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    Default Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    In his new book, he says "this is what guys who smelled bad used to smell like. It smells great." That's from page 320. Do you think he means that guys tried to cover up their body odor by using a lot of JSA, and succeeded rather well with this approach? I really can't think of any other interpretation.
    Thanks.
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    It was Sanchez that wrote that review I believe, and I would interpret it as a "what happen to the good ole days" sort of approach. Now most guys smell generic and "sporty", and back in the 70's they would actually smell good. Just my 2 cents of course, but I think its all about nostalgia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    "this is what guys who smelled bad used to smell like. It smells great."
    I think she means bad, as in slightly dangerous, but gorgeous. I'm sure if Ms. Sanchez's nose was as smart then, as it is now, she would have turned it up at those, "bad guys."
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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Yes, it was TS (I still have trouble understanding why she would review some men's frags that he doesn't and vice versa), but the other idea I had after I posted that is that it might mean that in those days guys sweated a lot and the mixture of JSA with "man juice" was an excellent combination (to her nose) but that today most guys are too "clean," and of course everything is air conditioned in the summer, unlike back then, etc. But then this brings up the question about whether JSA is good if you bath often!

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    What Sanchez says is very true. Sex appeal, as I remember it, was a cheap stinky fragrance. It was not elegant and it never pretended to be refined or soapy. Very musky and woody and it was perfect to cover (cover? I should say blend with) B.O. Kinda like Like Tabu for Man. My father used to wear it . And yet, nowadays it is reminiscent of another era, of a lost tradition, it is an example of a dying family of scents. Back then it smelled bad. Today (because of nostalgia, anachronism and the almost forgotten boldness) it smells great.

    Do I sound like a 60 year old? meh, whatever
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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    In his new book, he says "this is what guys who smelled bad used to smell like. It smells great."
    I think it means that, back before men's fragrances took a turn toward the antiseptic, the worst men's fragrance was still pretty damn good. I agree.

    By the way, I am old enough to remember the 1970s, and no, we didn't sweat more then, we didn't have worse B.O., we did have indoor plumbing, we did take baths, and our knuckles did not drag on the ground when we walked.

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    I agree that she means that JSA is a fragrance that has something to say unlike--and better than--most designer and even some niche scents these days. It's ironic that this thread came up since I was wearing it a few days ago and at the end of the day, I thought to myself, "What a pleasure it was to smell this all day long!"
    Keep in mind that it's the only fragrance left from the original Jovan line up (other than Musk). There must be a reason for it. Jovan had countless other titles that were wonderful too but are long gone.
    I think JSA is a great amber/patchouli dominant scent (plus sandalwood/musk). It's got projection, sillage, and longevity so you need to apply just enough and not overdo it. It'll get you more compliments than many other scents.
    When I compare a variety of amber based scents (from SL, Profumum, IPdF...to L'Occitane), the difference in the quality of the amber note istelf is not much. This, IMHO, makes JSA an outstanding value.

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Hey, I was around back then, and we didn't have central AC like now, and the seats of the cars were mostly vinyl, and many cars did not have AC, etc., so I'm talking from personal experience (not necessarily pleasant, olfactorily). LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Advocate View Post
    ... no, we didn't sweat more then, we didn't have worse B.O., we did have indoor plumbing, we did take baths, and our knuckles did not drag on the ground when we walked.
    ...but we did wear ghastly buccaneer shirts, open to the bottom of the rib cage, with tight bell-bottom jeans, waffle stompers, and belt buckles the size of Rhode Island. We wore Brut, drove drunk, and "watched" movies at the drive-in theatre with girls who had every single hair hanging directly toward the center of Earth.

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    Hey, I wasn't here in the 70's (though I remember mexico's late 80's which makes it pretty much the same)
    but the point is that I believe back then people weren't a bunch of clean freaks...

    During the 80s: I am wearing kouros. I smell like urinal cake and I like it!
    Different paradigms.
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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Quote Originally Posted by irish View Post
    ...but the point is that I believe that back then people weren't a bunch of clean freaks...
    During the 80s: I am wearing kouros. I smell like urinal cake and I like it!
    Different paradigms.
    Definitely. I wore one of my old scents (Givenchy Gentleman) to work recently, even below 1970's levels, and it was still weirding out my coworkers. I've eased off on them recently, wearing light scents. But I'm going to wear Kouros soon. I'll just put a warning sign on my door! Danger! Serious Fragrance at Work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Definitely. I wore one of my old scents (Givenchy Gentleman) to work recently, even below 1970's levels, and it was still weirding out my coworkers. I've eased off on them recently, wearing light scents.
    Same sort of thing happened to me recently. Only in my case it was Safari. Way too heavy to be enjoyable according to my present taste and this one is not even THAT old.
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    Jumping into a conversation that started awhile back: first, Sex Appeal for Men, IMO, is not a "cheap, stinky fragrance" and never was. Inexpensive yes. If men sprayed it all over their bodies...that's another story. The word "cheap" gets applied by in their book to something like Brut...and even Obsession (which I agree with, a kind of "intentionally cheap" in defense of that CK creation). As for "stinky," I find 1-2 shots of the cologne excellent in the office or anywhere even at a barbecue. It has an overall cool sense to it, not a punch in the gut spice. The intelligence of this oriental is not to go to powdery or vanilla or cinnamon or even into a patchouli meltdown...but a kind a sandalwoord herbal slight patchouli...which I can even pull off wearing even in warmer weather...in some ways, I consider it a kind of "bay rum" not in its composition (obviously minus a strong clove which even a Pierre Cardin retains) but in its intentions of building on "balanced spice" with herbal accords and the patchouli toned down...it DOES build on that tradition including the old Old Spice...it evolution is balanced...I would say that on first application there is a sort of fleeting root beer scent I get...but Sex Appeal is not the dizzying Halston Z-14, also excellent in Perfume...I prefer Sex Appeal... all the way through...

    BTW, Obsession for Men is rated a cheap Oriental vs. an herbal Oriental and gets a 3 to Sex Appeal's 4.

    One basenotes reviewer describes Obsession for Men as "campy" and I think that adjective is apt. Frankly I think oriental fragrances are one of the hardest types to pull off (and to wear)...

    A belated ditto for Renaissance Man's fine treatment of this fine scent. And yes it is great to wear this stuff all day...
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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Quote Originally Posted by ortho123 View Post
    Jumping into a conversation that started awhile back: first, Sex Appeal for Men, IMO, is not a "cheap, stinky fragrance" and never was. Inexpensive yes. If men sprayed it all over their bodies...that's another story. The word "cheap" gets applied by in their book to something like Brut...and even Obsession (which I agree with, a kind of "intentionally cheap" in defense of that CK creation). As for "stinky," I find 1-2 shots of the cologne excellent in the office or anywhere even at a barbecue. It has an overall cool sense to it, not a punch in the gut spice. The intelligence of this oriental is not to go to powdery or vanilla or cinnamon or even into a patchouli meltdown...but a kind a sandalwoord herbal slight patchouli...which I can even pull off wearing even in warmer weather...in some ways, I consider it a kind of "bay rum" not in its composition (obviously minus a strong clove which even a Pierre Cardin retains) but in its intentions of building on "balanced spice" with herbal accords and the patchouli toned down...it DOES build on that tradition including the old Old Spice...it evolution is balanced...I would say that on first application there is a sort of fleeting root beer scent I get...but Sex Appeal is not the dizzying Halston Z-14, also excellent in Perfume...I prefer Sex Appeal... all the way through...

    BTW, Obsession for Men is rated a cheap Oriental vs. an herbal Oriental and gets a 3 to Sex Appeal's 4.

    One basenotes reviewer describes Obsession for Men as "campy" and I think that adjective is apt. Frankly I think oriental fragrances are one of the hardest types to pull off (and to wear)...

    A belated ditto for Renaissance Man's fine treatment of this fine scent. And yes it is great to wear this stuff all day...
    Wonderfully said ortho123.

    I happen to love JSA also - although I've been looking for a vintage bottle of it online, as the new stuff (on the shelf at Target) has much less longevity.
    Selling some used fragrances here

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Great thread. Buuuuut...

    Look how we're all going meta-level on the meaning of the scent. If anything makes me want to break out a scent and give it a run for my nose, it's this fine and thoughtful review! I've got JSA around somewhere, time to break that stuff out!

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    JSA was, and will always remain a great frag. Cheap to buy, yes. But not "cheap" in character.
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    I picked up a bottle of the 3 oz cologne recently for $10. As far as longevity, 2 shots lasts for me fine.

    I have to say that in the current "tradition" of a plethora of "clean" scents what we have are cologne offerings something in the realm of "I like this very similar $50 or more dollar scent better?" ... and it's not that human beings are becoming capable of more and more subtlety...

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Damn Sex Appeal is some vile stufff... along with Brut it's the only cologne to make my eyes water.

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    I'm the OP, and I was just trying to figure out what the author was getting at, because it didn't make sense to me. It really wasn't meant to be about the frag itself. I don't really care what was meant at this point, to be honest, because I now realize that this is too "rough" a formulation for my olfactory sensibilities. If I were to try and calibrate to it, it would "warp" my ability to appreciate other frags, which is something I didn't know at the time I began this thread. Whether it's "good" or "bad" in some "objective" sense is really not all that interesting a question to me now ( though again, that's not what this thread was supposed to be about).

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    Fine, Big Punisher, there are folks that don't like Polo as well.

    Biglsy, I'm inclined towards Ruggles' interp but feel free to post more of Tania Sanchez's blurb...

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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Well, that's why I like to use quotation marks. In this case, I would've written "bad" if I were her, or using parentheses, done this: (bad meaning tough, macho, whatever).

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    I know what you mean...is that the whoe statement about JSA? If so it is an ambiguity since "bad" is not such a part of usage to not require quotations...

    Howvever, in The Elements of Style approach to writing one is encourgaged to eschew the use of quotes...

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    Yes, I know that italics are the "professional" way to go, and if there was a key on my keyboard that was like the quotation keys but instead put the word in italics, I would certainly do that. The academics need to adapt to computer keyboard realities! LOL.
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    So that's the whole blurb on JSA?

    By being correct accordng to Strunk we're left with all ths...bittom line she likes the smell and gives it an excellent rating, a 4...

    the Creedfolk are not the biggest fans of that book...

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    No, she also says that JSA is what cheesy guys smelled like, before a great cultural change occurred, or something like that. Anyway, there are frags that probably meet her JSA criteria being produced these days (or still available and really cheap), such as the KISS Him frag, which I find much better blended and actually interesting and wearable.

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    As I came from behind of Iron Curtain, I`m not sure if JSA would fit - but nowadays bloody sexy thrash of 80`s came back (into fashion, at least - stiletto heels, leopard skins, crazy prints, etc.).

    So should be 80`s frags - like Obsession for men CK, Kouros, etc. Let`s take our pseudo-vintages from the closets!!! we are trendy again!!!
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    Default Re: Explanation for Turin's take on Jovan Sex Appeal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigsly View Post
    In his new book, he says "this is what guys who smelled bad used to smell like. It smells great."
    Is there a great scent for guys who want to smell bad now?

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    Okay, I think the other line was: "When will cheesy guys ever smell this good again?"

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    Thanks for going the distance on this one, Biglsy...

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    Now I'm thinking that what she meant was that JSA is the kind of frag certain kinds of guys used to wear to cover up their nasty smells. Presumably, these were the guys who didn't shower daily, nor care all that much about how they smelled. They just sprayed on that JSA until they thought it "covered" everything up. Anyone have an alternative view?

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