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    Default Re: Storing perfumes in the refrigerator

    I keep most of my bottles in the fridge, they seem to do just fine. I don't think a regular kitchen fridge is the optimal storage, but I am reasoning that it's better to store them a little too cold than too warm.
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    I started keeping mine inside the boxes on the lower side of my fridge.

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    No personal research done, but I would avoid storing fragrances along side food. I use a mini fridge and wine cooler for that purpose.

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    I keep mine in a cupboard in a cool room and they last well with no spoilage. Cool is better than cold for fragrances as some perfumes react badly to cold.
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    Hmm...It could possibly solidify...If unattended..some fridges have a knack of doing so;.. though a miniature wine cool as mentioned sounds great...strictly for the purpose of frags

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    I keep my entire collection in a mini fridge. During the summer months while at work, I leave the air conditioning off and the fridge on the lowest setting keeps them safe. During the winter months I just leave the fridge unplugged and it protects them from the changes in temp from the furnace.

    Whenever I open the door I get a big whiff of every fragrance in there. When my collection was small over the summer I also stored drinks in there and the cans and bottles would smell of fragrance. This fridge is ruined as far as storing food in it. But that's not it's purpose anymore anyway.

    That being said, and knowing how easily things in the fridge start taking on the smells and tastes of whatever else is in there, no I would not put fragrance in a food refrigerator or vice-versa.

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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    Well... don't know if it's worth a fridge if you really use constantly the perfumes you own. Keerping them away from direct sunlight and himidity/"house"heat will be enough, I guess.

    Fridge will help if you plan on keeping fragrances stored for decades... also, may be useful if you live in an extra-hot country. On hot weather, I doubt perfumes last longer than 7-8 months if not stored properly.
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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    I have done some research in fragrance storage and can verify that it does prolong fragrance viability for as long as fifty years or more. Ideal storage for most fragrances is ten degrees Celsius and for citrus fragrances, eight degrees Celsius. I have become so involved in this hobby of ours that I now have four refrigerators exclusively for fragrance. The wine cooler types are good if ambient room temperature does not go beyond 80 degrees F. otherwise set at the lowest temperature on a food storage type refrigerator and monitor the temperature. Do not combine fragrances with food. Bottles should be in their boxes with notations of where purchased and when. Store bottles standing upright. Some feel going to such lengths to store fragrance is strange behavior to be sure but, not for those of us who are "into" fragrance as heavily as some of us are. If you have questions pm me. People take great pains to store vintage wine. Why not fragrance?
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    Tesla, please share this research.
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    A freaky deaky encomium amen!! darn right, I am currently in the presumptuous means of buying a wine cooling fridge!! considering it's getting up to 40+ Celsius in Australia...though I store My frags in a dim and saturnine vicinity/Nook.

    So, at the moment I guess It'll still be adept and well..though I feel as If I'd be more intact and inclined with my frags if
    I can monitor them at a apropos temp.

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    Thanks for these super posts. I have already removed all my perfumes from the refrigerator and would think of buying a wine cooler to store them.

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    Default Re: Storing perfumes in the refrigerator

    I store all of my backup bottles in a mini-fridge. However, I have a thermometer in there to make sure the temperature is always above freezing (5 degrees C is good), and I put all of them in Ziploc storage bags first so that moisture is not an issue. Where I live, a mini-fridge is less expensive than a wine cooler.
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    Default Re: Storing perfumes in the refrigerator

    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    I would go for a temp controlled wine cooler at about 50 F
    This makes some sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    I have done some research in fragrance storage and can verify that it does prolong fragrance viability for as long as fifty years or more. Ideal storage for most fragrances is ten degrees Celsius and for citrus fragrances, eight degrees Celsius. I have become so involved in this hobby of ours that I now have four refrigerators exclusively for fragrance. The wine cooler types are good if ambient room temperature does not go beyond 80 degrees F. otherwise set at the lowest temperature on a food storage type refrigerator and monitor the temperature. Do not combine fragrances with food. Bottles should be in their boxes with notations of where purchased and when. Store bottles standing upright. Some feel going to such lengths to store fragrance is strange behavior to be sure but, not for those of us who are "into" fragrance as heavily as some of us are. If you have questions pm me. People take great pains to store vintage wine. Why not fragrance?

    Thank you very much for the info! That really is very helpful. I'd have to buy a fridge for my Cocoa Mademoiselle so I'll be able to preserve it for as long as I live..

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    You can stick any frag in the fridge for 30 mins, take it out and smell the difference immediately.

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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    Maybe this is OT, and probably answered to in another thread, but isn´t the humidity in regular fridges bad for the frags?

    More OT: OK, I´ll reveal my ignorance by asking this question - what stength is likely to turn/go bad first? Pure perfume or EdT/cologne? Is there any difference, and why? Does the alcohol % count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by musse View Post
    Maybe this is OT, and probably answered to in another thread, but isn´t the humidity in regular fridges bad for the frags?

    More OT: OK, I´ll reveal my ignorance by asking this question - what stength is likely to turn/go bad first? Pure perfume or EdT/cologne? Is there any difference, and why? Does the alcohol % count?

    Hope for an answer to this........TIA
    Yes, humidity can also be a big problem, but generally I think it's humidity combined with heat and/or light that's the real killer. I'm not sure that fridge humidity (or, rather, condensation) will have much of a detrimental effect.

    As for what goes first - if I remember rightly, in chemistry terms the pure perfume will go before anything else because it has the highest concentration of oils and natural ingredients, whereas the higher alcohol and (usually) synthetics content in a cologne and EDT shoud keep them as they are for longer. HOWEVER, I believe there are exceptions to every rule and, not that I have experienced this with my collection, but I have known an AS to go LONG before a pure perfume kept in exactly the same circumstances.

    I've never owned a pure perfume (don't really see the point in them and I'm not one of these people who has a major downer on synthetics), but I've had colognes and EDTs that have lasted just over 10 years and I've recently acquired a 30-odd year old bottle of Brut 33 cologne that smells absolutely fine and a 20+ year old bottle of Yardley Classic Gold (I thought it was AS, but I think it's actually an EDT cos it's too oily for an AS), which again smells like it would've done the day it was put in the bottle.

    Unless you're keeping your collection on the bathroom shelf by a window in a hot sunny country, most average collections should be fine for a few years just in your room, out of direct (natural and artificial) light. If you have a large collection that will likely see you through for more than that, then a dry cupboard or dark shelf is recommended. If you have REALLY special stuff, then a drinks cooler might be a good idea. I personally NEVER recommend a fridge for reasons I've already stated in this thread.
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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    BIG thanks for your kind answer, great_badir!!

    I *know* Frédéric Malle store their frags at approx. +13,5 degrees C. I store mine in a dark cupboard in my rather cold bedroom, which seems to work just fine.


    Does anyone here suspect that some manufacturers put a "secret ingredient" in their frags, to make them turn faster, so that they can sell more? That would not be so smart in the long run, I guess. But these days there is no "long run" in this industry, I think. (or maybe I´m just being crass)
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    Ya, I think that's why they recommend wine coolers vs. fridges, wine coolers obviously aren't as cool or dangerous. Though I have been sticking my frags in the fridge for no longer than 45 mins or so, for the past few years and notice nothing bad happening to the juice inside. Quite beneficial.

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    I keep my stuff in a mini fridge with no freezer on the lowest setting during the summer (it gets into the 90s inside with no ac) and shut it off at night and I turn it off during the fall/winter. A fridge that's off and closed acts to keep the frags dark and it seals them from temperature variations. The benefits of cool storage far outweigh the risks of keeping them out in the open or in a closet where it's the same temperature as the rest of the place. Frags don't go bad from a sudden change, it's from being improperly stored for a prolonged period of time.

    I've never had an issue with anything going bad or weakening in the few years I've done this. The people who buy from me can attest to this.
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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    Quote Originally Posted by PorkFat View Post
    Frags don't go bad from a sudden change, it's from being improperly stored for a prolonged period of time.
    So how else can my little unfortunate experience with a fridge and the subsequent years of "improper storage for a long period of time" on a shelf in the bedroom be explained?

    I admit in hindsight that 3-5C was probably a little too low (but this was in the days before places like BN and very early days of the web), but apart from that there was nothing else to explain why they went bad so quickly - they were never in light, direct or otherwise, that 3-5 was ALWAYS constant (even in the winter) and there were no other variables that I can think of...

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    Default Fragrance changes with time and storage

    How much can one expect a fragrance to change over time? If one was to buy a "vintage" fragrance that was 10 or 20 years old, could they expect it to smell the same as the day it ws bottled, or is that highly unlikely? Do certain conditions related to storage (i.e. heat) change some notes, but not others? Answer as many of these questions as you wish, and add details if you have more knowledge on the subject. Thanks.

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    Default Re: Fragrance changes with time and storage

    The top notes, being more volatile, are generally the first to go and will be the most vulnerable to heat and light. Properly stored, a fragrance can be good-as-new after 10 years. I'm not a collector of vintage frags per se, so I'll let someone else address the 20-year scenario...
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    depends on several things mainly:

    1. actual composition/type of the new fragrance
    2. storage temperature
    3. storage light level

    Heavy woody/Orientals using low volatility notes will likely be unaffected by minor changes in temperature or light, but lighter citrus/fresh scents where the composition is heavily reliant on high-volatility notes of a natural origin, may be totally ruined by a year of sunlight or high temps/humidity.
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    Default Re: Fragrance changes with time and storage

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosehavn View Post
    How much can one expect a fragrance to change over time?
    The answer can range from "not at all" to "throw it away". Kept properly, however, fragrances of 10 or 20 years old will change little. In many cases, when kept properly, they will actually get better. That'a why people will pay for vintage, sometimes (that and the fact that they have not been reformulated).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosehavn View Post
    If one was to buy a "vintage" fragrance that was 10 or 20 years old, could they expect it to smell the same as the day it ws bottled, or is that highly unlikely?
    Possible at 10 years, but unlikely at 20. There are multiple reasons for this. Even perfectly bottled and kept in the dark, unopened, with no exposure to oxygen what wasn't already in the bottle, fragrances kept under anything but "preserve the head of Elvis" temperatures must undergo some small amount of chemical reactions over time. But I have to say that the differences may be less than those due to reformulation. People routinely have 20 year-old bottles of certain fragrances where perceptive noses fight over the differences enough that people are advised to go ahead and buy the new stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosehavn View Post
    Do certain conditions related to storage (i.e. heat) change some notes, but not others?
    Heat and light can change things, and every different type of molecule, and every type of mixture, in every type of container, will have a different story. There are some generalities. Overall, oxygen is worst, light next, and heat last. Worst case is a splash bottle on a sunny, warm window-sill. The one molecular generality which is easily made is that volatile things tend to escape more easily by evaporation, thus leading to loss of top notes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosehavn View Post
    Answer as many of these questions as you wish, and add details if you have more knowledge on the subject. Thanks.
    I suggest searching on several discussions which included me and Astaroth. Both of us got into things pretty deeply.

    Everybody is agreed - oxygen and light are bad boys, and you need to keep those away from your frags. Spray bottles in dark drawers pretty much does that. Whether you want to go for the third step, cooling, is not critical, IMO (and I'm a guy with a fragrance fridge for my vintage and future vintage).
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    i have fragrances that have been stored in good conditions for 10 to 20 years and still as good as new.
    i keep the fragrances i want to store in a refregerator and some of them in a closet in the basement so no light can harm them.

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    Avoid light. Keep them in their boxes..

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    My dad has an old bottle of Acqua di Parma which he left by the window and it's ruined.

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    Default Re: Is there any benefit to keeping cologne in a fridge?

    Jean Kerleo was the in-house nose/perfumer at Patou from 1967 until 1998. He is also the founder of Osmotheque, the "living perfume museum" in Versailles.

    A few years ago I contacted Osmotheque to see if they could provide clarification regarding fragrance storage, temperature, etc. I told them I kept my fragrances in a refrigerator. Their reply was as follows:

    "Exactly. This can appear strange, but you must store your perfume in the rerigerator, safe from light, and in the cold." They recommend a temperature of 10 degrees celsius for most fragrances, and 4 degrees celsius for citrus fragrances.

    10° Celsius = 50° Fahrenheit
    4° Celsius = 39° Fahrenheit

    Osmotheque goes further, in using something like argon gas to seal the bottles/cannisters they use, but for me the info above is pretty much the last word on the subject.

    Where I live on the coast it's very cool (average summer temp of 65F and low-mid 50's at night), so a wine refrigerator isn't critical, but I still use one for certain fragrances. But if I lived in a relatively warm place, I would probably keep everything in one.
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