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    Default I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    Okay, after reading Basteri's chocolate thread with interest, I decided to read some older threads on the same subject. I was originally going to add this to his recent thread but eventually decided against it.

    I have to say that most chocolate scents have failed to fully satisfy. Here's what I can recall trying:

    Borneo 1834: Nice but it seems thiner than the classic Lutens offerings with average longevity.
    A*Men: I don't like the tar note, the darkness of the chocolate or the 'juvenile' bottle design. Plus it's too common...
    Aomassai: This one was almost spot-on but it should have been an EDP (and, therefore, with better lasting power). I wait in hope...
    Hanae Mori: an interesting take on chocolate but it bored me after a few wearings. I ended up giving my unfinished bottle away.
    Rochas Man: Pleasant and creamy but too soft, with not much sillage or longevity (that applies to the intense version as well).
    Lolita Lempicka: Nice but crap longevity.
    Amour de Cacao: Okay-ish but crap longevity.
    Coze: Strange with crap longevity [see a pattern forming here?]
    New Haarlem: Even if this was the best of the bunch I wouldn't give any of my money to this company. Period.
    Spicy Cocoa: Too synthetic for my liking (and also discontinued).
    Very Irresistable: Utterly gross and synthetic.
    Douce Amère: Lovely but too soft and with disappointing longevity.
    Chocolate Greedy: The cardboard accord is irritating and it doesn't last as long as most Montales.
    Néonatura Cocoon: I wasn't completely sold on it but the price is fabulous.
    Blue Agave and Cacao: One of the worst I've tried - it's just downright weird!
    Attitude: No lasting power and lacking any real depth.
    Anything by Ava Luxe: No, thanks!

    Il Profumo is the only house that I have yet to investigate (please tell me if I've missed any other worthy releases). I'll probably investigate their offerings soon.

    However, yesterday, I did discover one chocolate scent that may be The One: Guerlain's Gourmand Coquin (from a sample that a good friend sent to me recently). Yes, it's bloody expensive, it's not ground-breaking and the bottle design is uninspired but it seems to have touched all the bases that the above failed to. Gourmand Coquin has lovely sillage and great longevity, smells very natural and creamy, and the interplay of vanilla and chocolate has made me swoon. I still need to test it a couple more times but I've been very impressed by it over the last 24 hours (it was actually my SOTD).

    Please feel free to agree or disagree, as I may need to be talked out of investing in a bottle of this...
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    You might hate it, but L'Instant de Guerlain pour Homme does have chocolate cake in it, as well as other, woody accords. I owned the EDT once but now I await the EDP which should be on my doorstep soon. I've heard it's even more powerfully chocolate.

    I love Aomassai 10 too, it's great. Not quite full-bottle worthy, though. I agree than an EDP should be in order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynendal View Post
    You might hate it, but L'Instant de Guerlain pour Homme does have chocolate cake in it, as well as other, woody accords. I owned the EDT once but now I await the EDP which should be on my doorstep soon. I've heard it's even more powerfully chocolate.

    I love Aomassai 10 too, it's great. Not quite full-bottle worthy, though. I agree than an EDP should be in order.
    Yes, L'Instant de Guerlain pour Homme did spring to mind but I couldn't recall it being a true chocolate fragrance. But you're right - I didn't like it!

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    Rochas Desir has one of smoothest Cadbury dairy milk accord in its opening, thereby metling into other accords by mids...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenson View Post
    Rochas Desir has one of smoothest Cadbury dairy milk accord in its opening, thereby metling into other accords by mids...
    Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I find that Rochas fragrances lack any real longevity on my skin (Lui, however, did but was too close to the skin). How is longevity on you?

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    New Haarlem get's my chocoliscious vote. Why are you boycotting Bond 09?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately, I find that Rochas fragrances lack any real longevity on my skin (Lui, however, did but was too close to the skin). How is longevity on you?
    Lui is a sillage mosnter on me. behaves like an parfum extract. Desir, i sampled on wrist in a mall. i felt it had a pretty decent sillage... also, good quality stuff from Rochas...very refined.

    and on Bonds, im totally with ya. what a waste...(only riverside drive came a lil close and still to sample chinatown and andy warhol SF...i hope these two don't let me down)

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    I really enjoy both Rochas Man and Lolita Lempicka. I have no longevity issues with either, and am only commenting because LLAM absolutely refuses to die on me and I find it odd that your only negative was that it doesn't last.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny5160 View Post
    I really enjoy both Rochas Man and Lolita Lempicka. I have no longevity issues with either, and am only commenting because LLAM absolutely refuses to die on me and I find it odd that your only negative was that it doesn't last.
    I really envy you! I've tried both versions of Lolita Lempicka, without much success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    New Haarlem get's my chocoliscious vote. Why are you boycotting Bond 09?
    For reasons discussed in previous Bond No.9 bashing threads BUT New Haarlem is quite good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor View Post
    New Haarlem: Even if this was the best of the bunch I wouldn't give any of my money to this company. Period.
    Bond No. 9 are great! They're business is flourishing here in NYC. Soon to take over more!
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    Trebor - thanks for sharing. A*men also seems a bit crude to me these days but I have to second dynendal's appreciation of l'instant extreme EDP. I find the chocolate accord to be less cloying.

    Is the chocolate note in Gourmand Coquin a bitter dark one?

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    I'm kind of surprised by some of the candidates you considered - Douce Amere to me has nothing to do with chocolate, and Aomassai strikes me as more about burnt caramel/toffee. My pick might have been Chocolate Greedy - I had a sample of it a fair while ago which I swapped, but I seem to remember it having a very sweet, chocolate-icing kind of vibe going on (I don't recall any cardboard). If I were looking for chocolate, re-sampling that would probably be my first step.

    I don't think Gourmand Coquin is a bad choice, though, if it fits what you're looking for. To me, chocolate is present, but the focus is not on chocolate as much as the spices and the cinnamon-bun angle. I think I'd have said that Chocolate Greedy smells more realistically like chocolate, whereas Gourmand Coquin has more of a chocolatey feel or atmosphere to it. Then again, maybe what I perceive as doughiness, you perceive as chocolatiness, so it's hard to say!

    Sorry to be so equivocal! I think GC is definitely a nice scent, and it is indeed deliciously warm and smooth and creamy, but I don't know if it's worth the money. Have you tried Iris Ganache? Personally I like GC better, but I think you should smell IG if you're looking for a comprehensive survey of chocolatey scents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jathanas View Post
    Is the chocolate note in Gourmand Coquin a bitter dark one?
    It's a tad dark but, with the vanilla, quite creamy. I do detect a slight rum note but this is quite subtle. I don't get any pepper but I need more time to live with it. I would say it's what Rochas Man should have been. It's not girly or overly sweet and cloying but well-balanced with a slight sophistication about it.

    As I mentioned before, the price has made me hesitate big time. Therefore, some of the recommendations (both listed or unlisted in my OP) I may revisit just to be sure.
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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    Gourmand Coquin sounds really good Trebor. Where was I when this was released, I haven't even heard of this one? Is this one of those new ones that came out recently, in a trio, for women? The one with the overflowing ad copy that many blogs were spoofing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kopah View Post
    I'm kind of surprised by some of the candidates you considered - Douce Amere to me has nothing to do with chocolate, and Aomassai strikes me as more about burnt caramel/toffee. My pick might have been Chocolate Greedy - I had a sample of it a fair while ago which I swapped, but I seem to remember it having a very sweet, chocolate-icing kind of vibe going on (I don't recall any cardboard). If I were looking for chocolate, re-sampling that would probably be my first step.

    I don't think Gourmand Coquin is a bad choice, though, if it fits what you're looking for. To me, chocolate is present, but the focus is not on chocolate as much as the spices and the cinnamon-bun angle. I think I'd have said that Chocolate Greedy smells more realistically like chocolate, whereas Gourmand Coquin has more of a chocolatey feel or atmosphere to it. Then again, maybe what I perceive as doughiness, you perceive as chocolatiness, so it's hard to say!

    Sorry to be so equivocal! I think GC is definitely a nice scent, and it is indeed deliciously warm and smooth and creamy, but I don't know if it's worth the money. Have you tried Iris Ganache? Personally I like GC better, but I think you should smell IG if you're looking for a comprehensive survey of chocolatey scents.
    Thanks for your input. Yeah, I'm sure a couple in my list aren't essentially chocolate scents but, from my memory, they seemed to fall into this category. I'll defintely add Iris Ganache to my shortlist. Chocolate Greedy, although a decent chocolate scent, left me feeling somewhat dissatisfied by those one or two unbecoming notes.

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Gourmand Coquin sounds really good Trebor. Where was I when this was released, I haven't even heard of this one? Is this one of those new ones that came out recently, in a trio, for women? The one with the overflowing ad copy that many blogs were spoofing?
    Yep, that's the one - the Elixir Charnel line. Unfortunately most of the blog sites were very sceptical of this line. I think the price may have been a major factor. As for the ad copy, more attention seems to have been on this than the fragrances themselves! The only other one I tried was Oriental Brulant - it's probably the closest to smelling like a true Guerlain but it didn't move me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Gourmand Coquin sounds really good Trebor. Where was I when this was released, I haven't even heard of this one? Is this one of those new ones that came out recently, in a trio, for women? The one with the overflowing ad copy that many blogs were spoofing?
    I've never come across it either. I guess it's back up to Bergdorf soon.

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    Wow, Rochas Man lasts 12-24 hours on me. It's way up the list for longevity on my skin along with Escentric 01, Nasomatto Duro, and Rive Gauche.
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    The longevity for Amour de Cacao is great for me, so it's got a place in the rotation. Allure Sensuelle comes across as chocolate-ish, and again, it's good for every couple of weeks or so. A*Men I need to be in the mood for, same with Borneo 1834. The rest I don't like for one reason or another. Ava Luxe's Sweet Absinthe did come across to me as chocolate-ish too, but I had a small sample and swapped it off, so I can't go back to it and try it again.

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    I believe that Serendipity 3 Serendipitous is made by the famous dessert restaurant in NYC. This is a very deep chocolate frag.

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    Many claim that Serendipity 3 Serendipitous is nearly identical to Amour de Cacao, but I never tried it.

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    Every try Mat; Chocolat? I think it's pretty darn good but the longevity is lacking.

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    My Holy Grail chocolate is TF Noir de Noir. The truffle and rose combination rocks my world.

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    What is the name of the thread you wrote about not liking Bond No 9?

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    thenmarcher: That's very interesting. I've found that a prominent rose note can really ruin a frag for me. Now that is an issue of taste for sure, but I wonder why some like florals, which undeniably don't smell bad, whereas I need the florals to be overwhelmed by something else. A good example is Tumulte for women. The heliotrope and patchouli overwhelm the florals, and I like it. I guess it would be interesting to start a thread about notes that BNers hate. LOL.

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    Guerlain's Gourmand Coquin sounds interesting, I'll have to check into it.


    Some more suggestions to try:

    Eau de Cacao by Coppeneur is a superb chocolate but whose longevity is, as you say, crap.

    Try Fresh's Fleurs de Chocolat Mikado. I've had pretty good luck with it.

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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    Trebor, I tried Musc Maori by Parfumerie Generale tonight for the first time and when I sprayed it I instantly thought of you: cocoa nib oriented chocolate with a vanilla-ish tonka middle note. Plus musk, I'm guessing, but I might be anosmic to that part of it. Not nutty, not too sweet - perhaps the crispest gourmand I've ever smelled. Give it a try!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Trebor, I tried Musc Maori by Parfumerie Generale tonight for the first time and when I sprayed it I instantly thought of you: cocoa nib oriented chocolate with a vanilla-ish tonka middle note. Plus musk, I'm guessing, but I might be anosmic to that part of it. Not nutty, not too sweet - perhaps the crispest gourmand I've ever smelled. Give it a try!
    Mike, you beat me to it! I was about to say that Musc Maori is more about chocolate than Aomassai - which is more about caramel. Both are very gourmand.

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    Oh yes, glad to see Musc Maori getting a mention. I do, however, prefer it much more on a woman... but if a man can pull it off, why not!

    Also, have you tried Persephone by Sali Oguri yet? One of the best chocolates I've ever come across yet, again, *may* feel slightly feminine to some but a man can pull it off I reckon.


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    Default Re: I think I may have discovered the best chocolate scent yet!

    Trebor: I'm interested whether your subsequent testings of Gourmand Couquin went well - are you still smitten?
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