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    Dear BNers,

    I think, at this point, I have a reasonably trained nose. However, the house of Creed still baffles me. I've tried sampling their range twice, and have come away unimpressed. Their number of fragrances is always overwhelming, while I have been underwhelmed by them. Part of me suspects that this might be due to nasal fatigue, and trying to sample entire fragrance departments in one sweep. I know it's a popular line here, so I'm trying to understand it a bit better. (I also know that everso has a particular dislike of this line, and I'm trying to see if it's justified or not)

    So my question is -- what are the noteworthy, and particularly popular fragrances from this house? I understand that these things are subjective, and I should trust my own nose at the end of the day, but I can't sample the line in one go and I need a starting point. I've already tried GIT (which I admit is rather nice), but I'm not sure where to work from there.

    Thanks for your time!

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    In my opinion, you absolutely need to buy some samples (or ask for some for free) in order to really "experience a fragrance." As you try it more than once (each in isolation - one at a time), you will catch notes you didn't notice were there at first, increasing appreciation. Just my opinion from experience.

    As for what you should try, I would suggest any of the following, they seem to be the most popular out of the more "modern smelling" Creeds:

    1. GIT (as you mentioned)
    2. Millisime Imperial
    3. Silver Mountain Water

    Popular old-fashioned (more mature smelling) Creeds:

    1. Bois de Portugal
    2. Selection Verte
    3. Royal Delight

    Not to throw you off, but my personal favs are Neroli Sauvage and Green Valley...

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    In general, I like the olders Creeds better than the newer fragrances:
    'Vintage' Tabarome (not Tabarome Millesime)
    Royal English Leather
    Bois du Portugal
    Orange Spice
    Acier Aluminum
    Original Vetiver (2004, there's always an exception!)
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    Trying to sample the entire range in one fell swoop is not the way to understand any perfume house. In fact it will probably cause more confusion than it will enlightenment.

    I think that there are quite a few noteworthy Creeds: Green Irish Tweed, "Vintage" Tabarome, Royal English Leather, Acier Aluminium, just to name a few or the more noteworthy frags that I am familiar with.
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    Lightbringer-----don't doubt your misunderstanding of this 'phenomenon'....you're doing great! you're not the only one baffled by it all....
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    While I won't dismiss the range... all the ones I've tried so far are duds, and when there are perfume houses whose creations I enjoy that I haven't even begun to fully explore yet - and we're talking dozens and dozens of houses - I feel no urge to go delving into Creed.

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    Give it some more time and you may better appreciate Creed. And if it just turns out that Creed isn't your cup tea, that's fine too. Have fun finding what you like...
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    interesting enough when i wanted to try the older creeds the SA told me I was too young for those, that they were really made for people over age 40+, she still let me try them but said I would probably be more happy with the Millisime line

    I am still going through the line so far I really like SMW, Himalaya, as my two favorites and I do enjoy Acier Aluminum but not sure to buy a bottle yet

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    I've sampled several Creeds, and they varied quite a bit (BdP, SMW, GIT, Royal Delight, Original Santal, MI, Angelique Encens), but one thing I don't get from them is the kind of dynamism that I seek, which even some super "cheapos" have, like Victory League. Angelique Encens might have it, but I don't like the notes in it.

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    Lightbringer, I was exactly where you are. And for me, the right Creed was (to use Bluesoul's term) my "gateway drug". I had given the house two major spray-fests at Saks, including several sample vials that left me going "WTF? What's so great about this stuff?" I thought I had found my ticket with Original Santal, but after taking it home, I found it too sharp, and was left thinking I was through with the house.

    It all changed one summer day when the SAs left me alone with the Creed bottles while I was paying for something else and they were taking care of the billing. I saw "Bois de Cedrat" sitting there, and mistakenly thought it might be a woody scent (yes, my French is that bad! ) I sprayed it and was suddenly in citrus heaven! Just a beautiful, natural citrus that blew away everything I thought about Creeds. It wasn't one of the ones that everybody said I should like - it was the one that I actually did like.

    I bought it on the spot, and almost couldn't put it away for weeks. And I realized that I had to go back and sample Creeds with complete disregard for what other people were telling me. I realized that the "old guy" scents and the "unpopular" ones were where I was likely going to find my scents. This is where the breadth of the line is so helpful. There is actually an enormous variety, and if you stick with it, it is very likely you will eventually find several that you like. I have also found that taking my time with each scent - not rushing to try them all, has allowed me to discover the complexity and beauty of each. Even the ones I didn't like earlier, now make more sense to me, in reference to those scents which I really like a lot.

    I think it's important not to overrate Creed, because it creates a wall between many people and the beauty of their scents. It's simply a house with an interesting history, a determination to stick with some older methods, and the shrewd marketing savvy to take full advantage of these things. Perhaps a bit too shrewd for some of us.

    Right now, my favorite Creeds are:

    Bois de Cedrat - citrus that smells heavenly
    Neroli Sauvage - another, slightly stronger citrus scent that gets tons of compliments
    Epicea - a pine scent with surprising complexity
    Bois du Portugal - if this is "old guy", then give me my wheelchair and a case of the stuff!
    Les Floralies (aka Floralie) - a scent so delicate yet persistent that I simply marvel at its existence

    Others that I like are Vintage Tabarome, Santal Imperial, and Angelique Encens. As you can see, almost none of the heavily copied, popular ones. So I recommend that you simply take your time, and try a few of the less well-known Creeds. If you're lucky, you may also do a 180 on the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    (I also know that everso has a particular dislike of this line, and I'm trying to see if it's justified or not)

    Don't listen to Everso when it comes to Creed. I have come to the conclusion that what he hates about Creed is there "faux-aristocratic", tradition-laden persona, and not the scents themselves. By constantly bashing the house he has convinced himself that all of the scents are, in some way, over-priced, boring, copies, etc. etc. If he gave them all a chance with an OPEN mind I think he would come away quite surprised.

    Now on to the question, I am assuming that you are rather new to the hobby as a whole so you should probably start at the newer stuff and work your way back. As has already been mentioned you should definitely try Millesime Imperial, Silver Mountain Water, Himalaya, Erolfa and a personal fav of mine Green Valley.

    Once you have your feet wet you can go to the older stuff. The oft-heralded Bois du Portugal is a great place to start, as well as Royal English Leather, and a underrated one Baie de Genievre. I 100% agree with L'aventurier though, you really need to get samples (and Creed SAs are generally very generous with samples), to get a full testing, don't test everyone at the same time.

    Edit: How could I forget Vintage Tabarome! That one too!
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    Don't try Silver Mountain Water, it's an insult to fragrance lovers
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianroy View Post
    Don't try Silver Mountain Water, it's an insult to fragrance lovers
    How could you say this? SMW may be the one that the OP falls in love with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoRoads View Post
    In general, I like the olders Creeds better than the newer fragrances:
    'Vintage' Tabarome (not Tabarome Millesime)
    Royal English Leather
    Bois du Portugal
    Orange Spice
    Acier Aluminum
    Original Vetiver (2004, there's always an exception!)
    Oh yes, and I would add the also-lesser known Baie de Genievre, Epicea, and Bois de Santal, and the amazingly fresh Selection Verte and Bois de Cedrat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Don't listen to Everso when it comes to Creed. I have come to the conclusion that what he hates about Creed is there "faux-aristocratic", tradition-laden persona, and not the scents themselves. By constantly bashing the house he has convinced himself that all of the scents are, in some way, over-priced, boring, copies, etc. etc. If he gave them all a chance with an OPEN mind I think he would come away quite surprised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    btw, please consider joining my CREED ROCKS social group i've created, it'd be great to have more talent in there

    I want in!!! Creed does rock!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Don't listen to Everso when it comes to Creed. I have come to the conclusion that what he hates about Creed is there "faux-aristocratic", tradition-laden persona, and not the scents themselves. By constantly bashing the house he has convinced himself that all of the scents are, in some way, over-priced, boring, copies, etc. etc. If he gave them all a chance with an OPEN mind I think he would come away quite surprised.

    Now on to the question, I am assuming that you are rather new to the hobby as a whole so you should probably start at the newer stuff and work your way back. As has already been mentioned you should definitely try Millesime Imperial, Silver Mountain Water, Himalaya, Erolfa and a personal fav of mine Green Valley.

    Once you have your feet wet you can go to the older stuff. The oft-heralded Bois du Portugal is a great place to start, as well as Royal English Leather, and a underrated one Baie de Genievre. I 100% agree with L'aventurier though, you really need to get samples (and Creed SAs are generally very generous with samples), to get a full testing, don't test everyone at the same time.

    Edit: How could I forget Vintage Tabarome! That one too!


    AGREE ps Green Valley is my favorite.
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    Oh dear, I didn't intend for everso to be such a polarizing agent (not that his response is unexpected, and not that I don't reserve the right to be saying the things he says in the reasonably near future). I really do appreciate the advice, and will start on Creed the next time I go to Neiman's/Bergies in NY... which is either tomorrow or in January.

    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Don't listen to Everso when it comes to Creed. I have come to the conclusion that what he hates about Creed is there "faux-aristocratic", tradition-laden persona, and not the scents themselves. By constantly bashing the house he has convinced himself that all of the scents are, in some way, over-priced, boring, copies, etc. etc. If he gave them all a chance with an OPEN mind I think he would come away quite surprised.

    Now on to the question, I am assuming that you are rather new to the hobby as a whole so you should probably start at the newer stuff and work your way back. As has already been mentioned you should definitely try Millesime Imperial, Silver Mountain Water, Himalaya, Erolfa and a personal fav of mine Green Valley.
    Hrmm, I confess I find the "faux-aristocratic" personal very irritating myself. I find the royal appointments particularly suspicious, as are the "natural" claims [and I hate those claims. I have nothing against synthetics], etc etc etc. But, in all fairness, I'm trying to judge their fragrances on their own and away from their bad marketing.

    Just some background -- I'm not new to fragrances. I've pretty casually collected designer frags for about 4 or 5 years so far (and many of my designer fragrances are from that era). I'm quite new (about a year) into "niche" fragrances, but I wouldn't consider my nose new to the hobby as a whole.

    I realize I have the possibility of falling in love with some other fragrance than the popular ones, but popular fragrances tend to be popular for some reason (hopefully the smell), so there is the greatest possibility of finding a winner if I try the fragrances.

    My current shortlist is:
    'Vintage' Tabarome
    Royal English Leather
    Bois du Portugal
    Acier Aluminum
    Silver Mountain Water
    Himalaya

    Which, at 6 fragrances, I think gives me reasonable exposure.

    That said, I am curious. What does "Millesime" mean in the fragrance names? Is it a sub-line in Creed? (And what do all the bottle shapes signify? I notice there's some tapering ones and straight ones....) I'd try to ask a SA, but the information is likely to be wrong, and I am scared by SAs when shopping.

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    every scent that i have tried from Creed has been unique, original & enjoyable. that alone gets my vote for being a house worth investing in.

    with the exception of Tabarome Millesime, every other scent in the millesime series is worth trying. from the non-Mill series, Two Roads and T_G_L covered some of the best..

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianroy View Post
    Don't try Silver Mountain Water, it's an insult to fragrance lovers
    How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    btw, please consider joining my CREED SUCKS social group i've created, it'd be great to have more talent in there

    Maybe I shall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianroy View Post
    Don't try Silver Mountain Water, it's an insult to fragrance lovers
    Disagree, the blackcurrant note is quite unique in fresh scents. It's the only Creed I find bottle worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    Oh dear, I didn't intend for everso to be such a polarizing agent (not that his response is unexpected, and not that I don't reserve the right to be saying the things he says in the reasonably near future). I really do appreciate the advice, and will start on Creed the next time I go to Neiman's/Bergies in NY... which is either tomorrow or in January.



    Hrmm, I confess I find the "faux-aristocratic" personal very irritating myself. I find the royal appointments particularly suspicious, as are the "natural" claims [and I hate those claims. I have nothing against synthetics], etc etc etc. But, in all fairness, I'm trying to judge their fragrances on their own and away from their bad marketing.

    Just some background -- I'm not new to fragrances. I've pretty casually collected designer frags for about 4 or 5 years so far (and many of my designer fragrances are from that era). I'm quite new (about a year) into "niche" fragrances, but I wouldn't consider my nose new to the hobby as a whole.

    I realize I have the possibility of falling in love with some other fragrance than the popular ones, but popular fragrances tend to be popular for some reason (hopefully the smell), so there is the greatest possibility of finding a winner if I try the fragrances.

    My current shortlist is:
    'Vintage' Tabarome
    Royal English Leather
    Bois du Portugal
    Acier Aluminum
    Silver Mountain Water
    Himalaya

    Which, at 6 fragrances, I think gives me reasonable exposure.

    That said, I am curious. What does "Millesime" mean in the fragrance names? Is it a sub-line in Creed? (And what do all the bottle shapes signify? I notice there's some tapering ones and straight ones....) I'd try to ask a SA, but the information is likely to be wrong, and I am scared by SAs when shopping.
    Please do try Baie de Genievre and Green Valley as well, while not nearly as "popular" it ahs nothing to do with the scent and more to do with what gets pushed and what doesn't, they both are incredibly good frags. Millesime if I'm not mistaken is Creed's word for EDP, I guess that's another thing for Creed haters to hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    Dear BNers,

    I think, at this point, I have a reasonably trained nose. However, the house of Creed still baffles me. I've tried sampling their range twice, and have come away unimpressed. Their number of fragrances is always overwhelming, while I have been underwhelmed by them. Part of me suspects that this might be due to nasal fatigue, and trying to sample entire fragrance departments in one sweep. I know it's a popular line here, so I'm trying to understand it a bit better. (I also know that everso has a particular dislike of this line, and I'm trying to see if it's justified or not)

    So my question is -- what are the noteworthy, and particularly popular fragrances from this house? I understand that these things are subjective, and I should trust my own nose at the end of the day, but I can't sample the line in one go and I need a starting point. I've already tried GIT (which I admit is rather nice), but I'm not sure where to work from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightbringer View Post
    Hrmm, I confess I find the "faux-aristocratic" personal very irritating myself. I find the royal appointments particularly suspicious, as are the "natural" claims [and I hate those claims. I have nothing against synthetics], etc etc etc. But, in all fairness, I'm trying to judge their fragrances on their own and away from their bad marketing.
    And that is how a perfume should be judged. Disliking or liking a fragrance because of the marketing used to sell says more about the person doing the judging than it does the perfume or the perfume house.
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    With so many creeds, at first, due to price, and judging them off 1or2 sprays on a card, I dismissed much of the house. With larger, 5-10 spray samplings, I really began to appreciate the bases, and development of the line.

    THere are still only a dozen I think I could wear, and only 4 deemed bottle worthy so far.

    But I'd say test one or two frags in a day, and apply heavily, smelling their development throughout the day.
    Even the scents you know you would never wear, you will likely have an appreciation for how well done each of it's many developmental stages is executed.
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    The few I like are not the more popular ones:

    Royal English Leather
    Royal Scottish Lavender
    Chevrefuille (no one ever mentions this one)
    Bois de Cedrat
    Epicea
    Vanisia
    Angelique Encens

    Of those I thought that only English Leather was bottle worthy and Vanisia decant-worthy. I wouldn't object if I received a bottle of the others, but I wouldn't buy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surreality View Post
    And that is how a perfume should be judged. Disliking or liking a fragrance because of the marketing used to sell says more about the person doing the judging than it does the perfume or the perfume house.
    Amen to that!
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    Amen to that!
    ohh, how did i miss that! A*men
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    Quote Originally Posted by surreality View Post
    And that is how a perfume should be judged. Disliking or liking a fragrance because of the marketing used to sell says more about the person doing the judging than it does the perfume or the perfume house.
    LOL. i've tried nearly (still haven't tried a few) every Creed fragrance available in NYC...and they're all within the realm of mediocrity......none of them have any boldness, intrigue, or ingenuity. they play it safe...and they are basically renowned because of the hype they create. IT IS NOT I, who has created this hype.....

    on top of that....they have a false history, which is unconfirmed by all accounts...

    then we'll get to the horrifically boring image and pseudo-aristrocratic concerns....far from being the most relavant in this discussion----but certainly the most humorous.

    in a world of such glorious, fascinating fragrances----i have know idea why so many lemmings spend their money on Creeds. But oh well...it's a free world! do as you wish!
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