I loved the reference to the movie.
What mainstream male scents coulda been a contender for a great "niche" fragrance..
Kouros maybe, or Gucci ph?
Quote from: Marlon Brando in On the Waterfront
Last edited by afraafra; 14th September 2008 at 07:08 AM.
I loved the reference to the movie.
I agree with Kouros being a decent niche. I also wonder the other way - which niche could have been "mainstream designer"?
Kenzo is almost niche, IMO. I think that Kenzo Tokyo is a bit strange for a woody, in the same way that Hinoki is, and "coulda been niche". Kenzo Power also sounds like it coulda been a contender, but I still haven't sniffed it.
Givenchy Incense & Vetiver
Guerlain Heritage & Vetiver
Chanel Egoiste & Antaeus
Piguet Fracas & Bandit
I believe that legendary mainstreams could easily be a niches
Vetiver The Great!!!
By today's standards, Givenchy Gentleman is niche-like.
First of all, what is wrong with being mainstream? Does the status of being niche supierior to a designer status?
Who needs niche when you have
All YSL scents.
All Guerlains (except the last one)
All pre-Allure chanels
The edible fig on Varvatos and Marc Jacobs has something quite L'Artisaneque.
Coversely all Comptoir Sud Pacifique could have been mainstream. CdG could have been a designer brand... wait, it is! Some of their scents are actually quite ordinary and not all that special.
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I think Terre D Hermes could be niche.
Some of the classics in some sense were niche. Marketed to an a small group, daring for their day, not too common, etc. By that I mean Knize 10, Tabac Blonde, Bandit, etc
BTW Guerlain is niche
1. Company that exclusively makes perfumes.
2. Dedicated company with limited distribution.
Guerlain does not have limited distribution (I just have the bad luck of living in a town that sells no Guerlain in a 150km radius). Unless you are talking about the special collection of scents only sold at their stores.
If you only consider the first criterion then Coty (Aspen, Stetson, Vanilla Fields) is niche too.
Is Acqua di Parma niche? it's owned by LVMH just like Guerlain.
I shall continue. Who needs niche when you can have:
CK Be (the mainstream anti perfume)
The Vintage Ungaros I, II, III
Fahrenheit is pretty "out there" too.
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Oscar Pour Lui
Van Cleef & Arpels
I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Lalique Encre Noir. And I agree on the Gucci PH.
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Kenzo Air (Ouzo + hay, weak lasting strength)
Paul Smith London
Fleur du Male (maybe)
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None. Although many "niche" ones should be declared "designer quality".
I understand niche to refer to houses that consider artistry as well as mass market sales. The boundary tends to be blurry. Such magnificent mainstreams as Antaeus, Egoiste! Such appealing niches as PdN New York, Ambre Russe,! It is too hard for me to sort out!
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Yes, Encre Noir is an excellent choice.
And I suggest the following: Armani (original). It is so widely available, and yet it is not the current style. IMO it is the classiest of the 70-80's fougeres. The lemon gives a lift and lightness to the otherwise powerful elements. In today's marketplace, it really stands out.
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I think Bulgari Black can be thrown into the mix.
I'd like to second YSL M7 as anything with oud seems out of the mainstream designer safe zone.
We have a few blurry definitions of the term "niche fragrance," but what exactly is the proper definition? I think our analysis will be very blurry unless we nail down a proper definition and then go from there.
The formal definition of the term "niche" is the following: a submarket that emerges to provide a product that the mainstream market is not addressing. Now, by definition a "niche" can outgrow itself once it influences the mainstream market, as it will not longer be considered "niche" because it is part of the mainstream market. I think an interesting question is what fragrances were "niche" but have evolved and become part of the mainstream market thus losing their "niche" status?
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Ohh the classic conundrum...
Frankly speaking - in this world of globalization- if a perfume is available on internet- its no longer NICHE in my books.. WHY !! because it can be bought at a click of a button...
I concur with the person who said about blurry definitions...it behooves us that we define what Niche is...
Niche to me bespeaks of an "UNCOMMON SCENT of good quality WHICH IS HARD TO OBTAIN- and not found on many people" -perhaps Custom Blended perfume which a person sits with the perfumer and makes a perfume conformal to his/ her's preferences...
I wouldnt call CDG or Montale Niche because its available on the net...but at an exhorbitant price...
Frederic Malle- yes perhaps. An attar blended for me in the by lanes of Istanbul or Bahrain or Bombay is niche for me- because- it was made right before me and just for me- to suit my skin chemistry and my temperament..etc.
So you see sirs, Niche is a very subjective thing...what niche is for me - might be plebian for you...
from my personal collection ,me thinks- M7 , Bulgari Black, YSL Nu Guerlain vetiver...fit the bill. but...the questions till looms over us
I'll third M7 - it feels very nichey to me.
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PS : M7 is really niche to me. It also apparently flopped on the market, so I suppose that is evidence that it is good enough to be niche.
I like the quote, but I agree that the distinction implies a hierarchy that perhaps was only meaningful for a few years in the 90s, when niche brands were in a way continuing a tradition of quality while the designer market was taking a nosedive in terms of ingredient quality and originality. Today niche is often merely a marketing gimmick to justify high prices for the same half-baked designs stuffed with cheap synths the mass market offers. I think pretty much every good perfume could be repackaged as luxurious niche. Certainly the male Carons and Guerlains and Patous and Desprez, as well as Aramis JHL, Cacharel ph, even Burberry Brit, so many many others.
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