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    Default Re: Dior Homme Vs Gucci Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by ToughCool View Post
    Fine by me but I think you were harsh in your assessment regarding someones opinion. An opinion on a scent is one thing. An opinion on a persons assessment is another ballgame. I guess degrade isn't calling a person feminine if they find it offensive I didn't single you out...I just replied to your post and made a statement. I said I was disappointed in many people I respected in the thread. I thought this type of stuff was behind people.
    that was not a "reply" to my post...that was a post telling me what to say and what not to say in my post with regards to my "opinion". There is a BIG difference. Obviously you don't see it....a continuing problem on here it seems.
    Last edited by everso; 19th January 2009 at 06:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    that was not a "reply" to my post...that was a post telling me what to say and what not to say in my post with regards to my "opinion". There is a BIG difference. Obviously you don't see it....a continuing problem on here it seems.
    Saying "it's only feminine, if you are feminine" is a definitive statement regarding someone. It has nothing to do with their opinion on a scent. It is your way of being an a-hole because people don't think like you. That is the problem many have here. People telling them what is supposed to be good and how lesser they are for having another opinion. Keep telling yourself it is ok. In my profession I ignore dozens of people like you daily. They all have their self importance just a little too high.
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    Default Re: Dior Homme Vs Gucci Envy

    Why do I feel like every discussion thread that Everso posts on turns into an Everso vs. "the other members" thread. Seems like someone is a little desperate for attention. Again, this is a perfect example, as usual (Toughcool, as well as other members have a right to call a fragrance "feminine," "masculaine," etc.... I am sorry you do not agree but you, once again, are turining this thread into, what I like to call, "An Everso attention getting thread.").
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    Default Re: Dior Homme Vs Gucci Envy

    Quote Originally Posted by ToughCool View Post
    Saying "it's only feminine, if you are feminine" is a definitive statement regarding someone. It has nothing to do with their opinion on a scent. It is your way of being an a-hole because people don't think like you. That is the problem many have here. People telling them what is supposed to be good and how lesser they are for having another opinion. Keep telling yourself it is ok. In my profession I ignore dozens of people like you daily. They all have their self importance just a little too high.
    LOL. wow...someone has some pented up anger....don't worry. everything's gonna be aaaaalright.

    i think my statement was very valid actually...considering the fragrance being discussed and how it seems to teeter on the border of masculine/feminine.

    it's unfortunate that you've headed down an insultive, argumentative path with your posts....but that's ok! i don't mind. keep going

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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    LOL. wow...someone has some pented up anger....don't worry. everything's gonna be aaaaalright.

    i think my statement was very valid actually...considering the fragrance being discussed and how it seems to teeter on the border of masculine/feminine.

    it's unfortunate that you've headed down an insultive, argumentative path with your posts....but that's ok! i don't mind. keep going
    There is zero anger involved in my posts. I think you have some issues though when everyone who disagrees with your assessment is called a name. That is exactly what you did and your only counterpoint is that "your opinion" makes it feminine/masculine. The minute you wake up to the fact that this is a "personal" opinion message board the quicker you will get that your opinion is no better than the newbie that posts from Day 1. I'll let you try to stir the pot with someone who might find recess behavior fascinating. Stop trying to ruin the fun for the adults.
    Last edited by ToughCool; 19th January 2009 at 07:20 PM.
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    There is no feminine feelings in this one... in my nose.. That "lippstick" thing going on here is just nonsense! It`s a very elegant scent, and has already got status as a classic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToughCool View Post
    Stop trying to ruin the fun for the adults.
    i'm gonna throw this statement right back at you...although i must admit your current temper tantrum is quite entertaining!
    Last edited by everso; 19th January 2009 at 07:24 PM.

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    I prefer Envy, it is somehow closer to my personality and taste. On me, Envy smells just flawlessly and is the ultimate thing of beauty, the very material my dreams about elegance, class and style are made of. Nothing against Dior Homme, which got me lots of compliments as well, but Envy has just grown into becoming one of my favorites.
    Currently wearing: Citrus & Wood by Yardley

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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    actually the only reason i sold it was to make room for some other, more hardcore leather fragrances that i've been wanting. i'm not someone who wants to collect alot of bottles...i'd like to keep them in a reasonable number-----which is why i sold my bottle of Dior Homme.

    the primary reason i sold it, is because it is in production, easy to find, easy to buy-----unlike some of the other fragrances i'm after these days!

    i wouldn't call it super masculine or anything, but i certainly never thought of it as feminine either.....i just think it's a very nicely made, soft, and elegant fragrance for confident people.....
    I hear ya...

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    Basically this is a "man off the street" test.... Re whether Dior Homme is feminine or not, I simply asked another straight married guy at work whether he would wear it without telling him what it is (off a strip, not on me).

    He said, "Yes - for a special night out with the wife."
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    Even as a BN newbie I never felt the fem/mas distinctions are important when picking a perfume. It just has to smell good. I recently got Prada's Iris over Prada Infusion Homme because the fem version smells better. I've got Beyond Paradise (not the For Men version cause I hate it) in my BN Wardrobe and have worn it to work before. Even on Basenotes I bet there will be very few guys (of whatever sexual orientation) who would be secure or daring enough to wear that (a symphonic super-floral-scent) to work!

    I don't worry about being labeled anything - I know who I am. Underneath the thoughtful metrosexual exterior is a straight, boorish male who likes discussing perfumes as much as he likes telling dirty jokes which will get him instantly banned from Basenotes if he tells it here.

    As a longtime lurker, even I felt there's an undercurrent of having to defend one's masculinity amongst some male perfumistas here. No naming names.

    Thing is, guys - liking feminine scent is not a sign that you're gay or effeminate. Watching lots of gay porn would be a sign that you're gay. Being scared of spiders and rats that you have to get a friend to kill them for you - that's what makes you effeminate. :P
    Last edited by GourmandHomme; 19th January 2009 at 08:04 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regis Philbin View Post
    I don't smell cocoa or banana bread! Dang... I wish I could find a banana bread scent, I'd be in heaven..
    Maybe I'm the only one, but I swear I'm reminded of bannana-nut bread when I smell it. Kinda off topic, but don't you think A*men smells a lot like those fig Newton cookies???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    I don't take anything personally, and of course you can give your comments - just as I gave mine. I simply don't think the label "feminine" is a helpful description/opinion because it's vague and means different things to different people. Saying something is feminine doesn't tell us anything substantive about the fragrance. For every description of what 'feminine' may mean, I could find a masculine marketed fragrance that meets that description. Floral? Sweet? Fruity? There are masculines that fit these descriptions. My point is that ultimately what is 'feminine' and 'masculine' is subjective, thus the labels are meaningless.

    What notes and accords of Dior Homme are 'feminine'? The leather? Cocoa? Iris? More importantly, what feminine fragrances smell like Dior Homme? Is the opinion that it's feminine based on actual comparison to feminine fragrances? The fact that someone along the line made the 'lipstick' criticism has become the basis for the 'smells like makeup' comments, and from what I can tell from my wife's makeup bag, it's not even the slightest bit close. I don't smell cocoa, iris, vetiver, or leather in her makeup. Just like many people think Helmut Lang has a 'butter' note, close analysis reveals that the confluence of many notes create a buttery feel - there's no 'butter' note. Similarly, the confluence of some Dior Homme topnotes may superficially create a vibe like certain lipsticks, but this is fleeting and does represent the entirety of Dior Homme as a fragrance - certainly not the drydown.

    Describing what someone doesn't like about a fragrance is much more helpful than an amorphous label like 'feminine'. I also happen to think that 'feminine' is not a helpful or necessarily valid criticism because there's nothing wrong with something that smells 'feminine', and even if Dior Homme smelled feminine (it does not), that doesn't explain why it is or isn't a fragrance to recommend, sample, or own. If someone likes Dior Homme, they shouldn't be made to feel like there's something wrong with it because someone else interprets masculine smells in one particular way. It just happens to be my opinion that gender labels are essentially meaningless and if someone truly appreciates the artistry of perfumery, a fragrance's placement in the women's or men's counter shouldn't matter. It's unfortunate that people are stuck with antiquated notions that they must only wear fragrances marketed to them, and I'll do my best to articulate an alternate viewpoint.
    I think your post makes a whole heluva lot of sense. I think because Dior is a lighter, non intrusive/offensive/heavy/loud fragrance, it is percieved as a feminine scent. The whole lipstick/purse thing though, I too don't get. That one still leaves be scratching my head, cuz I don't think it smells anything like those two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakepurseninja View Post
    Well the OP gets banana out of Dior Homme, which is definitely a phallic, and thus VERY masculine fruit.
    Staying on topic, the question here is not lipstick or not, but banana vs. oatmeal. And, I'm sorry, oatmeal is the kind of thing that ruins even the sunniest morning, so it HAS TO BE DIOR HOMME. Period.

    Then again, oatmeal with bananas... No I don't think one should layer Envy with Dior Homme.
    lol! Funny post!

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    to OP: Dior Homme. it's a darn good scent. a kind which will keep you interested till finishes. Envy on the other hand is plain boring.

    off topic:

    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    What notes and accords of Dior Homme are 'feminine'? The leather? Cocoa? Iris? More importantly, what feminine fragrances smell like Dior Homme? Is the opinion that it's feminine based on actual comparison to feminine fragrances?
    why this on slaught to anyone who uses the "feminine" word? why does it shake some peoples manliness here? the classic eg. is, you yourself by quoting the above believe certain scents are feminine. so, somehow, you have the liberty to decide what is feminine?

    Quote Originally Posted by bbBD View Post
    My point is that ultimately what is 'feminine' and 'masculine' is subjective, thus the labels are meaningless.
    yes! it is subjective! just like you pointed out above! meaningless or not, let the user decide. it's still a free community, isnt it?
    Last edited by jenson; 20th January 2009 at 05:39 AM.

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