quietly sniff my own wrists and smile. I love them, I truly do.
    I second MADINI, as abysmally underrated. Or, a best-kept secret!:-)

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    In any case,

    Overrated: Creed, L'artisan

    Underrated: Comme des Garcons

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    Overrated: Creed. Pretentious royal wannabes, probably the most vulgar marketing strategy I've seen anywhere for a long time. Can't even do quality control right so they pretend they're "all natural" and tell people it's like wine vintages. Whatever. And they sell at the most ridiculous mark-up (I've heard one very well-informed BNer mention that Creed testers cost 15 bucks each at wholesale price).

    Underrated: Parfums d'Empire, Heeley

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    Yes I agree that Creed's overrated. Must go check out Madini....

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    Overrated:

    Armani Prive
    Bond #9
    Caron post-Groupe Ales/Richard Fraysse (1998-today)
    Christian Clive
    Creed
    Parfums Delrae
    Tom Ford
    Parfums de Rosine
    Annick Goutal
    Jar
    Montale
    Mona di Orio
    Lorenzo Villoresi
    By Kilian
    Etat Libre d 'Orange


    Underrated:

    Jean Patou
    Gobin Daude
    Parfumerie Generale

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    For me, Creeds are basically overrated and Yves Rocher underrated.

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    I agree that Creed is overrated. Either that, or I simply "don't get it"

    Coty is underrated, but that is to be expected from a Wild Musk girl.
    I also think I have *personally* underrated Estee Lauder. What a treasure that line has turned out to be!

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    Underrated: Parfums de Nicolai

    Overrated: Ormonde Jayne, Bond

    Actually, most great houses have overrated duds that slide by on their names. Serge Lutens particularly comes to mind.

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    Overrated;
    Bond No 9
    Lutens
    l'Artisan
    Creed
    Malle
    Tom Ford
    and, as much as my heart breaks to say it, at this point in time, Guerlain

    Underrated:
    Lancome (the classics)
    Fragonard
    Leonard
    Estee Lauder
    Rochas
    Molinard
    Cacharel
    Quand on boit l'eau, il faut penser ŕ sa source

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    Overrated: Well, definitely Serge Lutens because I can't imagine any house getting that much adulation and NOT being overrated.

    Underrated: Parfum d'Empire comes to mind. Yes, people single out a couple of fragrances but not the house itself, which hasn't inundated us with many releases but instead has focused on a small number of very different and uniquely-conceived fragrances, that are on the whole very well-executed.

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    Overrated:

    Penhaligon's
    L'Artisan
    Creed
    Goutal
    Bond #9
    Dior (the contemporary fragrances)
    Armani Privé
    Etro

    Underrated:

    Patricia de Nicolai
    Estée Lauder
    Caron
    Rochas
    Yves Rocher (some of their scents are really nice)
    Lancome
    Last edited by Fragranza; 14th May 2008 at 12:37 PM.

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    Bond is way overrated. Last time I was at Saks, the employee had a cheat sheet that compared all of the Bond line to the Creed line. That's funny and yet oh so sad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeOlive View Post
    Under-exposed:

    I am always annoyed when large Department stores have only a few Guerlains [...]

    [...]
    Caron
    Yes, I do believe both are sorely underrepresented where I live. No Caron to speak of, and really no classic Guerlain except Shalimar & Vetiver (Though Sephora has Aqua Allegorias, Insolence, L'Instant, etc.).
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    Overrated:
    Creed (although I like Fleurissimo a lot)
    Bond No. 9
    Caron ...they look lovely in the boutiques but so many have been poorly refumulated and I feel like the house lives on former glory.

    Underrated:
    Jean Patou
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    I have to agree that Creed is generally overrated.
    I think Lalique is criminally underrated.

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