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    Default If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    to do think it'd be a popular seller?

    PPH is widely regarded as the finest men's fragrance ever released, though others might propose another candidate, and others might even debate what "best" means. To me, though, this is far and away my Holy Grail of scents. The notes and the blending are beyod masterful, and no other scent in my collection makes me feel better about wearing it.

    That being said, though, I wonder if PPH would make it in today's market. It's a "dated" scent, and by "dated," I don't mean it smells old-fashioned or like your granddad's scent. It just means that it's a very formal scent, far more appropriate for the boardroom meeting than, say, working around the house or going clubbing. Mass tastes have changed away from fragrances being formal to being casual and approachable, "fresh/aquatic"
    In fact, if you go to Macy's or any other popular retailer, there are very few "formal" scents out there. I would think of a few Chanels (Pour Monsieur) or a few Guerlains (Mouchoir de Monsieur) that fit this category, and even they aren't sold popularly. Can see see the look on the average guy's face after he samples a Boss or a Aqua de Gio and then sniffs MdM? And of course these sell only a fraction of the more formal scents. Most "formal" scents seem to be almost exclusively, though not wholly, niche.

    My answer would be no. Outside of fragrance lovers like B'noters, I think the mass audience would dismiss a re-released PPH. I don't know why this one was discontinued to start with, but I suspect like most fragrances that get discontined, the answer is that it just didn't make enough money. While WE could buy it, I wonder if the "average" guy, for which fragrance rarely crosses his mind, would find this one appealing.

    You think? And if it WERE re-released, would it somehow slightly tarish its mystique?
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    I can't think of one incidence where a discontinued fragrance, that has been re-released, has subsequently become a 'hit'. Anybody disagree?
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    first of all, i've never tried Patou Pour Homme.

    2nd of all....it was likely discontinued for a reason....as far as i know it was never a 'big seller'...and probably never would be.

    it definitely has one of THE ugliest bottles i've ever seen...and if it was introduced today again with that bottle, i can't really see men gravitating toward that bottle with the name "Patou"...not exactly a 'badass' name---------sounds like a short fat bald man selling 2 day-old newspapers on a street corner!

    the mainstream market wants 'cool' and 'modern' and 'interesting'....Patou doesn't seem like any of those. It might be a great scent with great construction----but that means NOTHING to the general public....look at the most popular scents at the moment--- most of em are absolute pish.
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    diagnosis:stop seeing their ridiculous prices ( i see here for +300 dollars,ridiculous) and fall in popularity.

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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    There would certainly be a market for it, but how much would have to sell to be a commercial success?
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    No.

    I agree with just about everything that's already been said. I think today's mainstream fragrance consumer would unfortunately consider one of the finest masculine fragrances ever created to be too strong, too stuffy, too old man. Sigh...

    Sure, there would be a small market for it, but probably not enough to be worth Patou's effort. And of course it would have to be reformulated first and who knows how that would turn out!

    Until we can wean most people off fragrance Kool-Aid and get them onto fragrance fine wines I suppose we should be grateful that we have anything of substance remaining on the market.

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    Release it under a different name as a $300 niche, add some Iso E Super and you may have a high end hit. Actually Privé would be the better choice for a re-release, though.
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    Aside from the fact that I disagree with your basic premise ("PPH is widely regarded as the finest men's fragrance ever released"), I'll answer: no.
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    It wouldn't sell. Not at stores like Macy's.

    I can't see a girl picking up the bottle in the first place (It's not colorful or endorsed by a celebrity), and sniffing it and liking it. It's "too much of what it is", if that makes any sense. Notes actually present themselves. The experience is almost shockingly resolute. Too specific for today's bubble-gummy crowd. If we muddied everything together, and added the common synthetic overtone, tripled the sweetness factor, and had Pierce Brosnan's face on the display at Target, then it would sell.

    Can you tell that I've lost faith in the tastes of those around me?
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    honestly, i dont know. practically, if Creed's Bos Du Portugal has a market...or if Guerlains Heritage still has a market, then i dont see a reason why this shouldnt. i have no idea on as to how people outside Basenotes view this but this, is no ordinary scent & it fulfills all the criteria of a perfect scent which is, it smells great, has complex progressions, top notch quality & amazing staying power.

    on the packaging, to each his own. i find the presentation discreet but with class. just see the photos posted on "post a picture of your collection" thread. Patou Ph bottle looks majestic(to me).

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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    If this "Patou" were re-released or never had be discontinued, it would never have been sorely missed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scentronic View Post
    Too specific for today's bubble-gummy crowd. If we muddied everything together, and added the common synthetic overtone, tripled the sweetness factor, and had Pierce Brosnan's face on the display at Target, then it would sell.

    Can you tell that I've lost faith in the tastes of those around me?
    That's classic!
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Despite of everything being said, I'm pretty sure it would sell. Not a huge seller like Armani Code or Acqua di Gio, but more like Givenchy Gentleman or Van Cleef & Arpels pour homme. Especially if you market it as a niche and make it expensive.

    Patou's Joy was a big seller after the 1929 crash, being marketed as the most expensive of the world. Also Patou pour homme evokes a kind of luxury that may be very appealing these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rorschuck View Post
    Aside from the fact that I disagree with your basic premise ("PPH is widely regarded as the finest men's fragrance ever released"), I'll answer: no.
    What, in your opinion, is?

    Or is that a meaningless question?

    LOL..this has the makings of a new thread..."What's the Finest Men's Cologne Ever Made?"
    Last edited by Butthead53; 11th February 2009 at 04:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butthead53 View Post
    What, in your opinion, is?

    Or is that a meaningless question?

    LOL..this has the makings of a new thread..."What's the Finest Men's Cologne Ever Made?"
    In my opinion (not worth much), it would probably be vintage Derby, by Guerlain.
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by rorschuck View Post
    In my opinion (not worth much), it would probably be vintage Derby, by Guerlain.
    Derby would be knocked out in the 2nd round by Knize Ten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by everso View Post
    Derby would be knocked out in the 2nd round by Knize Ten.
    And then New York and Azzaro PH would tag-team Ten's punkass after the bell!
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Patou sucks. I bought a sample of PPH and the Prive, and I still don't get it. Maybe if I make it to 50 y/o, it'll make sense to me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwiz View Post
    if I make it to 50 y/o, it'll make sense to me?
    is there any hope/guarantee of you making (sense) then...?

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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Larwiz View Post
    Patou sucks. I bought a sample of PPH and the Prive, and I still don't get it. Maybe if I make it to 50 y/o, it'll make sense to me?
    I see from other thread that Eau Sauvage doesn't make any sense to you either, so don't worry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenson View Post
    is there any hope/guarantee of you making (sense) then...?
    Well if I cut back on the fatty foods, perhaps I will make it to 50 and learn to appreciate this fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    I see from other thread that Eau Sauvage doesn't make any sense to you either, so don't worry.
    Neither make no sense at all. There are fragrances FAAAAR superior than these two.

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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Larwiz View Post
    Neither make no sense at all. There are fragrances FAAAAR superior than these two.
    That's ok for me, but could you name some of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by larwiz View Post
    patou sucks. I bought a sample of pph and the prive, and i still don't get it. Maybe if i make it to 50 y/o, it'll make sense to me?
    Quote Originally Posted by larwiz View Post
    neither make no sense at all. There are fragrances faaaar superior than these two.
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Snafoo View Post
    must....not....respond......
    you know you wanna reply..

    COME ON!

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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by Snafoo View Post
    must....not....respond......

    Oh come on....everyone has a right to an opinion...

    We can't put people's heads on a gun point & tell them to confess that they 'love' patou pour homme....

    Some like it, some 'love' it, some think 'it is juice of the gods' & ofcourse some think it is 'worthless'.

    Ofcourse the opinions keep changing all the time....when I tried Patou ph for the first time, it didn't blow me away .....well now....
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    Default Re: If Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today...

    Quote Originally Posted by the_good_life View Post
    Release it under a different name as a $300 niche, add some Iso E Super and you may have a high end hit.
    Add enough Iso E Super and it would likely bear some resemblance to Ormonde Man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    That's ok for me, but could you name some of them?

    See my wardrobe.

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    Nice wardrobe, Larwiz. Thanks for answering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snafoo View Post
    must....not....respond......
    Sorry.

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