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    How is it pronounced? I've heard "neesh", "nish", and "nitch". I would like to know so I could actually use this word in speech and not sound foolish.

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    I have always pronounced it "nitch". Any other way just sounds weird to me.

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    Neeeeesh
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    One of my professors for a marketing course would repeatedly pronounce it as 'nitch' as in 'snitch' and I had always heard it as 'neesh'...Hearing nitch this nitch that was quite vexing for some reason...Neesh sounds elegant.

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    I say say "nisch" due to my German upbringing.

    Now let's say "cache" as "cahsh" instead of "ceh-shay".

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    Nish sounds pretentious, at least to me.

    My biology and economy professors have always pronounced the term as 'nitch'.

    I guess it is like the word Latino, Latina vs. Latin. Seriously people, if you have a word for the concept in English... why use another language? why un-anglicise what has already been anglicized?
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    Neesh. Born and raised in a small Ohio farmtown. It was neesh then; it's neesh now.

    A nitch is a recess in a wall or a habitat for which a person or group is particularly suited.
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    I say NEECH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSlarty View Post
    I say say "nisch" due to my German upbringing.
    The French word niche is Niesche in German, pronounces the same, except you don't hear the ending e in French words (almost).
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    I'll vote for "neesh," although most dictionaries allow "nitch" as a second choice; but since we're talking perfume here, my tendency is to go with the French way of doing things: you know, savoir faire and all that...
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    The most likely way I can imagine to write the correct pronounciation for a native nglish speaker of the french word "niche" is for sure "neesh" even if the most puritan french speakers would argue, as Narcus highlights, that the final e (sounding close to the o in world) of niche is almost not pronounced, but not completely disapeared

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    Indeed Magnifiscent, the correct pronunciation would be something like neeshuh with the pronunciation of the uh part being almost non-existent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fresh2def View Post
    How is it pronounced? I've heard "neesh", "nish", and "nitch". I would like to know so I could actually use this word in speech and not sound foolish.
    neesh.

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    In biology, the term /niche/ is used plenty - with the same semantic "idea" as in the perfume business. I seem to recall it being pronounced |nitch| - way back when I was taking those biology courses. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary accept three: Pronunciation: \ˈnich also ˈnēsh or ˈnish\

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    Penis.

    Figuratively speaking, that is

    Not directly related, but having EASY access and using Niche of anything (perfumes, clothing, you name it) tends to transform n00bs into a "Penis" ... I've come across a few of this breed on Basenotes myself.

    That said, i'm worried about becoming one of those myself, given my current pace into fragrance niche-dom

    On topic though, I'd pronounce it as "Nish".
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    I would say nish, but what do I know? I am not a native English speaker and I am usually corrected by SA even when I say "eau de toilette" or names that start with a "j" such as Jean.

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    The correct pronunciation is "neesh".

    "Nitch" is just plain wrong to my ears. If it were "nitch" it would be spelled that way, it's not, it has an 'e' at the end which softens the 'i' and makes the 'ch' soft.

    It's an endless dilemma though isn't it, pronunciation? Anything French leaves you in a state of flux, you can either end up sounding like a pretentious w@nker or a completely clumsy muppet.

    Take Infusion D'Iris for example.

    It looks like "Infusion Duh Eye-ris" - but that just sounds cack.

    The correct pronunciation with phonics should be "Ahn-fue-zyon D'ee Reese", but then say that to most people who only know it the first way and you'll get blank looks...
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    Coming from a nation where English is a must-master lang, i believe it should be pronounce as "nish or neesh" say dish of fish, and replace the first letters with "N" and you should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewfoo View Post
    Coming from a nation where English is a must-master lang, i believe it should be pronounce as "nish or neesh" say dish of fish, and replace the first letters with "N" and you should be fine.
    Except for the fact that 'niche' is as French as it can get.

    So neesh would be the correct way of saying it, if you don't English-fy it. Your examples of dish and fish are not entirely correct, as the 'i' is too short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    The correct pronunciation is "neesh".

    "Nitch" is just plain wrong to my ears. If it were "nitch" it would be spelled that way, it's not, it has an 'e' at the end which softens the 'i' and makes the 'ch' soft.

    It's an endless dilemma though isn't it, pronunciation? Anything French leaves you in a state of flux, you can either end up sounding like a pretentious w@nker or a completely clumsy muppet.

    Take Infusion D'Iris for example.

    It looks like "Infusion Duh Eye-ris" - but that just sounds cack.

    The correct pronunciation with phonics should be "Ahn-fue-zyon D'ee Reese", but then say that to most people who only know it the first way and you'll get blank looks...
    Well, you know, as a person who speaks pretty decent French, I don't feel the least bit pretentious pronouncing French words in French; I'm just saying French words the only way I know how. I know that when I'm talking to people who wouldn't recognize the French pronunciation of a name, I have to compromise a bit, but it still feels wrong. I don't distort the sound of English so a foreigner who doesn't speak it well will be able to understand me...

    I know some people are going to say that French is not the language of the United States or Great Britain, but still, French names are French. With geographical names, we pronounce Paris and Bordeaux as if they were English words, all the while spelling them like French. The French have their own name for London, "Londres." But that's because they have their own word for it. In English we don't have an English name for Infusion d'Iris, unless you just want to translate it into English; then call it Iris Infusion. I really do think most SAs recognize the French pronunciation of French names, though.

    If you don't speak French, then maybe it would be good to learn enough "perfume French" to get by. After all, if you love fragrances, you might be willing to work at some of the cultural aspects of your hobby...
    And don't worry; it doesn't have to be perfect. Most adult learners never lose their foreign accent in a second language. We all just do the best we can.
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    For some reason now I am envisioning a Monty Python sketch of the "Knights That Say Niche", but they all pronounce it differently

    Personally, I prounounce it "neesh".
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    I do speak French and in French, it is "neesh", definitely.

    This is the first meaning of a "Niche" in French :
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    Night is right , french is my native language and it is definitely neesh the best pronunciation of Niche... And by the way the most common sense of that word in french translate in Doghouse... ;-)

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    JaimeB, man,
    I'm almost moved to tears in reading your post. So it's not impossible to find an american that doesn't think "WTF, I'm american, people from all around the world have to learn english, I don't need to know any other language"!
    Niche actually is french and french should stay, for the same reason I always get angry in italian when they want to look cool using a foreign word and pronouncing it in the wrong way. Better they use the italian one rather of pronouncing it in the most unlikely ways.
    After all I think making the effort to try to learn at least few foreign words we want to use, their meaning and the correct pronounciation it's not impossible.

    Quote Originally Posted by JaimeB View Post
    Well, you know, as a person who speaks pretty decent French, I don't feel the least bit pretentious pronouncing French words in French; I'm just saying French words the only way I know how. I know that when I'm talking to people who wouldn't recognize the French pronunciation of a name, I have to compromise a bit, but it still feels wrong. I don't distort the sound of English so a foreigner who doesn't speak it well will be able to understand me...

    I know some people are going to say that French is not the language of the United States or Great Britain, but still, French names are French. With geographical names, we pronounce Paris and Bordeaux as if they were English words, all the while spelling them like French. The French have their own name for London, "Londres." But that's because they have their own word for it. In English we don't have an English name for Infusion d'Iris, unless you just want to translate it into English; then call it Iris Infusion. I really do think most SAs recognize the French pronunciation of French names, though.

    If you don't speak French, then maybe it would be good to learn enough "perfume French" to get by. After all, if you love fragrances, you might be willing to work at some of the cultural aspects of your hobby...
    And don't worry; it doesn't have to be perfect. Most adult learners never lose their foreign accent in a second language. We all just do the best we can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaimeB View Post
    Well, you know, as a person who speaks pretty decent French, I don't feel the least bit pretentious pronouncing French words in French; I'm just saying French words the only way I know how. I know that when I'm talking to people who wouldn't recognize the French pronunciation of a name, I have to compromise a bit, but it still feels wrong. I don't distort the sound of English so a foreigner who doesn't speak it well will be able to understand me...

    I know some people are going to say that French is not the language of the United States or Great Britain, but still, French names are French. With geographical names, we pronounce Paris and Bordeaux as if they were English words, all the while spelling them like French. The French have their own name for London, "Londres." But that's because they have their own word for it. In English we don't have an English name for Infusion d'Iris, unless you just want to translate it into English; then call it Iris Infusion. I really do think most SAs recognize the French pronunciation of French names, though.

    If you don't speak French, then maybe it would be good to learn enough "perfume French" to get by. After all, if you love fragrances, you might be willing to work at some of the cultural aspects of your hobby...
    And don't worry; it doesn't have to be perfect. Most adult learners never lose their foreign accent in a second language. We all just do the best we can.

    Hi Jaime,

    For the record, I am English but speak fluent French with, I have been told by the French a very good French accent.

    I think the problem is perhaps a UK cultural one, where you are seen as showing off if you pronounce French perfume names with the appropriate pronunciation. Plus, the English traditionally don't like the French very much (I do, but then I like their wines, women and food) since we have been at war with them on and off for hundreds of years.

    Having said all that of course, as a man in his mid-forties, I no longer give a toss what others think of me and will talk about Cartier Declaration not as "Deck-la-ray-shun" but Day-kla-ra-cyon" just simply because it's more accurate. That accute accent on the "e" is there for a reason.

    Maybe we should have a lexicon of pronunciation in the Basenotes directory or in the listing for each frag a phonetic breakdown for the correct pronunciation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HDS1963 View Post
    Hi Jaime,

    For the record, I am English but speak fluent French with, I have been told by the French a very good French accent.

    I think the problem is perhaps a UK cultural one, where you are seen as showing off if you pronounce French perfume names with the appropriate pronunciation. Plus, the English traditionally don't like the French very much (I do, but then I like their wines, women and food) since we have been at war with them on and off for hundreds of years.

    Having said all that of course, as a man in his mid-forties, I no longer give a toss what others think of me and will talk about Cartier Declaration not as "Deck-la-ray-shun" but Day-kla-ra-cyon" just simply because it's more accurate. That accute accent on the "e" is there for a reason.

    Maybe we should have a lexicon of pronunciation in the Basenotes directory or in the listing for each frag a phonetic breakdown for the correct pronunciation!
    Somebody once posted a link to a website that would give you a wmv sound file of any word you typed in in French. I wonder if we could locate that link again and put it in a "sticky" post or something. It would help our linguistically challenged friends! The only drawback is that I have no recollection of exactly where in the Basenotes archive this link is buried...

    BTW, I admire you for your appreciation of the French. Here in the United States we have a few francophobes, too. During the beginning of the Iraq fiasco, when the French government refused to commit troops and criticized Bush for his Iraq policy, we had this episode of restaurants re-christening French fries ("chips" to you Brits) "freedom fries." We love their wine, their fashions, their perfumes, their sense of style, their cuisine... but we're just damned jealous is all! Oh well, comme disent les français: «Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose!»
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