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    Default Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    So it seems to me like Bay Rum is a lot like a cola -- there are many types put out by different houses based on the same concept.

    As far as I know, Bay Rum is not a smell that occurs naturally on its own. For instance, there is no such thing as a "Bay Rum plant" that you can walk up to and smell.

    Are there any other fragrance types like this? I suppose the 4711 "Eau de Cologne" is another type as well as the different versions of "Florida Water." So that's three.

    I know we have our countless "lavender" and "vetyver" (or "vetiver"), but those are actual flowers, plants, etc.

    And I know we have a ton of "Eternity" and "Cool Water" copies out there, but that's not what I really mean either, since they all go by different names.

    Any others that I'm missing?

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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Amber. The scent we smell as amber does not exist in nature, and like Bay Rum every perfume house seems to have a unique recipe that distinguishes their amber from others.
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Also, many houses seem to stock a lime cologne. These are the ones my husband likes best. They can vary widely!

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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    There are tons of such fragrance types in old perfumery handbooks from the days before brands, most are forgotten now. some better known ones, many started out as medicines (EdC was originally ingested):
    Eau du Portugal, essentially an orange water
    Eau d'Hongrie (Hungarian water), a rosemary water and the basis of many Eau de Cologne recipes
    Cuir Russie (Russian Leather) and Spanish Leather - perfumes originally made for scenting leather gloves, but nowadays evoking the the smell of scented leathers.
    Eau de Quinine - orignally for hair care, believe, a typical barbershop scent thus - versions by Pinaud, Crown, Trumper,
    The modern perfume category fougère (fern) was originally narrowly defined in this way - think Penhaligon's English Fern, Crown Fougère, Trumper Wild Fern, Houbigant Fougère Royale - all very similar. Today Fougère is a much broader category, of course.

    also:
    Eau de Carmes (Carmelite water)
    Eau d'Arquebusier / Acqua Mirabilis (from 75 herbs, organic cosmetics firm Farfalla maks this based on an old recipe to treat musketeer injuries)
    and Venetian Water, Imperial Water etc. pp.
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    I'd love to own some Eau d'Hongrie, Eau de Portugal, Bay Rhum, and Lime Water.

    Unfortunately all these seem to have either vanished from perfumery, or are now limited to a few niche houses.
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Quote Originally Posted by mlt.perfume View Post
    I'd love to own some Eau d'Hongrie, Eau de Portugal, Bay Rhum, and Lime Water.

    Unfortunately all these seem to have either vanished from perfumery, or are now limited to a few niche houses.
    Try Fragonard, a French house reasonably priced, - I wouldn't call it a niche house- like Molinard in Grasse, and with a store popular with tourists in Paris, and on their own website (although shipping charges are high). They have Eau d'Hongrie of your list above, and maybe others. I have Eau d'Hongrie in a sampler of six mens' colognes bought through the internet. As colognes they are, of course, short-lasting. Very short-lasting.

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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Cologne Russe is next one. It`s typical cologne with some warm (poudre-amber-musk-leather) sillage
    Vetiver The Great!!!

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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Quote Originally Posted by the_good_life View Post
    There are tons of such fragrance types in old perfumery handbooks from the days before brands, most are forgotten now. some better known ones, many started out as medicines (EdC was originally ingested):
    Eau du Portugal, essentially an orange water
    Eau d'Hongrie (Hungarian water), a rosemary water and the basis of many Eau de Cologne recipes
    Cuir Russie (Russian Leather) and Spanish Leather - perfumes originally made for scenting leather gloves, but nowadays evoking the the smell of scented leathers.
    Eau de Quinine - orignally for hair care, believe, a typical barbershop scent thus - versions by Pinaud, Crown, Trumper,
    The modern perfume category fougère (fern) was originally narrowly defined in this way - think Penhaligon's English Fern, Crown Fougère, Trumper Wild Fern, Houbigant Fougère Royale - all very similar. Today Fougère is a much broader category, of course.

    also:
    Eau de Carmes (Carmelite water)
    Eau d'Arquebusier / Acqua Mirabilis (from 75 herbs, organic cosmetics firm Farfalla maks this based on an old recipe to treat musketeer injuries)
    and Venetian Water, Imperial Water etc. pp.
    This is awesome. I've got Crown Eau de Quinine and wear it on the rare hot day that I'm exposed to here in the Bay Area, but I had no idea on the origin of this.
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Quote Originally Posted by mlt.perfume View Post
    I'd love to own some Eau d'Hongrie, Eau de Portugal, Bay Rhum, and Lime Water.

    Unfortunately all these seem to have either vanished from perfumery, or are now limited to a few niche houses.
    Geo F. Trumper has a good Bay Rum, and it's pretty reasonably priced.

    Regarding the OP, I'd think that "cologne" itself is a type of fragrance that has been reinterpreted over and over by different perfumers. But I'm not sure what constitutes a "real cologne."
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    "For instance, there is no such thing as a "Bay Rum plant" that you can walk up to and smell."

    In a way, there is a bay rum plant: pimento racemosa, the West Indian bay. Theoretically, a bay rum should be an infusion of that plant, which will have a eugenol-rich, clovey aroma.

    I feel like the 'vetiver' style of cologne falls into a category as you describe: many of the 'vetiver' colognes seem to me to have little or no vetiver aroma in them; each house seems to have its proprietary assembly of ingredients to 'suggest' vetiver, which may range from tart citrus/verbena to musk (Fragonard) to woody patchouli (Guerlain) to vannilic (l'Occitane) juniper (Malizia) or household bleach (Creed).

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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    Quote Originally Posted by surreality View Post
    Amber. The scent we smell as amber does not exist in nature, and like Bay Rum every perfume house seems to have a unique recipe that distinguishes their amber from others.
    This is a good example.
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    Default Re: Bay Rum is a "type" of cologne...are there any others?

    "Colonia" type scents perhaps?

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