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    I've meant to write a thread on this theme for a long time. The theme is Givenchy makes superior, nay, better than superior, scents for men. Givenchy stuff kicks a**.

    In my notebook I tried to break the scents down into grade categories so I could make a logical sounding review as I went through first tier, then second and third tier stuff from the house, but my notebook notes are chaotic and the truth is I can't decide which in my opinion are always second tier. Four stand always at the top though: Gentleman, Xeryus, Insensé, and Monsieur. These are ideal men's fragrances. No one who wears one of them is making a mistake. Each shows superior taste.

    Gentleman. Hints of rose and I wonder if cedar and civet over the best and most rounded patchouli scent on the mainstream market. I got to know this scent twenty-five years ago in high school and it has shaped my nose as the balance of beautiful patchouli. I smell this now and I say "perfect." All the balance is there, all the smooth corners, all the woods sanded with the finest grade of sandpaper that the resulting surface is almost a cushion to the touch. Patchouli is usually unruly and people mock it as a hippie scent. BS! Gentleman puts the lie to that--smell it yourself and the total package of refinement is simply so clear. Nothing like group food feeds. Conversational word on many threads here is that the current bottles are slightly inferior to earlier ones. I've smelled both. The difference is insignificant. The currently available bottles down at the store are still a superior scent.

    Xeryus. I have less to observe about this one, but it is similarly perfect. I think it is the house's "wild side" scent. It has a cold heart note that is steel like, geranium like, and austere. It haunts me because I know its smell even from memory--know the smell by brain alone without getting my bottle out to smell. Unforgettable. It's austere and cold, but in a way that is interesting--interesting in the sense that one wants to get closer to it to figure it out. This stuff never gets tired. This stuff is so damned cool!

    Insensé. Talk about daring departure. This is the house's heavy floral scent for men. I have the suspicion that most mainstream houses out there would be afraid to make a men's scent that is so obviously a floral. This one, however, all I can say is that it truly succeeds. Summer wildflowers in a bottle. Fantastic stuff. No bowl of flowers. Fresh flowing pastoral florals over a cedar base. A delight. Lasts forever too. Amazing with my blue striped dress shirt. Almost with a dandelion note too. Fantastic. Seems harder to find lately. I hope that's not true outside my area.

    Monsieur. To be honest it took me a while to warm up to this one. It seemed the old skool style vinegar sour type of scent to me forever--citrus, verbena, vetiver. I bought a bottle cheap when I saw one very cheap. Now I get nothing but happiness out of it. Longevity seemed to be a problem, but what the heck, the more times I wore the stuff the longer its been lasting on me. I'm almost going to be unfair to this one as I write the following, but Monsieur almost seems to be an aquatic to me. It smells like really good water. It is long before the aquatic trend came to every corner's fragrance selection, but Monsieur does a gentleman's fresh, clean, breezy, sun-dried cotton clothing scent better than so many. Classic classic classic. Smell it and you know already that it has been part of your nose's life. I guess that's what I meant when I smelled the old skool thing to it. A delight to wear and make a part of everyone else's nose life.

    Those are the top offerings from the house as my nose ranks them. Givenchy Pour Homme is nice indeed, but it never won me over. I dislike Givenchy Pour Homme in the blue label. I dislike all the flanker Insensé scents, especially Ultramarine. Stay away from those and get a whiff of the original Insensé only. I also never warmed to the candy sweetness element of Xeryus Rouge.

    One more thing. After decades Givenchy brought back Vetyver. I never smelled the original so I can't compare them, but a comparison isn't the point of this post. Vetyver is a fantastic scent now available, presumably brought back with the original recipe in mind. Would that other houses would follow this great idea and bring some others back! 2007 was awash with vetivers that smelled like Carven's and Givenchy's, so don't expect vetiver revelations from this one, but expect a great and happy scent from it. That's what I get.

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    Great post Chris.

    Givenchy Gentleman is just how you describe - beautifully balanced, certainly with civet, citrus and a big round, smooth, refined patchouli dominating. It reminds me to a small extent of mouchoir de monsieur, and it certainly stands up to that benchmark of quality. I had a chance to do a direct comparison of old and new and they are a little different to me; I would say the older is starker with more civet and somehow flatter in the big patchouli. I am not really a big fan of patchouli so I rarely reach for this but I recommend it highly.

    Xeryus I enjoyed two bottles of this way back in the late 80s (I think) but haven't been able to look at it since. Somehow one day, it just seemed too much. I bought a bottle of rouge blind, remembering how much I had enjoyed the original and I think this concoction put the nail in the coffin for me. It was soon gifted to a friend.

    I have no experience of the others....
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    Chris,

    Thanks for this post. I appreciate your insights and thoughts on these fragrances. I haven't had the opportunity to sample many Givenchy fragrances, but have been wanting to - especially Gentleman and Insensé. I now even feel more compelled to seek them out!

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    5812th post and you still kick butt, i can tell you that.

    just dig gentleman..its one of those fragrances which one would love right out of the nozzle....its simplicity is only infectious, it seems only obvious it had to smell the way it does...just a classic..

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    I like G. Gentleman...it is a very masculine fragrance. The initial notes scare me, but after a few minutes it gets tamed.

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    I'm a big fan of Pi as well. Lovely.

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    I agree. It kicks bootay.

    The great thing with Givenchy scents is THAT YOU CAN SMELL THEM! So many of these lame, weak efforts foisted upon us these days are gone in 60 seconds.

    Givenchy scents are rich and bold. Thank God.

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    Now, I need to try some Givenchy 'fumes. If my wallet gets any lighter (which means i'd have to cut chunks out of it :P) i'll come get you.

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    Thanks DustB - honestly, I have only smelled Xeryus. I do agree with you, I would never even need to smell another bottle again, I can conjure up the smell of Xeryus from memory it's so unique. Of course I have compared Narciso Rodriguez for Him to it, but I used this comparison as a compliment. Funny, I wore Xeryus as an adolescent, even though it is NOT an immature scent. I probably over applied it too.

    Of course Givenchy Gentleman has been recommended to me to try so many times (on my Cinnamon thread, on patchouli threads I've posted, the list goes on and on...) that I just need to get out there and TRY IT ALREADY. I will.
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    Well done, Chris. I agree wholeheartedly with your selections, although I never got around to buying Insense because I preferred Rabanne's Tenere in that style of scent. Still, the ones you sited are more than a cut above the mainstream.

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    Thank you for the great post. The only Givenchy I own is Very Irresistible, and even though it's a relatively new release, it certainly feels like a classic, and is one of the scents that I feel I can do anything when I'm wearing it.

    A while back I tested Gentlemen and Pi, and I thought they were magnificent, classy scents, but for some reason I have forgot about them. Now that you describe Gentleman the way you did, I think I need to give it more attention, along with your other three favorites.

    Pour Homme and Blue Label, however, were not that impressive when I tested them about a week ago.
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    I've always been intrigued by Insense (the virtue of being a mass market floral for men automatically merits some attention), but the mention of a dandelion-like note - now that has got me definitely interested. A good dandelion's a note that I've been searching for but has yet proved elusive. I'm thinking maybe I should take one of the last bottles available on eBay before they disappear for good (it's been discontinued, right?). Do you think it's blind-buy worthy?

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    Great post as always!

    Even their more modern fragrances are above the run of the mill. Blue Label could have been just another generic marine scent, but the sensual woody dry down makes is a cut above.

    Has anyone had a chance to try the reissue of their 1959 Vetyver? It's part of the Les Parfums Mythiques line.

    The scent grows richer, he knows he must be near
    He finds a long passageway lit by chandelier
    Each step he takes, the perfumes change
    From familiar fragrance to flavours strange
    A magnificent chamber meets his eye

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    A truly great post!
    I have 6 Givenchy's scents in my wardrobe (Gentleman, Xeryus, XeryusRouge, Pi, Givenchy pour Homme and Very Irresistible) and I'm desperately trying to find Monsieur (1959.). It is impossible to find that scent in my country, you know. Last summer, our business partner from France visited our company. He smelt soooo good. I asked him what scent does he wearing and he told me Givenchy Monsieur. Then I knew: I just have to have that frag in my wardrobe.
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    Thanks Chris. Xeryus is a classic imo - always in my top ten. Greenergy is my favorite green - period.

    Go team Givenchy!

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    I am so with you!

    I love Xerius, Xerius Rouge, Monsiur, Pi. I Like Gentleman and Very irresistible. I have to try Insense. I think PH is ok. I don't care for Blue Label but I think it's better alternative to AdG.

    I think this house always puts out outstanding or above average scents.

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    I agree about Givenchy fragrances as well. I've owned Gentleman in the past and I'm craving it now since all I have is a sample. After trying samples of Monsieur, Incense and Vetyver I want them as well. Givenchy is a great house.

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    Awesome post indeed! I have always dug Gentleman as well. Now, this makes me want to experience the vetiver. Is is sold in boutiques only? Great job on the reviews!

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    I love Greenergy and Blue Label. The latter is an aquatic, and I know that's pretty much a sin on BN's, but it's head and shoulders above most scents in that genre.
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    Great post!

    The other day I was smelling the yawn inspiring Pour Homme and thought, "What happened!?!?" Givenchy has produced some absolutely awesome scents for men. I've tried a few and liked many, but the one that I always come back to is Xeryus. There's something about the lotiony drydown that gets me every time. I have read many comparisons to Narciso Rodriguez for men, and I understand some of them to a point, but find Xeryus to be absolutely superior in every regard. A real skipped over 80's classic.

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    Really great post.

    This house has great tradition in men's scents, and Gentleman is in my top 3 since quite a long time.

    Also, pour homme has a distinct quality among its equals.

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    Gentlemen,
    You’re all too kind. Thanks very much for the kind words and praise. It feels good when you get a chance to put some writing behind something you like and believe in, no?

    Another great thing about Givenchy stuff is that it’s not going to break your wallet. Quality and true refinement that even fits in a budget. The re-issue of Vetyver was steep because I bought it at retail, and that was US$65. That’s 100ml size too. That’s half the cost of a Lutens 50ml bottle, for example. And no lost classiness at all. I think I’ve seen everything else from online dealers at the usual fraction of the price. That makes wearing them a further mental pleasure for certain.

    Xenophon, LightninrodDan, and all you Pi lovers. I hear you. I’ve never gotten the Pi thing in my blood though, so I can’t say for me that it sings, but Pi further says something about the house’s products--like ChuckW says, Givenchy scents SAY something. Even if we don’t like Pi, we all know it. It stands out. It is THERE. Is that balls or what? It’s not all hidden, temperamental, no edge, no nothing. It’s there and it says what it is. It’s like they skipped the focus group wishy washy advice when it came to that stage. Maybe they even skipped that stage with it altogether. I don’t go for heavy vanilla scents in general, so Pi isn’t really for me, but it is a piece of sculpture in scent that you can’t not look at when you walk around it in the museum.

    And again, like ChuckW says, YOU CAN SMELL Givenchy stuff. Loud and bold, thank god. Well said! Damn straight too. Vision, quality, and production value. You can put it on and not worry. Like a man’s scent is supposed to be.

    MikePerez, I almost want to say fie on you, my friend! Get the to the Givenchy Gentleman sales person now! I think you’ll leave with a lot of respect for the juice. I’ve got to agree with Hirch though, that the current bottle’s wet insides are different from my bottle’s, but also, I sincerely believe the match is so good that it really doesn’t matter. I wish things were always as grand as they were in the ideal first pressing of the scent, but if that truly cannot be any more, I’ll be very happy to replace my bottle with a current one. If all reformulations could be this good, we would have little to complain about. I’m sure several other fine members will disagree with me, and that’s always cool, but like Levente, Smeller, and all the others mentioning Gentleman in their list of highest regard, I think the reformulation keeps the stuff up there.

    Whoops, I meant Jenson when I said Levente in that last sentence. Classic and perfect is right. Levente brings up the other great mainstream men’s floral, and it’s probably one more special than Insensé. Paco Rabanne’s Ténéré is another perfectly masculine floral, that is cold, dark, wet, hinted with honey and decay, and cool, cool, cool like they don’t make ‘em anymore. I think it tops the masculine floral genre. Insensé isn’t cool like that though, it’s bright daylight. It’s turning your car south into the summer sun around noon when you’re crossing the prairie and you don’t have any sunglasses. You squint because of the bright light and the hood of your car has no color because of the reflection on it. I don’t think it’s been discontinued, as Heythatslife wonders, but I could be wrong about that. I think it is probably in very limited distribution, though, and might be harder in some markets, countries, continents. It might be very easy in others, say, as Renato always tells us how abundant Aramis is down under. I imagine some online stores have it.

    Mostapha brings up Very Irresistable, and blast if that’s not one that I forgot about when I tried making a list of Givenchies. I just completely forgot that it’s out there. I’ll need to give it a sniff. I did when it first came out, and I remember it as a gourmand influenced something, but that’s not enough.

    Peevish Yolk, yes, you’ve got to get Monsieur! Monsieur is the type of scent that might even be available in those huge 400ml bottles that some European stores can carry. It’s that kind of scent--meant for he who buys big bottles in the granddad style! I sure hope it is, at least. Givenchy released a Monsieur II once and I don’t know what happened to that or even what it’s like, but I think it’s listed on the Basenotes directory and probably pops up on eBay sometimes. Not likely that anyone smells of it anymore is my guess, and not that it matters.

    Mikey and MikePerez are Xeryus lovers with me and several of you. I can’t get enough of that stuff, and you’re all right pointing out the similarity with NR. Good things come around again, I guess. Xeryus is so simple, so direct, and so complicated at the same time. Truly from an era with Kouros, JHL, Anteaus, and Aramis.

    Mikey also mentions Greenergy, along with Words. I’ve never smelled that! Curse. I’ve read here that it is straight green with very little change from top through all the drydown. I think the rep is thus that it’s a bit dull. I’m curious to hear other thoughts on it, but it’s another one Givenchy put some effort into trying out. When I find some it’ll be easy being green in it.

    Scentologist asks whether Vetyver is only in boutiques. I bought mine the week it came out at Nordstrom, which I think was the first place it was rolled out in the states. I bet other standard brick and mortar stores, such that exist anymore, now have it or can get it. I paid $65 for it, as stated above. Trumpet_Guy and I have had different experiences of its longevity. I think he’s reported it having shorter duration while I’ve gotten a full day of 12 to 16 hours from it.

    Nicolas says Pour Homme missed the mark. I’ve got to agree. To me it feels like half a scent, sort of like dried fruit is tough and raw and half the impact a good juicy slice of whatever fruit it was was. Pour Homme smells like dried fruit too, and in a good way. The dried wine, the dried wood casks, and all the other things in there are nice, but they’re just too far away in any sniff of the stuff. So sniffs of it are unsatisfying. I don’t get it, but it’s not disagreeable, and it’s not really like anything else out there. I’d certainly wear lots of things before it, like VC&A PH, for example, which is a heavy hitter, or the king of dried and almost rotting stuff, Anteaus.

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    I couldn't agree more. I ADORE INSENSE and love the rest- yes, all of them in their own ways.

    One I REALLY liked and would love to have again was Insense Ultramarine Midnight Swim . . . That was a clever scent. I sooooo wish I still had a bottle. :-) I hardly ever see anyone mention it, but, nonetheless, I thought it was brilliant!! The way the cinnamon and cypress worked together was amazing. I have NEVER come across another that has done it as well - yet . . .
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    Great post. Now I want them all!
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    Chris, I will use this as a guide to investigate the house further (I have only tried Gentleman) - thanks.
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    i LOVE pi. I want to give very irresistible and all those others a try too!
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    I'm pleased with Blue Label and I wouldn't object to wearing it. It starts off aquatic on me, then mellows down to a soft, sorta fizzy, citrus. I'll revisit this one again some time. It smells pretty good when I worked out a few hours after application. The only other Givenchy scent I tried aside from that one is Very Irresistible Fresh Attitude. It's a fresh and fruity scent. It's a bit heavy once the fizzy citrus settles down. It's not bad. I don't mind wearing that one again either. I just don't know how I feel about it's sweetness. I could say it's almost like starting off like Blue Label, then drying down to Diesel Fuel for Life, but a bit thicker in sweetness.
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    What a great post Chris. Thank you.

    It was a tiny miniature bottle of Monsieur de Givenchy that brought me into the world of fragrances as a child - there it is today at the top of my fragrance cabinet. Gentleman followed as a gift in high school.

    Your post drew me back to Gentleman. To me, it has always had an edge that's hard to describe - refined and gentleman-like but with a cocky attitude. Like when you know the teacher wants to expel you... she is desperately trying to find something to pin you down with.. but she can't find a good reason. Some part of her really likes you.
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    Gentleman is a favorite of mine, a surprising hit with the ladies as well.

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    DON'T LISTEN to Chris.

    Insense Ultramarine and Xeryus Rouge are great - just somewhat misunderstood.

    You will have a devil of a time finding a more marine scent than Insense Ultramarine, and very refined to boot.

    And if you want to wear a sweet scent, you may as well get a classy one like Xeryus Rouge.

    Oddly enough Chris's favourites - Monsieur, Gentlemen, Xeryus and Insense - never did much for me. I greatly disliked Insense for about 6 years, but now I like it a lot. Xeryus is just starting to grow on me.
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    I only have experience with Gentleman and Pour Homme Red Label. Everything I wanted to say about Gentleman has already been said by DustB and I'll just say.. he's damn right

    PH Red Label is nothing special, it's just your "safe" everyday use citrus-ginger ale-fresh cologne that can't offend anyone even if it tried to.


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    Well done Chris!
    INSENSÉ is my favorite from this house! I LOVE IT!! My thoughts truly echo your sentiments about this elixir.
    I too am in love with XERYUS. I find it interesting that a powerhouse fragrance from the 80's manages to still smell modern in todays time.
    I like GENTLEMAN a lot... but strongly prefer Bond's copy, H.O.T Always, which is even heavier on the Cinnamon, a tad bit more patchouli (my favorite note) and longer lasting.
    I haven't tried VETYVER but have read a lot about it. I'm starting to get into vetivers lately... so this really interests me.

    I'm glad Givenchy is re-issuing some of their discontinued classics with their Les Mythiques line.
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    Today I bougt a bottle Monsieur de Givenchy.At home I found out that I bougt a bottle of their Mythical serie.Is this scent reformulated or is this still the same juice like in the old bottle?On their website is this the only Monsieur still available.It smell's very good,that's for sure,but I never smelled this scent in the old package,so i like to know if they changed something more then just the bottle...........

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    Sniff, for me I think the juice is the same or pretty much the same. I'd say it's the same right off, because Givenchy never stopped making Monsieur and thus never "re-introduced" it in the new serie bottles. So I strongly doubt there's any difference. However, I'm just a consumer and there was a post here in which someone mentioned this serie line had had tweaks done to use contemporary ingredients or something. I don't recall the post so DO NOT take my memory of it for truth, and don't necessarily take the post itself for truth either. It could be wrong or could be referring to other parts of the serie, which includes several women's scents.

    That's the only hint I've encountered of a difference in the juices and it is a slight hint and a slight possibility. When I smelled the Monsieur in a serie bottle at the store it smelled the same to me. That was only a wrist test though.

    If you remain in doubt or remain concerned I'm sure online discount houses are still selling the old style bottles of the stuff, and probably pretty cheap.

    My gut says to me you have very little to worry about. If anyone else has firmer information I certainly hope he/she/they post it here to help both of us.
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    I'm not sure if this is true or not, but I heard that Givenchy made Michael Kors for Men for MK. MKfM is an excellent scent and one of my favorite modern tobacco fragrances...

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    Hate to say it, but I find most Givenchy scents inferior and lackluster when compared to other houses, namely YSL, Chanel and L'Occitane. The only one that truly rises above is Gentlemen. Everything else is mediocre to gag-inducing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manicboy View Post
    Hate to say it, but I find most Givenchy scents inferior and lackluster when compared to other houses, namely YSL, Chanel and L'Occitane. The only one that truly rises above is Gentlemen. Everything else is mediocre to gag-inducing.
    Bring on the disagreement! Part of what thinking is all about.

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    Great thread you have started Dust ... Im certain that if i went on a blind buying binge , the Givenchy one's I have tagged wouldn't let me down .. !

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    Thank you DustB, this has now sparked a massive interest in Givenchy for me!

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    a bottle of Givenchy Vetyver is on my list now.

    learned something tonight about Vetiver. According to Burr's new book pg.122 "Perfumers depended on Veiver from Montserrat but the Volcanic activity since 1995..."

    they scrambled all over the French speaking world to get supply Haiti, Réunion, China ( and then to rebalance formulae etc.

    Ever since I came here about 18 months ago the Vetiver question always arose.

    I think I learned something. He goes on to speak of the loss of supply affecting all the French houses and that quality control, toxicitys and more were a major headache. This went on to exhibit how much happier a perfumer is when he gets a few molecules manipulated just right. Instead of dealing with the hundreds of molecules of the naturals.

    a really quick read is this "The Perfect Scent" and the SJP parts have taught me nil. The Ellena quotes are worth the price though.


    Originally Hubert de Givenchy’s own personal fragrance, Vetyver, a creation from 1959, returns in this collection of 10 fragrances that were no longer available, or had become very hard to find: Les Mythiques. The launch coincides with the House of Givenchy’s 50th anniversary. Structured around vetiver from Reunion Island, Vetyver is considered a ‘must’ for fans of vetiver fragrances. Info and e-shop : www.parfumsgivenchy.com
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    A vetiver scent with forest notes intertwined with light citrus accents, spices (coriander) and the sweeter notes of sandalwood.
    Top note : Bergamot Middle note : Coriander Base note : Vetiver, Sandalwood
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    Chris,

    Thanks for this great thread! I agree entirely that the Givenchy men's line is non-traditional, strong and innovative, and often represents good value. I have and enjoy Monsieur de Givenchy, Gentleman, and Insensé.

    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    DON'T LISTEN to Chris.

    Insense Ultramarine and Xeryus Rouge are great - just somewhat misunderstood.

    You will have a devil of a time finding a more marine scent than Insense Ultramarine, and very refined to boot.

    Renato
    And thank you, Renato, for your props for Insensé Ultramarine! I tried this in an airport duty-free several weeks ago for the first time and was very impressed, for not entirely clear reasons. I had trouble to keep from smelling my wrists constantly throughout my subsequent 3-hour flight. It is clean without being overtly soapy (ala Creed's OV), and it is very persistent. I'm surprised by how often this appears on best/worst lists, particularly the latter! I just ordered a 3.4 oz. bottle of this from scentedmonkey to accompany my three 2.5 oz. bottles of Nicole Miller for Men. Talk about near-polar opposite scents! I'm looking forward to wearing Insensé Ultramarine a lot this summer, along with Bulgari's Aqua PH.
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    I'm not the biggest Givenchy fan on the planet and am not quite as in love with Gentleman as others seem to be.

    I think the opening of Gentleman is over the top and over-powering, I would go as far as to say it is anything but well rounded. However, after the first hour, it's a fabulous fragrance that certainly has a broad appeal.

    If you are going to go for a patchouli fragrance with better balance, I would wear Lagerfeld Classic, which is as powerful, but in my opinion smoother on the olfactory lobes.

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    I agree. Chuck made a solid point about the scent lasting. Nothing irritates me more than a great fragrance dissipating after a mere two hours of application. Waste of money in my honest opinion. Fragrances are an investment in ones self...make it worth your money.

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    I've neglected this thread for too long. Heavens--I've allowed Renato's and Wicozani's untruths go unchallenged for too long! A shame on my reputation, I tell you.

    Renato writes:
    Quote Originally Posted by Renato View Post
    DON'T LISTEN to Chris.

    Insense Ultramarine and Xeryus Rouge are great - just somewhat misunderstood.

    You will have a devil of a time finding a more marine scent than Insense Ultramarine, and very refined to boot.

    And if you want to wear a sweet scent, you may as well get a classy one like Xeryus Rouge.

    Oddly enough Chris's favourites - Monsieur, Gentlemen, Xeryus and Insense - never did much for me. I greatly disliked Insense for about 6 years, but now I like it a lot. Xeryus is just starting to grow on me.
    Renato
    Wicozani agrees with the Ultramarine judgment! The sky is falling, my friends, and a disaster is upon us. Renato and Wicozani have had the same KoolAide.

    DON'T LISTEN to Renato. Givenchy Insensé Ultramarine is unworthy of being sold as a body fragrance. What is it good for, smell wise? Windex--the kitchen appliance cleaner in the spray bottle. They are even the exact same color. God this stuff is awful. Don't listen to Renato. If you do, and try this awful stuff (cheap in the states at Perfumania stores, last I checked), small rodents and large bugs will chew your feet while you sleep. It's that bad. Dreck that says nothing. Has no character. Smells of too much clothes washing and too many dryer sheets. God it's awful. A smell that doesn't even speak.

    True story: back in the old Yahoo days of this forum AmirHongKong, an agressive contributor who I miss very much, asked what scent to wear when breaking up with a woman in whom he had no interest. Who knows how it even started, since he said he never had any real interest in her, but that's life for you, no? Anyway, she was devoted completely to Amir's happiness and wanted to be until the end of her days. Yikes, Amir said, I need to ask my Basenotes brethren what smell to wear when I break this heart really painfully. Can't be a nice smell, can it?

    No it can't. Givenchy Insensé Ultramarine to the rescue! There's no other scent for breaking hearts it's that bad. Says nothing. Makes smellers bored. Kills adventure. Runs away from naughtyness. The scent of naiveté, I tell you! The smell of no nose language whatsoever. Pathos in a bottle--make that bathos in a bottle. Amir thought that might be just the right ticket to persuading the woman she was better off without him. No doubt they're both better off today too--thanks to Ultramarine.

    My stars, I like a good scent that spanks me with something weird, but BELIEVE ME, there's nothing weird, there's nothing nice, there's nothing at all that makes sense or gives meaning to use of the nostrils, in Givenchy Insensé Ultramarine!

    Wear it to show you're unworthy. That's it's value. And what I think of that Renato.
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    Chris is right that I found the Givenchy Vetyver lacking in longevity. I also found that my local
    San Jose Nordstrom charges $85 for this 100ml bottle, so I think he and Jaime got their bottles
    at a lucky price. I found I couldn't get more than about one hour of smell from this one. I liked it
    a lot, but one hour is mighty short.

    I got out my bottle of Insensé the other night and found that I liked it much more than I had before.
    We'll see how a full day's wearing goes.

    Gentleman is good, but it has never knocked my socks off. I prefer Antaeus and Stardust for Men
    in the patchouli department.

    Still, Givenchy gets my respect. Good house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wicozani View Post

    And thank you, Renato, for your props for Insensé Ultramarine! I tried this in an airport duty-free several weeks ago for the first time and was very impressed, for not entirely clear reasons. I had trouble to keep from smelling my wrists constantly throughout my subsequent 3-hour flight. .
    Spot on. Guess what I'm doing right now? That's right, constantly smelling the back of my hand where I've sprayed some of this exotic liquid.

    It's a good thing that Creed never made this scent - or this board would still be waxing away elequontly and incessantly thinking of two hundred ways to describe it's mysterious qualities. Instead, they just do it about other Creed scents which are infused with whale vomit, and which don't come close to achieving what this scent achieves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post

    True story: back in the old Yahoo days of this forum AmirHongKong, an agressive contributor who I miss very much, asked what scent to wear when breaking up with a woman in whom he had no interest. Who knows how it even started, since he said he never had any real interest in her, but that's life for you, no? Anyway, she was devoted completely to Amir's happiness and wanted to be until the end of her days. Yikes, Amir said, I need to ask my Basenotes brethren what smell to wear when I break this heart really painfully. Can't be a nice smell, can it?

    No it can't. Givenchy Insensé Ultramarine to the rescue! --Chris
    Hi Chris,

    I remember that thread - and it was cruel - he probably broke her heart wearing the Ultramarine. From memory, I may have suggested something more appropriate like Quorum or What About Adam.

    True story No.2 - A friend, who happened to be the most devilishly seductive woman I've ever come across, was staying at my place. and she was and still is a scent addict. I went off to buy some food. I came back and she'd doused herself with one of my scents - guess which one? None other than the aforementioned Insense Ultramarine.

    She thought it was the best of my scents.

    In our game (that of being males), it is important to focus not on just what one as an individual may think of a scent, but rather on what the prey thinks of the scent.

    Renato
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    A rebuttle anyone?

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    Renato,
    Yes, my friend, it is indeed sad that Creed didn't make this scent. If Creed did, then at least we'd know what famous people wore it. Or, excuse me, what boring people. John C. Milquetoast would be on the Creed Ultramarine list of greats, along with Nathanial M. Blah and David B. Mungiecake.

    I also agree with you that Amir might have been wise to wear What About Adam at that crucial juncture of romantic life, but I'm comforted that you've come around to sanity regarding the delights of Quorum.

    Speaking of sanity, as True Story No.2 proves, dear readers of this thread, visit Renato, have engaging conversation, look at the telescopes, enjoy the company--great guy, thoughtful in all ways, wonderful wife, but DON'T drink the water at his house! There's something in it I tell you.
    --Chris
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    Got to test the Givenchy Vetiver last week in London at Harrods. A really great vetiver scent! Very raw vetiver mixed with a heavy dose of coriander for lift and greenness. Xyreus, Gentlemen and Vetiver are classic great scents from Givenchy - could not agree more with this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Renato,
    Or, excuse me, what boring people. John C. Milquetoast would be on the Creed Ultramarine list of greats, along with Nathanial M. Blah and David B. Mungiecake.

    --Chris
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    For those of you in the US who are familiar with Albertson's grocery stores. I found Givenchy Xeryus and Xeryus Rouge on clearance sale for 19.99 for the 1.7oz in Tampa, FL.

    I can't vouch for this being nationwide, but if you are looking for these, it may be worth a trip to your local store.

    If not, pm me, they have about 5 of each left at my local.

    cheers!
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    Insense Ultramarine is brilliant...probably THE most underrated Givenchy scent...i find it to be very complex, interesting, and unique. gotten lots of compliments when i've worn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Renato,

    Speaking of sanity, as True Story No.2 proves, dear readers of this thread, visit Renato, have engaging conversation, look at the telescopes, enjoy the company--great guy, thoughtful in all ways, wonderful wife, but DON'T drink the water at his house! There's something in it I tell you.
    --Chris
    Not you too!

    How did you know that everyone who comes to my house complains about the water? That my wife hates the water. That the woman in Story No 2 hated the water. This is a sore point.

    So - it is a bit rusty, and I do have to run the tap for 10 seconds to clear it.

    When they complain that it tastes metallic, I say - "What's the problem? You go and buy mineral water, don't you - here you get it for free."

    The really dumb part is that many of these visitors later ask me what exactly do I do to make such great cups of tea and coffee. I explain that I put the tea bag/ instant coffee into the cup, and pour in the water that I've heated in an open pan (since I dislike the water that comes out of kettles).

    I could get the pipes replaced, but then I'd have to go back to the average cups of coffee I get at everyone else's place.
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    Now I have to try Insense Ultramarine and Greenergy, two scents that I never enountered or did not try when I could.

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    I swear to God that no one, no body cares about the French losing their carefully cultivated Vetiver fields in Monserrat but everone bitches about the Vetivers on the market since 95' or so when volcanic activity quelled the harrveting of this most favored stock.
    Haitian Vetiver?? Why? Because the farmer speaks French?

    Next time I find something out I'm keeping it to myself!!

    Or did everyone know this except me already?

    If so, I'm very sorry about the ranting and childish behavior

    Good Day!!

    btw: Givenchys Vetyver (reissue) is sublime.

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    Xeryus. I have less to observe about this one, but it is similarly perfect. I think it is the house's "wild side" scent. It has a cold heart note that is steel like, geranium like, and austere. It haunts me because I know its smell even from memory--know the smell by brain alone without getting my bottle out to smell. Unforgettable. It's austere and cold, but in a way that is interesting--interesting in the sense that one wants to get closer to it to figure it out. This stuff never gets tired. This stuff is so damn cool!


    --Chris
    This Givenchy did kick my rear today. It was love at first sniff, now it's the newest member of my collection.

    Chris, your description of it pretty much nails it. I'll add Xeryus is sexy as hell too, an Alpha-male, sophisticated fragrance. Something James Bond would wear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thaifighter View Post
    For those of you in the US who are familiar with Albertson's grocery stores. I found Givenchy Xeryus and Xeryus Rouge on clearance sale for 19.99 for the 1.7oz in Tampa, FL.

    I can't vouch for this being nationwide, but if you are looking for these, it may be worth a trip to your local store.

    If not, pm me, they have about 5 of each left at my local.

    cheers!
    I picked up Givenchy Xeryus at Albertson's in Arizona today for $19.99, thanks for the tip! They had quite a few other markdowns too.

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    As of lately, i have fallen for VI Fresh attitude (and i didn't really liked the original), of course i agree with you, Givenchy frags for men give a lot to our nasal experiences. The ones that are must haves IMHO: Insensé (it's a huge deal that they haven't touched the original formula) and Vetyver (the reissue is just as good as the discontinued one, albeit different).

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredricktoo View Post
    I swear to God that no one, no body cares about the French losing their carefully cultivated Vetiver fields in Monserrat but everone bitches about the Vetivers on the market since 95' or so when volcanic activity quelled the harrveting of this most favored stock.
    Haitian Vetiver?? Why? Because the farmer speaks French?

    Next time I find something out I'm keeping it to myself!!

    Or did everyone know this except me already?

    If so, I'm very sorry about the ranting and childish behavior

    Good Day!!

    btw: Givenchys Vetyver (reissue) is sublime.
    Fredericktoo, I found your post on vetiver very instructive.

    I believe internet forums can be a bit frustrating sometimes, when a very relevant post gets no answer or no recognition. But it doesn't necessairily mean it went unnoticed.

    So, I see what you mean (and/or feel).

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    Givenchy are really really great. Tough call between them and YSL for best mens designer house.

    Givenchy Pi is my favourite, and very Irresistable is very pleasant, despite the hate it gets here.
    Gentleman is also top notch

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