Something makes me like it even more, especially in a bell jar!
I was originally planning to add this to the current thread but realised that the last post was by myself. So, in order for these photos to be brought to everyone's attention, I've started another thread.
I'm afraid I'm not an avid photographer, so I didn't have anything other than my mobile phone to take the photos I promised. Unfortunately, the lighting (and my not so great camera) made the task a little difficult. It also didn't help that the Harrods SA was getting very uncomfortable about the number of photos I was taking (6 or 7) - I even explained why beforehand!
So, here's the evidence - judge it for yourself:
Something makes me like it even more, especially in a bell jar!
Wonder what the reason behind the change is?
Here's something else as well:
On the right-hand side is the SL spray bottle that most of us are familiar with (check the bulb in the red circle) and on the left-hand side is the new SL spray bottle but without the bulb (as shown in the circle). In addition, if you look closely at the necks of both bottles, the neck of the old bottle (i.e. the one on the right) is narrower than the neck of the new bottle. Why the change in bottles is beyond me but I have noticed that the caps are almost impossible to pull off the spray attachments of the new bottles (thus causing excessive scratching to the spray nozzle).
its like bizzarro chergui....strange!
Thanks Trebor. Chergui sells well, but the general public usually likes green juice, and this is probably why they changed the color. As for the bottles? Doesn't seem like a big deal. Maybe someone else is making them. Like everything else, it's all about economics.
Last edited by pluran; 11th March 2008 at 09:54 PM.
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Green green Chergui...now that I think about it, a violet leaf or galbanum infusion in the Chergui formula would be a very welcome addition to the sweet-dry hay formula.
Trebor, thanks for the photos and the heads-up.
The color change is fine with me, but I want to know if also the juice has been changed or reformulated and if any constituent ingredients of the juice have been removed or added. It happens so often that a successful fragrance is reformulated so that it is less costly to manufacture and is never again as good as it was prior to the reformulation.
Chergui is a big favorite of mine, and it would be a serious loss if Chergui were cheapened. Very soon, I want to get my hands on some of this green Chergui juice and conduct a side-by-side comparison of the familiar light brown juice with this new green juice.
Like Rockford mentioned, I don't think they've made this change just for aesthetic purposes but rather to also change the rest of the formula. It's probably too early to talk about a loss of quality, but it's certainly worrying news. I'm looking forward to comparisons and really do pray for the best.
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Here is a photo my friend took of his bell jar:
I am not sure though whether the color was originally like this or it has turned. I bought my own very recently, and there the color is still the good old brown.
Last edited by Ascella; 12th March 2008 at 09:16 AM.
I have the rich colored brown juice. If you actually hold it up against a white fluorescent bulb (preferable the light emitted from your computer monitor), it turns into the shade of green in the first few pics. Maybe it was the counter display lights that made it look a bit green, but that bell jar looks a bit messed up.
I seem to have the 'new' Chergui which Trebor took pictures of in Harrods although it's def. not the same green as in the Ascella's photo. I also have about 1ml left of the old juice and today I compared both side by side. No change has been made in the formulation apart from the colour, they both smell exactly the same, as far as I can tell. There's really no need to panic IMO.
Whilst this is obviously cause for concern over a change of formula, the fact that the green shown here is very similar to the green displayed by the 'brown' Chergui under certain light implies that maybe they've just removed the colourant that made it brown in the first place and left the perfume aromatically identical. After all, Chergui is a warm sweet fragrance where brown would be a better psychological choice. Also, given the gorgeous purple of Sarrisins, maybe Mr Lutens is feeling braver regarding colour choice; let's face it, most Lutens are fairly conservative/'natural' hues, so this might just be a new display of boldness.
Anyway... those are my hypotheses, and I'm clinging desperately to 'em.
Incidentally, I too have noticed the other change you've noted, Trebor: that of the newer - and I suspect cheaper to manufacture, if I may be cynical for a moment - spray mechanism. My 50ml bottles of Gris Clair and Chene have this newer spray, and yes, the caps are noticeably tighter.
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I sent an email to the Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido asking them about Chergui's change to the color green. This is the reply I received from their public relations department:
you will find here enclosed the answer of our marketing service about the color of Chergui:
Thank you for your inquire mail concerning the colour of Chergui.
In deed, Chergui was a very delicate fragrance and colour turned green when exposed under a strong light or a high temperature.
Now, our laboratory has found the solution to stabilize the colour, so this phenomenon will not happen again.
We regret to have surprised you, and thank you for your interest towards our fragrances.
It was Ascella who first pointed out to us in another thread the phenomenon of the green Chergui, and she wondered if the juice had turned green over time. I wrote to Ascella that perhaps the Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido had noticed a tendency for Chergui to turn green under certain conditions, and perhaps they decided the best solution was to make the color of Chergui green in the first place in order to solve that problem.
I also asked the Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido if the fragrance formula of Chergui had been changed along with the color. They didn't respond to that question.
Last edited by Rockford; 14th March 2008 at 04:08 AM.
We need some real chemists here to clarify the word "stabilize" .
Today, I sent another email to Les Salons du Palais Royal Shiseido asking them again if, besides the change in color, the actual fragrance of Chergui has also been changed. I will, of course, share any answer that I receive from them on this subject.
Last edited by Rockford; 14th March 2008 at 02:27 PM.
Now I'm rather colourblind - can anyone tell me if there is any difference in colour between these two bottles? And if they are the same - are they both brown or green? One is a 50ml bottle (which therefore comes from 2005) that I put in a bell jar that someone donated to me very generously and one is from the original bell jar which I got at a great price:
REgardless of if the colours are different or not, one thing I did notice is that on the ingredients of the export 50ml bottle of 2005, there is a difference in the order of ingredients vs the ingredients on a bell jar.
In the bell jar bottle the last three ingredients are colours, and on the 50ml bottle you have the same three colours, except in between the 3rd to last and 2nd to last colours you have Isoeugeniol and Eugeniol listed.
Maybe they just upped the does of isoeugeniol and eugeniol - I have no idea what those are though!
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Thanks Ascella - it's hard to get the colours to come through without a lightbox, thus the overexposure and underexposure. The brown one is from the 2005 bottle, and the green is the more recent. Would it be sacrilege to mix the contents into one bottle? I don't detect any significant difference between the two in terms of scent, or longevity etc. I have these two bottles, and one sealed 50ml bottle. I was thinking of selling off the sealed one together with an empty bell jar and keeping the contents of both of the above bells in one jar.
Actually - I take back that there's no difference - the brown stuff is stronger for longer. I even used less of it than the green, but I can smell the "brown hand" more vividly than the "green hand" though this might have to do with batch variation than anything to do with the colours.
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Only the coloration has been changed, absolutly not the fragrance and the smell...
I think it is very possible that they have only changed the color. In fact, I think I might describe myself as moderately optimistic that only the color has been changed.
That being said, I would still like to conduct a side-by-side comparison on my own skin between the old brown Chergui and the new green Chergui.
Thanks, Rockford, for your efforts. It's a 50/50 chance that they're telling the truth but, for now, I'll reserve judgement (especially with all the various hues of chergui seen in this thread so far).
I also agree with Ascella's previous post.
No, I think they both are virtually identical, except the older one is stronger and stays stronger longer. I tested them again, and added extra green to the green hand a few hours in, without doing the same to the brown hand, and a few hours later the brown hand is still stronger.
Both of them last a very long time, but the brown is alot more potent. .
I don't know the system, but the 50ml bottle was MUD01 X
and the green one is NUK05 X
By the way I think the difference is potency is batch variation - I've had two different bottles of FUmerie Turque borth 50ml from 2006 and they smelled more different than these two bottles.
By the way - do you guys think it's a bad idea to mix the juice from both bottles into one?
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I wouldn't mix them, personally.
It seems that when serial numbers end in two digits like those, the digits are the year it was made. I know this is the case with Creed and Hugh Parsons.
Lately I've been wearing:
Windsor, Bois de Santal, Original Santal, Elixir, Douro, Endymion, Reflection, Arcus, Marwah
I don't think that makes sense in this case - the 50ml bottle ends in 01 but those bottles were sold in 2005.
And if you guys don't think I should mix them - do you think I'm better off selling a 3/4 full bell jar of chergui with an empty 50ml bottle w spray and box as an extra, or better off selling a sealed 50m bottle with an empty bell as an extra?
Older juice: Brown, more honeyed, very long lasting
Newer juice: Defintely green, and from first sniff in the bottle, less honey, more hay, reminding me of Yerbamate
To make the issue even more confusing, I also saw tester bottles with reddish-brown juice, a couple of times last year...
finsfan: did the green juice smell fresher to you?
Last edited by Trebor; 7th May 2009 at 08:57 PM.
Trebor, from memory of how the browner, older Chergui smelled, the green bottle I have smells more of hay than honey, more powder, and less intense.
I noticed a difference too. The brown is more rich and buttery while the green is more fresh and well, green (ie. hay). Both are still "Chergui" though, and smell amazing.
I just purchased a bell jar from Palais Royale and the juice is dark, dark brown (Sarrasins-esque).
finsfan, if you're not happy with your bottle, just return it and explain why.
I took this picture of my Chergui bell jar about four years ago. It still looks the same, except it isn't nearly as full:
I bought an export bottle too and it is green but smells just the same. I don't have a picture of that one though.
I'm glad it's green, green is my favorite color, viva green Chergui
My Chergui bell jar, purchased several years ago, has changed from the original brown to a green color. I doubt they officially changed the color and believe it is a simple case of oxidation.
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