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    Default Overpowering top notes with great drydown ?

    I think a thread like this can be very useful for blind buys or sampling at the stores. Many bad frag reviews seem to be based on strong top notes, so I'd like to hear from those who think that certain frags have top notes that are too strong for many people, particularly newbies. My list would include Habit Rouge and Carven Homme, though obviously some do like the top notes of those two (but they are indeed strong). Which ones would you put on this list? I won't include Jacomo de Jacomo because that strong clove lasts 45 minutes or more.

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    Knize Ten: the strongest opening i've ever smelled.
    SMN Nostalgia: also very pungent, overwhelming...then it settles down into beauty.

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    No such list would be complete without The Dreamer. I seem to be one of the few who enjoys its topnotes, which to me come across as "bitter dark chocolate". Does anyone else get this?
    Narciso Rodriguez is another. I'm still trying to get my head around this one!

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    Heritage. Hate the BdPish Top notes, and then awesomest drydown
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    Fahrenheit - Christian Door
    I have to persevere with the opening so that I can enjoy the dry-down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trufflehunter View Post
    No such list would be complete without The Dreamer. I seem to be one of the few who enjoys its topnotes, which to me come across as "bitter dark chocolate". Does anyone else get this?
    Narciso Rodriguez is another. I'm still trying to get my head around this one!
    I agree with the mention of 'Dreamer'...It has got these 'nauseous' top note but someone who can go past them is rewarded with an amazing drydown.

    Parfum d'habit is another fragrance that has top notes that test you to your limits but don't give an inkling of what is going to follow....absolute heavenly dry down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gupts View Post
    I agree with the mention of 'Dreamer'...It has got these 'nauseous' top note but someone who can go past them is rewarded with an amazing drydown.

    Parfum d'habit is another fragrance that has top notes that test you to your limits but don't give an inkling of what is going to follow....absolute heavenly dry down.
    ...thanks for the puzzle that is NR, gupts! I like it, but I've put it away for a while. The hot weather makes it unwearable and gave me a 'false negative' reading the second time I tried it!

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    ROYAL DELIGHT !!!!! Hands down.

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    Trussardi Umo
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    Diptyque's Eau Lente. The opening is a screeching, cinnamon potpourri accord that, after 15 minutes, slides into the most divine opopanax dry-down. It is always appropriate.
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    Davidoff Zino

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    Joop Nightflight
    Opening is sharp & overpowering but once it settles down its beautiful
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    Quote Originally Posted by crunkjuice View Post
    ROYAL DELIGHT !!!!! Hands down.
    mmm... I have a sample. I love it, but I certainly don't find the top notes overpowering. I'm like a cat rolling in catnip when I smell that stuff!

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    Cacharel pour le male

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    Quote Originally Posted by irish View Post
    Heritage. Hate the BdPish Top notes, and then awesomest drydown
    I've got to agree. The vanilla you get at the end is HEAVENLY. So incredibly good.

    The top notes - especially the bergamot - sting the nostrils. You definitely have to wait it out.

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    While I totally love the top notes of L'Anarchiste, I can see where some would find them overpowering. The drydown is amazing though.
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    Shalimar - I almost cant stand the first couple of hours , its just too much but then its worth it for the comforting and enveloping vanilla drydown

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    Havana EDT, Aramis
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    Eau d'Hermes
    M7
    Musc Ravageur (I find the cinnamon/clove opening unpleasant, but there's a great drydown)

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    M7
    Kouros
    Original Santal

    Although I've gotten used to all their top notes and I enjoy them now

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    I second Havana...

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    Guerlain Heritage EDT (whoa... the opening is pretty harsh and abrasive)
    Lorenzo Viloresi Sandaloo (what the heck were they thinking? thank God the opening top notes don't last long...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    Musc Ravageur (I find the cinnamon/clove opening unpleasant, but there's a great drydown)
    I agree 100%. I really really don't like the first 5 minutes or so, but after that, it's smooth sailing.

    Edit: And though I don't mind it at all. The opening hour or so of L'Air du Desert Marocain may be a tad much for some but afterwards is amazing.
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    Rive Gauche opens like a mushroom cloud for me, yet settles into something very comforting
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    French Lover. For me it opens with strong pimento/geranium , then about 10 hours later settles into something very special.

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    I'm on the bandwagon with M7.

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    I would have to agree with M7. The topnotes are very harsh and in your face (especially the first time). Until you get accustomed to them and accept them, it is hard to love the fragrance. I love it though.

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    Le Labo's Patchouli 24... a fire breathing dragon which turns into a napping golden retriever puppy by the end, metaphorically speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nthny View Post
    Le Labo's Patchouli 24... a fire breathing dragon which turns into a napping golden retriever puppy by the end, metaphorically speaking.
    Good point - it's liquid smoke at first but dries into a gorgeous, rich fragrance.

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    M7 is interesting. I find if I spray once or twice and then blow on the area sprayed, it's not bad at all in the top notes. Instead, I think a lot of people who are unfamiliar with oud need to give themselves some time to get accustomed to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    Good point - it's liquid smoke at first but dries into a gorgeous, rich fragrance.
    Hmm, that is interesting. On me it smells great at first, then turns to liquid smoke

    Two that have difficult top notes for me:
    Estee Lauder Knowing
    Chanel No.5 EDT

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    Heritage definitely has that bad cop/ good cop thing going on in one bottle.
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    I can't believe no one's said A*Men yet. I can see Havana, but to my nose, Havana is just so pleasant that it doesn't really "overpower"--I go willingly, so to speak But A*Men, that's a battle that I fight and lose.

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    I think that's because A*Men is strong for a long time. It's not just the top notes !

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    I think that's because A*Men is strong for a long time. It's not just the top notes !

    You think so? I find the drydown to be strong, sure, but not overpowering like the opening. Alternatively, it could be the the whole fragrance is strong, but I just find the opening to be terrible and the drydown pleasant.

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    Actually, I don't find much in A*Men's top notes. I have to wait a while. It may be because I blow on the area sprayed, and that may have different effects on different frags.

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    Creed Tabarome Millesime - the ginger is too strong for the first 30 minutes, but the dry down is amazing.

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    YSL Live Jazz - I really don't like the cilantro that sticks around for the first 30 minutes, but from there to the finish it's yummy citrus, cedar, and ambergris goodness.
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    LV Vetiver, Starts out a bit too strong and peppery for my tastes, but after 15 minutes it cools off and is amazing.

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    Hammam Bouquet - starts out megastrong but then dries down into my finest comfort scent! Topnotes unsuitable for newbies though...
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    Montale Black Aoud, absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony87 View Post
    Joop Nightflight
    Opening is sharp & overpowering but once it settles down its beautiful
    totally agree with you

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    Mont Blanc Exceptionnel - very strong spicy beginning, though I wouldn't call it bad at all. Then it settles to a very nice drydown.

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    Fumidus, the smoke in the opening is almost too much to bear but after 25-30minutes it settles down into a something that is very nice.
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    I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Montale Patchouli Leaves. It's loud Givenchy Gentleman-esque opening throws me off, completely. I do enjoy the drydown, though

    I don't like Serge Noire's camphory-cinnamony opening as much as I adore it's drydown.


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    A*MEN is strong to be sure and it did pop into mind for this but I have to agree with others that a) The opening is not substantially different from the drydown, and b) it is consistently strong.

    I also considered Hammam Bouquet because there is a such a difference from opening to drydown but I enjoy the opening as well. I do agree that it may be offensive to some though. If they can get through whatever they don't like, they'll certainly be rewarded with that smooth and calming drydown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Moon View Post
    Creed Tabarome Millesime - the ginger is too strong for the first 30 minutes, but the dry down is amazing.
    Agreed. The ginger is overpowering at first, but the dry down is solid.

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    Versace dreamer... its vile at first but the drydown is sex.

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    I must be one of the few here who actually loves Givenchy Gentleman's opening. It's so red-raw and confrontational that it becomes memorable instead of anonying. There's Bad loud (Bulgari Blu) and there's Good loud - and GG is the latter.

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    I think Bois du Portugal is more potent in the opening than I would like, but the dry down is super.

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    On my skin, Terre d'Hermes smells like someone rubbed an orange all over me until it drys down. The dry down is delightful though, I just have to put it on an hour before I go out.

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    Caron Pour un Homme! - Top lavender note punches hard without gloves. Settles down after a bit into a beautiful vanilla drydown. Still one of my favourites.

    Caron Yatagan? - An experience for the uninitiated. The way the eponymous sword must have seemed to those on the bad side of Janissaries. The curved swords, painful though they must have felt, sent some to heaven.

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    Paloma Picasso Mon Parfum - opens with harsh urine note but settles down to the smoothest velvet heaven.

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    Issey Miyake.

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    Drakkar Noir
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    Aramis. The opening is like sucking on a Deer Rifle. The drydown is a much more enjoyable experience. A rather simple concoction, but I can see why it has lasted.

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    Agree with all mentions of Dreamer, BdP, and Havana.
    I would even Idole Lubin if you don't like that rum note.

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    Grey Flannel provokes sneezes on me the first ten minutes, then settles down into something warm and lovely.

    Quorum was described as 'crotch in a bottle' by a basenoter......and I agree. However, 30 minutes into it there's a warm, dry fragrance that's very comforting to me.

    Jacomo de Jacomo is a spice bomb that stings my eyes, but settles into something smooth and lovely.

    I also agree with those mentioning The Dreamer

    Canoe (EDT) starts with a sickening slap of musty barbershop on my skin, and then settles down to a smooth vanilla that I adore.
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