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    I seriously wonder. It's a manufacturer like any other, but it's a very odd minefield as well. Seems elements about it's sales life can't be discussed without it being defended from different elements. The result is very tawdry.

    It can and will be discussed, however. It makes scents so it gets discussed here. I don't want members to get in the way of that, or to intimidate other members into holding back their thoughts, or make many threads into referendums on the house instead of discussions of the house's products or other elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Get off it. There are intelligent and thoughtful comments on this thread, and it's not cool to discourage that. Further, there are members who have specifically stated that they make comments and observations about the house's issues separate from likes and dislikes of their products, yet you continue to try to mock and squelch such. The house advertises as it advertises and thus gets comments and thoughts on that.
    Thanks, DustB, for the common sense approach you've taken. It shouldn't be up to one BN member to ruin a discussion because they don't like the topic. If another house took the same marketing tact we'd be talking about that company. For example, Serge Lutens has taken much criticism on this board because of their 'non-export' line of fragrances.

    I am curious - and perhaps someone knows more than I - as to why Turin would get into the subject. Is he just reporting or did something happen? I notice he also pans nearly every single Bond No. 9 fragrance - none are higher than 4 stars and I think only 1 or 2 are even that high. Meanwhile, a lot of 5 star fragrances are Guerlain and Chanel, and even when he criticizes the Chanels he doesn't like he sometimes makes mention of their use of high quality materials.

    Basically I find the whole book interesting on many levels.

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    i hate H.M. with all my guts...recently i happened to try Vanilla Extasy by Montale (niche?), which is an exact replica of the same..might be better thats it. but again, i hate it equally. tomorrow if Creed releases a scent with the same ingredients, i am still bound to hate it. and let me tell you, 90% of Bners would follow the above practice. i don't care if Burr thinks H.M. is one of the most beautifully crafted scent..or if LT gives it 7 stars or if monica belluci claims she gets orgasm whn she wears H.M .how does it matter? i really fail to understand such basic outcry towards advertisements and the snoberry.

    with regards to Mike, i really fail to understand his obsession towards Creed..i mean with all due respect, give the brand a freaking break and try to guide people as opposed to defending it blindly. why isit so difficult to accept the fact that they do indeed use Royals and stars as a mean to show they are elite, there is a bit of snoberry involved, same is the case with Chanel and thousand of other brands which use some or the other way to show they are different and not for the masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    For example, Serge Lutens has taken much criticism on this board because of their 'non-export' line of fragrances.
    I can rationalize the reason to a degree so. It may be nonsense but I tell myself "it's because the materials used aren't allowed in the US" so some crap like that. But really it's just silly to make certain fragrances exclusive and others not.

    How come any book I've read have I seen these prestigious people mention Creed?

    For example: Audrey Hepburn and Spring Flower.

    I bought Spring Flower for my mother because of the PR's claim that it was made for Audrey Hepburn. (I did sample it first to make sure I liked it and to think if my mother would, too) My mother is an avid Audrey Hepburn fanatic. When she opened it she was speechless... in a bad way. I said it was a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn. She said she never heard of Creed but she knew that Givenchy made a perfume and her fashions for her.

    Curious, I went upstairs to her library of 20 or so book on Audrey Hepburn and looked for Givenchy or Creed in the indexes. Givenchy was mentioned and I found a remarked about L'Interdit being worn exclusively by Hepburn on one of the movie sets.

    No mention of Creed. No mention of Spring Flower.

    No mention of Creed on the Hepburn's website for that matter.

    The PR that I read (and can no longer find on Creed's official website) stated, "a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn" never does it say she wore it, liked it or even smelled it. Let a bitter taste in my mouth.

    I like a few of Creed fragrances and I have nothing against how good they smell. But the way they present themselves is so cocky that it becomes irritating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcus View Post
    Other than an average Creed, a genuine Rolex is still top quality, I believe.
    I wrote about mechanical watches for several years. Under the hood, Rolex is only of average quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    I wrote about mechanical watches for several years. Under the hood, Rolex is only of average quality.
    Since you brought this up, I'm a watch enthusiast and was going to say the same thing... Rolex has the greatest brand recognition, and charges a super-premium price, but if I were going to spend Rolex money on a watch there are many brands I'd choose first (Audemars Piquet, Bell & Ross, or Hublot).

    The analogy is apt.... Creed has perhaps the greatest recognition as a 'niche' brand (they even sell at costco.com!) and makes the most claims of celebrity association, which thus brings it so much attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSlarty View Post
    I can rationalize the reason to a degree so. It may be nonsense but I tell myself "it's because the materials used aren't allowed in the US" so some crap like that. But really it's just silly to make certain fragrances exclusive and others not.

    How come any book I've read have I seen these prestigious people mention Creed?

    For example: Audrey Hepburn and Spring Flower.

    I bought Spring Flower for my mother because of the PR's claim that it was made for Audrey Hepburn. (I did sample it first to make sure I liked it and to think if my mother would, too) My mother is an avid Audrey Hepburn fanatic. When she opened it she was speechless... in a bad way. I said it was a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn. She said she never heard of Creed but she knew that Givenchy made a perfume and her fashions for her.

    Curious, I went upstairs to her library of 20 or so book on Audrey Hepburn and looked for Givenchy or Creed in the indexes. Givenchy was mentioned and I found a remarked about L'Interdit being worn exclusively by Hepburn on one of the movie sets.

    No mention of Creed. No mention of Spring Flower.

    No mention of Creed on the Hepburn's website for that matter.

    The PR that I read (and can no longer find on Creed's official website) stated, "a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn" never does it say she wore it, liked it or even smelled it. Let a bitter taste in my mouth.

    I like a few of Creed fragrances and I have nothing against how good they smell. But the way they present themselves is so cocky that it becomes irritating.
    L'interdit wasn't commissioned by Audrey Hepburn. It was made for her (and later gifted to her) by Hubert Givenchy in 1957-58, who for some reason or the other was infactuated with her. During those years, Hepburn was at the height of her popularity. Spring Flower was commissioned by Hepburn herself from the house of Creed in 1980-1981. She was around 52 at that time, and way past her peak/popularity. Hence the mention of L'interdit in some of her bios while she was on movie sets (she used to wear Ivoire de Balmain before she was gifted L'interdit by Givenchy). Smell the recent demure reformulated L'interdit and you will see that Givenchy tried to relaunch it as a Spring Flower for the masses. The only concrete way to confirm these claims is to audit Givenchy and Creed records ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    I wrote about mechanical watches for several years. Under the hood, Rolex is only of average quality.
    I don't want to divert from the main subject, and I certainly have no interest in adding to the image of Rolex watches. It's just that in Switzerland where people generally take a little pride in the quality of their watch making industry, Rolexes are considered as quality watches on one hand and a total bluff on the other. (Swiss usually wear other watches, also in the high end sector.) I am neither specialized nor a watch collector myself, but I have been told that a Rolex reaches good prices even on the second hand and collectors markets. In these sectors of the market quality seems to matter more than prestige, I thought. Can you tell me who the effective owners of the 'Rolex' brand are, and where watches are actually made and assembled, Carlos ?
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    creed topics...hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    The only concrete way to confirm these claims is to audit Givenchy and Creed records ...
    Then I don't believe anything you said.

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    [QUOTE=narcus;1281203. Can you tell me who the effective owners of the 'Rolex' brand are, and where watches are actually made and assembled ?[/QUOTE]

    Rolex watches are ridiculously expensive in the US - regardless of whether sold at an authorized dealer, non-authorized dealer, or on the secondary market. The people who buy them are people with lots of money but little interest learning about high end watches. They know that Rolexes are status symbols and want them for that reason. Dealers tell customers that they take a year to build each one by hand in Switzerland, etc. This image as a status symbol is reinforced among younger people with references in rap songs. As I said before, people who are into high-end watches are aware of the many, many other brands of high-end watches better than Rolex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    Rolex watches are ridiculously expensive in the US - regardless of whether sold at an authorized dealer, non-authorized dealer, or on the secondary market. The people who buy them are people with lots of money but little interest learning about high end watches. They know that Rolexes are status symbols and want them for that reason. Dealers tell customers that they take a year to build each one by hand in Switzerland, etc. This image as a status symbol is reinforced among younger people with references in rap songs. As I said before, people who are into high-end watches are aware of the many, many other brands of high-end watches better than Rolex.
    agreed. i have NEVER seen a Rolex which even remotely appealed to my tastes, however it's the NAME they're paying for...and the feeling of power when someone looks at their watch and sees the name "Rolex" on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    I am curious - and perhaps someone knows more than I - as to why Turin would get into the subject. Is he just reporting or did something happen? I notice he also pans nearly every single Bond No. 9 fragrance - none are higher than 4 stars and I think only 1 or 2 are even that high. Meanwhile, a lot of 5 star fragrances are Guerlain and Chanel, and even when he criticizes the Chanels he doesn't like he sometimes makes mention of their use of high quality materials.

    Basically I find the whole book interesting on many levels.
    Same here... Turin did all the Creed reviews and clearly has something against them as a whole. Sanchez did all the Bond reviews and has that same hatred for those. Oh well... it made them look very biased and unprofessional. I love all my 1 star Bonds and Creeds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrd4t View Post
    Same here... Turin did all the Creed reviews and clearly has something against them as a whole. Sanchez did all the Bond reviews and has that same hatred for those.
    Those statements do not stand up to the evidence. Creed received a four-star rating for Green Irish Tweed. All told, fifteen out of twenty-eight were rated three stars or better.

    Bond, by the way, got a five-star rating and four four-star ratings. Fifteen out of thirty-two got three stars or better.

    This is on par with one of the legendary French perfume houses, Caron, which got three stars or better in sixteen of thirty-seven scents.

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    Finally, some sensible quantitative statements instead of gut feelings.
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    Then I don't believe anything you said.
    Me either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSlarty View Post
    Then I don't believe anything you said.
    Nothing to get all emotional about, its Audrey freakin' Hepburn. What I wrote is my analysis pieced together by information gathered from Audrey Hepburns life timeline and the dates given by Creed and Givenchy. I don't have the resources to audit fragrance companies and neither do I care to - the quality of the juice alway more important to me, the rest are amusing/interesting facts to create juicy gossip and promotional crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirSlarty View Post
    Curious, I went upstairs to her library of 20 or so book on Audrey Hepburn and looked for Givenchy or Creed in the indexes. Givenchy was mentioned and I found a remarked about L'Interdit being worn exclusively by Hepburn on one of the movie sets. No mention of Creed. No mention of Spring Flower.
    This makes a much greater point about trusting your sources. On the one hand, a biographer, someone who is fascinated and/or obsessed with Audrey Hepburn, who wants to accurately document every minute facet of her life, who is going to be compared with other Audrey Hepburn biographers, who has no interest in fragrance, only mentions Givenchy.

    On the other hand, who mentions Creed? No one but Creed and its fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Advocate View Post
    Those statements do not stand up to the evidence. Creed received a four-star rating for Green Irish Tweed. All told, fifteen out of twenty-eight were rated three stars or better.

    Bond, by the way, got a five-star rating and four four-star ratings. Fifteen out of thirty-two got three stars or better.

    This is on par with one of the legendary French perfume houses, Caron, which got three stars or better in sixteen of thirty-seven scents.
    I see the point, but you can also look at it in the inverse. 3 Stars is 'adequate' and 2 stars is 'disappointing'. If 15/32 Bond products were 3 stars or better, then 17 fragrances - more than half of their line, is 'disappointing' or worse (1 star = awful). This seems pretty severe for a house that, IMHO, is a pretty good house. I'm not a fan of all Bond 9 fragrances, but I recognize the quality in the ones I don't like.

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    For example: Audrey Hepburn and Spring Flower.

    I bought Spring Flower for my mother because of the PR's claim that it was made for Audrey Hepburn. (I did sample it first to make sure I liked it and to think if my mother would, too) My mother is an avid Audrey Hepburn fanatic. When she opened it she was speechless... in a bad way. I said it was a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn. She said she never heard of Creed but she knew that Givenchy made a perfume and her fashions for her.

    Curious, I went upstairs to her library of 20 or so book on Audrey Hepburn and looked for Givenchy or Creed in the indexes. Givenchy was mentioned and I found a remarked about L'Interdit being worn exclusively by Hepburn on one of the movie sets.

    No mention of Creed. No mention of Spring Flower.

    No mention of Creed on the Hepburn's website for that matter.

    The PR that I read (and can no longer find on Creed's official website) stated, "a perfume created for Audrey Hepburn" never does it say she wore it, liked it or even smelled it. Let a bitter taste in my mouth.
    You can see the same thing from just earlier this year where Creed presented a new fragrance to the pope. A completely unsolicited gift that the pope will probably never smell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcus View Post
    Can you tell me who the effective owners of the 'Rolex' brand are, and where watches are actually made and assembled, Carlos ?

    Rolex is owned by the Wilsdorf Foundation. The watches are manufactured in Basel, if I recall correctly. They produce about a million watches per year.

    I didn't mean to imply that they are bad watches, merely overpriced relative to the quality of the watchmaking. They are solid, just not art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    I see the point, but you can also look at it in the inverse. 3 Stars is 'adequate' and 2 stars is 'disappointing'. If 15/32 Bond products were 3 stars or better, then 17 fragrances - more than half of their line, is 'disappointing' or worse (1 star = awful). This seems pretty severe for a house that, IMHO, is a pretty good house. I'm not a fan of all Bond 9 fragrances, but I recognize the quality in the ones I don't like.
    Right. So Bond no 9 has 50% relative hits and 50% relative misses. So?
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    Confused, clueless newbie question:
    Creeds seem to be about the same price per ounce ($76) as Serge Lutens ($82) and Ormonde Jayne ($64) (the last two being my personal favorite houses), and not much different from most other odd little brands, but people keep mentioning that they're crazy-expensive. Is this a relative thing, or a dollars thing?
    And, just because I have a not-terribly-nice sense of humor, here is the wikipedia page (apparently written by their marketing department) I found on Creed while trying to figure things out:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed_(perfume)
    For those of you who don't know, anyone can change a wikipedia page, including yourselves. Although really, uh, 'biased' edits can theoretically get you blocked from further editing for a couple days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onychophora View Post
    Confused, clueless newbie question:
    Creeds seem to be about the same price per ounce ($76) as Serge Lutens ($82) and Ormonde Jayne ($64) (the last two being my personal favorite houses), and not much different from most other odd little brands, but people keep mentioning that they're crazy-expensive. Is this a relative thing, or a dollars thing?
    it's a relative thing.

    when you buy a bottle of Lutens, you get a beautiful bottle, a unique scent with nothing else that really smells like it. I don't even like Lutens fragrances, BUT i can appreciate the art behind it...and the style, uniqueness.

    with Creed, you get a tacky bottle, box, and logo...and a very average scent which generally does have a designer counterpart...most Creed scents are not very original...at least from my observations.

    so the Creed seems expensive, while the others don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmp00 View Post
    Creed is a line that never did much for me, but I don't find them overpriced. Some of the lines that are out now make Creed seem like a relative bargain
    Like Clive Christian. Talk about overpriced. I don't know how they could come up w/ a $700 Cologne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indie_Guy View Post
    I have just under 20 Creeds. I love the scents and I'm a big fan of the house style. However, I have one thing that makes me wonder about Creed's story: What's the oldest bottle of Creed that can be found floating around in circulation. People on here can find vintage bottles of the Guerlains etc, but does anyone have a bottle of Creed that was produced before say 1980? And if so, what kind of bottles did they come in?
    I am surprised that only one picture of a former, but not old, bottle showed up in reply to your question, Indie_Guy. Thank you, the_good_life, for that and for your summary and trustworthy details!

    More questions to the (BN) think tank:


    (1) Where are the bottles evidencing the existence of Creed perfumes since Royal English Leather (m!) *1780, Fleurs de Bulgarie, 1845, Santal Imperial (m!) 1850, Royal Scottish Lavender (m!) 1856, (Scottish lavender ??), Fantasia de Fleurs 1862, Bois de Cedrat 1875, and Vintage Tabarome (m!) 1875? I cannot believe that nobody knows of one Museum in England or France where such antiquities are exhibited.

    (2) A minimum quantity of important French perfumes is being carefully stored and documented in the greatest monument perfumers ever had: the French Perfume Museum in Versailles. Now, I do not know which perfumes created by Creed are included there. But knowing Creeds interest to bolster their glorious fragrant history (if it's more than ficticious) I wouldn't really expect the Creed 'dynasty' to be so shy as to not let us know which of their perfumes are contained in that Versailles collection.

    (3) Where are 200 years of Creed perfume history on Ebay? How can it be that thousand articles evidencing the Farina history (even that of the dubious Muelhens history) are known, are exhibited, or change hands in auctions, and zero pieces of evidence re Creed perfumes (before Olivier) are known to the public in Europe?

    (4) What is so unique about the ‘infusion' method of making perfumes? And why has the huge French industry generally abandoned it? Sold in department stores all over the world and 'hand made' and based on all naturals from exotic islands ? I feel drawn into the darkness of alchemy. And I am addressed by Creed press as a non-thinking idiot - an insult, actually. No, Creed cannot possibly want to talk to an educated elite. What they write can really appeal to people who leave the thinking to others only.

    (5) There is a widespread belief, that men wore the same perfumes as women if they wore perfumes at all ( before WW1 and in preceding centuries). At minimum five of the older Creed perfumes seem to contradict that belief. And I must say I used that myself as an argument before. By stating things from the past the way Creed still do they may not just have y of embellishing their family history (a private matter), they may be guilty of attempted falsification of perfume history. That's different and deserves to be criticized. Wiki on Creed Perfume, Aug 1, 08

    (6) The BN directory is a great instrument and good source of information. BN gets applause from others for having this. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea to review their own statements contained in Creed fragrance details, and delete the most obvious Creed propaganda, verify dates of release, and clean it from statements that Creed themselves do not seem to hang on to any longer. Example: Royal English Leather. "Basenotes says - This fragrance was enjoyed by the kings of England, George III and George V". (If that is a proven fact I've said nothing, of course!)

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    Rolex is owned by the Wilsdorf Foundation. The watches are manufactured in Basel, if I recall correctly. They produce about a million watches per year..
    Thank you Carlos. I have a lower production number, but even at 2000 watches per workday, we must think in terms of an industrial production rather than true watch manufacturing. (FYI, what's produced in Switzerland is actually made in Biel. Basel has no watch industry but is home of international fairs for watches and jewellery. As was probably done in the case with Creed, the Wiki article on Rolex may have been written under Rolex' press guidance. It's still worth reading. At least they contributed to innovations in that industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by narcus View Post
    I am really surprised that only one picture of a former, but not old, bottle showed up in reply to your question, Indie_Guy. Thank you, the_good_life, for that and for your summary of reliable details!

    More questions to the BN think tank:

    (1) Where are the bottles evidencing the existence of Creed perfumes since Royal English Leather (m!) *1780, Fleurs de Bulgarie, 1845, Santal Imperial (m!) 1850, Royal Scottish Lavender (m!) 1856, (Scottish lavender ??), Fantasia de Fleurs 1862, Bois de Cedrat 1875, and Vintage Tabarome (m!) 1875? I cannot believe that nobody knows of one Museum in England or France where such antiquities are exhibited.

    (2) A minimum quantity of important French perfumes is being carefully stored and documented in the greatest monument perfumers ever had: the French Perfume Museum in Versailles. Now, I do not know which perfumes created by Creed are included there. But knowing Creeds interest to bolster glorious fragrant history, I wouldn't really expect the Creed 'dynasty' to be so shy as to not let us know which of their perfumes are contained in that Versailles collection.

    (3) Where are 200 years of Creed perfume history on Ebay? How can it be that thousand articles evidencing the Farina history (even that of the dubious Muelhens history) are known, are exhibited, or change hands in auctions, and zero pieces of evidence re Creed perfumes (before Olivier) are known to the publicb in Europe?

    (4) What is so unique about the ‘infusion method’ of making perfumes? And why does the huge league of perfumers in the world not take advantage of it? Do Creed have the process patented to themselves? I feel drawn into the darkness alchemy.

    Thank you Carlos. I have a lower production number, but even at 2000 watches per workday, we must think in terms of an industrial production rather than true watch manufacturing. (FYI, what's produced in Switzerland is actually made in Biel. Basel has no watch industry but is home of international fairs for watches and jewellery. As was probably done in the case with Creed, the Wiki article on Rolex may have been written under Rolex' press guidance. It's still worth reading. At least they contributed to innovations in that industry.
    Let's assume for a moment that the Creed perfume history is not an entire (1968 LSD induced) fabrication by a wealthy hippie named Olivier Creed

    (1) It would seem Creed never publicly sold or advertised perfumes, contrary to Farina, Guerlain etc. Purely a minor bespoke service complementing their offer of leather & riding goods and textiles. Of course isolated bottles would perhaps have survived, but I doubt anyone has ever cared. Cred probably would for marketing purposes, but there simply isn't enough to show off with. Creed perfumes, so they existed, were culturally irrelevant and did not enjoy particualr contemporary reputation. Otherwise they would have mentioned in passing in diaries, correspondence, newspapers etc. and they are not.

    (2) Can somebody call and find out? I doubt any are there.

    (3) see (1)

    (4) As far as I can see, the newer Creed blurbs no longer refer to this, or am I wrong? I believe the technique is still used by natural perfumers who make their own perfume oils? Costly, time consuming, less effective than other methods, no idea whether the results are better. Anyhow, perhaps Creed does this for a select amount of products used in a few perfumes. Though I really would be interested in touring their production facilities. Is there a millionare among us whop could get himself invited? We do know they use synthetics, and probably also the available state of the art technology, these days.
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    I must say... seeing banned under samplermike was the highlight of my day so far
    IMO Samplermike being banned is unfortunate for although he was wildly fanatical and blinded by the Creed propoganda machine he always brought his unique one sided spark and zest into posts he was involved with.

    I for one always looked forward to the "sh**s and giggles" that his posts brought to the forum and his zealous, fanatical unfaltering faith in all things Creed.

    Erwin Cr..., er I mean Mike, will be sincerely missed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diverdown View Post
    IMO Samplermike being banned is unfortunate for although he was wildly fanatical and blinded by the Creed propoganda machine he always brought his unique one sided spark and zest into posts he was involved with.

    I for one always looked forward to the "sh**s and giggles" that his posts brought to the forum and his zealous, fanatical unfaltering faith in all things Creed.

    Erwin Cr..., er I mean Mike, will be sincerely missed
    WOO HOO! heads have rolled!

    he was waaaaaaaay too one dimensional. i don't mind someone loving a brand of perfume, but he made it a point to basically advertise one brand in EVERY and ANY thread----related or unrelated to Creed....that was just over the top IMO.

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    the pre-1990s Creeds are some of my favorites in my wardrobe... I say this as a means of proving my status as a non-hater, haha... but now this has raised some genuine interest here.

    I would love to see the old bottles, just to see what they looked like... maybe even get a sense if some of my favorites had earlier, wildly different incarnations.

    Is it possible that, much like the pope's recent gift, all of those celeb/ royalty affiliations were unsolicited freebies from the Creeds? Doesn't necessarily mean they were sold in stores or even worn by the recipients....

    Also, I was wondering... since Luca Turin was a member of this forum once, is it possible he would know a bit more of the factual history? Seems like he would at least know of someone who would, if not.

    As far as Creed purpling their own history... hell, I don't care. It isn't too much different from Ralph Lifshitz re-inventing the notion of the American WASPy preppy into the gilded personna that is Ralph Lauren. Make whatever story you wish to sell an image along with your goods. As long as the goods are something I want to buy, I will buy them. When I was in just the type of high school that RL tries to re-imagine as a brand, very few of us looked like the denizens of his fantasies. If it makes people feel better about their well-spent ducats to buy into an aura of "other," then go for it. It's your cash, do with it what you will!

    With regards to Creed history though... good on ya, the_good_life et al... I love reading such theses as these!

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