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    Question Dangerous scents.......?

    Some scents (in fact many....)contents chemical poison.I was reading on a Greenpeace website and they named some populair brands using wrong chemical ingredients.I was shocked because they named some
    scents wiich I used a lot last years.As an example they named the products from Mugler absolute safe.
    Eternity for instance is made with very wrong stuff.What's your opinion about this sort of information?Because many of us are heavy users its something too think about I guess......

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    Pure rubbish IMO!


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    Ridiculous protectionist rubbish from increasingly nanny-states.

    There's someone allergic to practically any chemical (natural OR synthetic).

    On a totally different note, I have similar problems with governments prescribing what we can and can't put into our mouths (barring addictive substances that circumvent rationality).

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    Hahahaha! The fools will never know that they're actually hurting themselves when they spray on Angel! Hahahaha! Ignore that rash, it won't go away!
    - Rich
    As always, disregard most of what I say. It's not worth your heart health to actually worry about what a 23 year old guy from Kansas thinks. Even if he is really ridiculously good looking.

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    I find it fascinating that people would reject useful information. Thanks for the tip, sniff.

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    Typical Greenpeace politically correct "info".

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    I know plenty of people who are allergic to many ingredients in "natural" perfumes, including orange and patchouli. I just want to smell good. If Serge Luten is going to kill me, bring it on! What a way to go!LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeFromManhattan View Post
    Typical Greenpeace politically correct "info".
    exactly...you cant believe everything you read. Especially from this organization.

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    There's always a risk when putting something on, or in, one's body. Just a few that come to mind:
    • Drugs (prescription or over-the-counter)
    • Natural supplements
    • Preservatives
    • Antibiotics
    • Alcoholic beverages
    • Food
    • Water
    • Air
    It's the level of risk that's important, which is based on more than just the ingredient list, imo.

    At least I don't ride my motorcyle without a helmet. Now THAT's crazy!
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    Default Re: Dangerous scents.......?

    cow farts are also killing polar bears

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    Default Re: Dangerous scents.......?

    Quote Originally Posted by jdnba View Post
    cow farts are also killing polar bears
    Now that's funny!

    Great avatar Ms Lookingglass! And Welcome to BN from someone else "In the South".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightninrod View Post
    Now that's funny!

    Great avatar Ms Lookingglass! And Welcome to BN from someone else "In the South".


    Dan
    ha ha glad someone caught that one!

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    This is almost like the Blue State Scents vs. Red State Scents. If something is a known carcinogen and it is an ingredient in something that I may be using on a daily basis, I'm glad to know. What I choose to do with that information is my business, but I have to say that I am grateful for that information. Women used to swallow arsenic in order to have a paler complexion. I guess some people out there think they should still be doing this. To each, his own.

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    I think it's entirely plausible and very likely that many cologne ingredients are bad for your
    health. But we spray on the skin (and not in our mouths...I hope), there's probably very little
    if any absorption, and if there is, it's in the very top skin layers. Plus, we use relatively little and most of it evaporates.
    Breathing city air is probably worse for you than using scents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    This is almost like the Blue State Scents vs. Red State Scents. If something is a known carcinogen and it is an ingredient in something that I may be using on a daily basis, I'm glad to know. What I choose to do with that information is my business, but I have to say that I am grateful for that information. Women used to swallow arsenic in order to have a paler complexion. I guess some people out there think they should still be doing this. To each, his own.
    Agreed - information is good. As long as it's unbiased and correct.

    Sniff: any chance of providing us with a link to the Greenpeace website article? I'm curious to know which fragrances they consider risky.

    I'm a blue scent guy living in a red scent state...
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    This isn't so much about allergies, it's about neurotoxicity and carcinogenicity. Natural oils used in perfumery can cause allergic reactions in some people. But the ones commonly used are not neurotoxic, unlike some isolated chemical components used in fragrances.

    Many mainstream fragrances do contain isolated chemicals that could be neurotoxic when inhaled. We live in a chemical age and most of these chemicals have no legitimate, established safety information available, or any studies that have been done on them.

    It makes sense to be open to this kind of information and not blindly discount it.

    Personally, most mainstream fragrances make me gag or give me a headache if I smell them for too long, but niche brand fragrances don't. That alone tells me something about the quality of ingredients used.
    Last edited by Maxwell; 11th December 2007 at 01:58 AM.

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    I find that my sinuses are affected negatively while wearing fragrances. Some of them make my eye twitch or other muscles in my face contract slightly - a classic allergic response. And while I do enjoy them, I can't help but think that I'm subjecting myself to far more 'air pollution' than even big city smog. It's something like 95% of the chemicals used in the mainstream fragrance industry are derived from petroleum.

    If I'm honest with myself, although I feel some emotional enjoyment from wearing my scents, I tend to feel worse physically. I'm going to look into making my own with essential oils. Yes, I know they can be dangerous too, but at least they are full, naturally occurring compounds and not isolated petrochemicals.

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    [QUOTE= find that my sinuses are affected negatively while wearing fragrances. Some of them make my eye twitch or other muscles in my face contract slightly - a classic allergic response. .....
    If I'm honest with myself, although I feel some emotional enjoyment from wearing my scents, I tend to feel worse physically. I'm going to look into making my own with essential oils......
    Personally, most mainstream fragrances make me gag or give me a headache if I smell them for too long, but niche brand fragrances don't. That alone tells me something about the quality of ingredients used.....
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    I wish more of these observations could come forth for the good of everyone. The problem is that most of the perfume does not evaporates, it passes through the skin and into the bood stream and some very big and very stable molecules accumulate in the natural filters ( liver, kidneys, brain ecc..).
    It is enough for everyone to observe that there is not a single chemichal medicine that does not have a full page of side effects listed while the natural plants we eat have about none.
    Not only through our nose these aromachemical reach the core of our nentral nervous system to unsettle it and sometimes disrupt it, but by this road they also reach and affect our endocrine system and can cause grave psychologic problems.
    I also strongly suspect some of these molecules used in mainstreem perfumes to (purposely?) have the capacity to confuse people about their own sexual identity.

    AbdesSalaam Attar

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightninrod View Post
    Pure rubbish IMO!


    Dan
    +1...I wouldn't take Greenpeace too seriously, i mean, some of these people are just crazy fanatics.

    Everything under the sun can be dangerous to someone in a right dose.
    So does that mean we have to ban everything too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Profumo View Post
    ..I also strongly suspect some of these molecules used in mainstreem perfumes to (purposely?) have the capacity to confuse people about their own sexual identity.

    AbdesSalaam Attar
    Huh?? I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, but I believe there are many factors that can cause one to question their sexual identity, but I doubt that odor is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    I find that my sinuses are affected negatively while wearing fragrances. Some of them make my eye twitch or other muscles in my face contract slightly - a classic allergic response. And while I do enjoy them, I can't help but think that I'm subjecting myself to far more 'air pollution' than even big city smog. It's something like 95% of the chemicals used in the mainstream fragrance industry are derived from petroleum.

    If I'm honest with myself, although I feel some emotional enjoyment from wearing my scents, I tend to feel worse physically. I'm going to look into making my own with essential oils. Yes, I know they can be dangerous too, but at least they are full, naturally occurring compounds and not isolated petrochemicals.
    I feel this way too with most mainstream fragrances. I get the same kind of eye/face muscle twitches. I actually got into niche fragrances because of that (not because I'm a fragrance snob). Most niche brands just seem to use better ingredients and they don't cause negative reactions for me.

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    Another group is going after A*Men.

    This has been a fairly active thread in the Fragrance Industry Discussion forum:

    http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=201114
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    Default Re: Dangerous scents.......?

    The Aspartame from one Diet Coke probably has significantly more negative impact than a year's worth of using the average perfume.

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    http://www.greenpeaceweb.org/lichaam.../parfumgpi.pdf

    Its just something I discovered on the web, so now you can read it for yourself.

    This report is not brand new, so its possible many brands removed the bad ingedients;
    we will never know everything,thats for sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwell View Post
    I feel this way too with most mainstream fragrances. I get the same kind of eye/face muscle twitches. I actually got into niche fragrances because of that (not because I'm a fragrance snob). Most niche brands just seem to use better ingredients and they don't cause negative reactions for me.
    It kind of frightens me, actually. And yet I am addicted to scent, and don't want to give it up. I guess I'll have to look into trying out some niche brands. I don't have a girlfriend or anyone to answer to financially, but if I did, at least I'd have a good excuse for spending so much on juice. :P

    Actually, I really want to start making my own all natural blends, too. I'm creative by nature and would love to wear something I designed myself - not only for the uniqueness and ego gratification, but because using the right essential oils I could not only smell good but feel good, too. If only mainstream fragrances could be both emotionally and physiologically uplifting. But I understand the market, and I understand why that will never happen.

    I enjoy scent like we all do here, but I'm really quite surprised that everyone is turning a blind eye to this. The industry is self regulated. The products are not tested or screened by the FDA here in the States, or as far as I'm aware, any other governmental agency in any country. Fragrances were found to still be using banned chemicals such as polycyclic musks years after they were banned. Nobody knew until finally a few scents were more closely examined. Chemicals once thought safe, or perhaps there was no consideration for the safety of the consumers, are now banned as they are deemed too dangerous. Who's to say that some chemicals they are using now don't also fit that criteria?

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    Thanks for the article sniff.

    I'm really surprised at how so many people are just making fun of the whole idea that fragrance ingredients can be dangerous without even reading about it. Plenty of chemicals in household items, foods, and pharmaceuticals are found to be dangerous and removed from the markets on a regluar basis, while controversies rage on about other items, which some respectable scientists claim are dangerous, but the government refuses to take any action on.

    It's one thing to be allergic to certain natural essences, but some chemicals are such that the body cannot process them, and they can be carcinogenic or have other serious effects. Nombre Noir contains some chemicals that were populat in the 70's and 80's but have since been banned. Governments today are so utterly corrupt and well trained by the business lobbies who keep them in office, that we can't expect them to regulate these things effectively, so unfortunately it's up to us to read about these things and decide for ourselves.

    Some people are alarmist and have unsubstatiated views and I haven't yet read the Greenpeace aticle, but making jokes about it and assuming it's all just silly is ridicuous and more than anything in my opinion a sign that because we live in a culture where we don't have any say over public policy and we don't have information sources that we feel we can really trust, alot of us would rather just pretend there are no dangers rather than have to think about the posibility that alot of things in our environment that we love may be dangerous, and we don't have the knowledge or resources to find out about it or do anything about it.
    --------------------------------------
    I'm reading the leaflet right now, and it's very reasonable. They don't make claims they can't back up, and they don't pretend to know 100% for sure about many compounds, they just point out that there is evidence that makes certain common frarance ingredients seem like they may well be dangerous, and they're just letting us know so that we can chose what to do in terms of consumption choices and in terms of pushing government to actually give a shit about public safety.

    It's fine to say you don't want to hassle yourself worrying about all this, and that you'll accept the risk, but if you just make a joke about it, think about what that says. You're just copping out of having to make any choices at all.
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    Ambient perfumes are even worst, read the Beuc (Bureau européen des unions de consommateurs) document: http://www.profumo.it/aromaterapia/veleni_profumati.htm
    Sorry that it is in Italian only
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    I live in a risk-free bubble and I will sue the pants off of anyone who ruptures it!

    Now, where's that bottle...
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    What do you mean? It's not about living in a risk free bubble, it's just about being aware of the risks. If you believe in personal responsibility you would hope people have access to information on which to base their choices.

    Personally, I think that government should pay more attention to things like this so that I don't feel like I have to read a mountain of scientific arguments every time I buy something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snafoo View Post
    Huh?? I'm not a psychologist or sociologist, but I believe there are many factors that can cause one to question their sexual identity, but I doubt that odor is one of them.
    Dear Snafoo ciao, aromatic molecules have the structure of hormones, and pheromones are aromatic molecules. These last ones control the reproduction process of all living organisms.
    Studies have been done about the toxicity of polyciclic musks, but none has been done on them and on similar pheromonelike molecules regarding their effects on the central nervous system and on the hormonal system.
    Odors do not just enter our system through the skin (as hormonelike molecules) but affect our hormonal system through our sense of smell (pheromonelike molecules).
    If interested to understand the power of pheromone in the sexual life of human beings read:
    http://www.profumo.it/perfume/pherom...pheromones.asp
    AbdesSalaam Attar
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