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    Patou pour Homme is endlessly interesting fragrance. It smells great too. If it was rereleased it would need a total makeover of the bottle design and box design. But, if it got an updated image to move away from the big 80's disco look - it would do as well as any other excellent niche scents.

    But think of all these that are great scents that have literally no USA distribution.

    Czech & Speake No. 88
    Kolnisch Juchten
    Pascal Morabito OR Black
    Black Aoud
    Miller Harris Nouvelle Edition Series
    Serge Lutens Muscs Kublai Khan
    Macassar pour Homme

    All of these are fantastic fragrances but distribution is so limited that their sales must be very very low. It is difficult for a company to get national distribution in the USA unless they are a part of one of the major conglomerates. So I think PPH would never do extremely well because how the fragrance is, is seldom the reason sales are good. That comes from marketing excellence.

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    [QUOTE=smeller;1432285]Nice wardrobe, Larwiz. Thanks for answering.

    Any time...

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    If Patou por homme were rereleased, it would certainly be a hit with me.
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    with such absurd bottle prices how can i sample it? and will the sample even be any good after all this time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwiz View Post
    See my wardrobe.
    All I can see is... MAN you got a sweet taste!!! Don't you feel a little too famine or cloying?

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    What ugly bottles, big 80s disco look??? Are you people serious? Perhaps discreet and elegant.., no makeover needed at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phibess View Post
    What ugly bottles, big 80s disco look??? Are you people serious? Perhaps discreet and elegant.., no makeover needed at all.
    Well this is all make believe anyway. It's just an opnion. If I could direct the reintroduction of PPH how would I present it?

    You are right, their bottles are elegant in modern way. Patou did the 80's modern look well. But "modern elegance" is very old fashioned nowadays. Something more post modern, or probably natural minimalism, or softer and more useable. It's just my opinion, but I think their bottles are unappealing in style and totally outdated. Also, the flat style bottle like the second photo (I've owned both Prive and PPH in this style) is incredibly difficult to use! It is oblong and takes up lots of shelf space and awkward to remove the cap.

    Modern elegance was all the style in the 80's and Jean Patou did a nice job of elegant looking bottles and how about those burl wood looking boxes! Elegance was all about sleek lines and luxurious looking finishes. It was appropriate for the times, but times have changed! Modern and Elegant is not as appealing in todays world of product presentation. I would say go with a more minimal softer design that keeps the angular original geometry of the bottles but removes the flashy glitzy look and replaces this with natural richness, softer textures. Try understated finishes and easier to use bottle designs. Replace the "Cadillac" or "Lincoln Town Car" look with a "Lexus" or new "Bentley" look. Softer natural minimalism rather than hard and shiny elegance.

    But nobody will be asking me anyway so I am just saying in response to "if Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today . . ." I would amend the product presentation slightly so people would be aware it is a new product but also aware that it kept the best of the old product - the unchanged fragrance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by abc1234 View Post
    All I can see is... MAN you got a sweet taste!!! Don't you feel a little too famine or cloying?
    I feel like a man who knows he can catch more bees with honey than, say, vinegar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    I can't think of one incidence where a discontinued fragrance, that has been re-released, has subsequently become a 'hit'. Anybody disagree?
    Since no one else has attempted to answer Ruggles's question, let me try: is DK Fuel for Men an example of this phenomenon?

    Quote Originally Posted by Larwiz View Post
    Patou sucks. I bought a sample of PPH and the Prive, and I still don't get it. Maybe if I make it to 50 y/o, it'll make sense to me?
    There's a big difference between saying "I don't get X" or "I don't like X" and saying "X sucks." The first two are expressions of one's personal opinion that leave room for others to disagree; the last is a claim that those who disagree are entirely wrong.

    And you don't have to be 50 (I know I'm not) to think that "PPH sucks!" or "Eau Sauvage sucks!" are pretty silly opinions, even if you don't happen to like these perfumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhinClio View Post
    Since no one else has attempted to answer Ruggles's question, let me try: is DK Fuel for Men an example of this phenomenon?



    There's a big difference between saying "I don't get X" or "I don't like X" and saying "X sucks." The first two are expressions of one's personal opinion that leave room for others to disagree; the last is a claim that those who disagree are entirely wrong.

    And you don't have to be 50 (I know I'm not) to think that "PPH sucks!" or "Eau Sauvage sucks!" are pretty silly opinions, even if you don't happen to like these perfumes.
    Perceptions, perspectives and opinions...that's what these forums entail. If you think my opinion is silly, guess what? That is your...what was the word I used?...OPINION. I think Patou sucks. My opinion. I think your opinion that my opinion is silly...is silly. lol (<---excuse my vindictiveness, lol) Ok, seriously...silly is not the word to describe your opinion of what I said...it's moreso amusing.

    Ya know, as I perused through this thread, I really asked myself if it was just me...if my opinion was somehow isolated. I asked my best friend to try both fragrances. He liked neither. I had my 58 y/o father try Eau Sauvage and Kouros at the same time on each wrist...he liked Kouros SURPRISINGLY (because I don't) and his exact words for E.S. were "No! This one stinks". Stinks! Hahahahahahahahaha!!! That one really tickled me. Easily tickled perhaps, lol. About the Patou and Prive...part of the reason I am so passionate about my dislike for these two is because my expectations were SOOO high! I mean...I've lurked in the most compliment threads/superfluous threads, and I constantly saw these two mentioned. So, I was very excited when I recieved my sample of the two via mail. I anxiously popped them open, placed both on each wrist, and sniffed. Sniffed, sniffed, and sniffed. I had my father try them both as well. Neither of us were impressed. I was disappointed. And I guess I may be somewhat vocal about my opinion of these fragrances because I simply feel they have not earned the praise they get. Aparently, many disagree. That's fine. My opinion remains the same though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phibess View Post
    What ugly bottles, big 80s disco look??? Are you people serious? Perhaps discreet and elegant.., no makeover needed at all.

    I just looked at your photos of Patou and it caused me to develop a pup tent.

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    I suppose it's a good thing that there many choices in fragrances. clearly not everyone is able to appreciate and enjoy the same things. I imagine the ability to detect certainly subtleties is not a trait we all share. It's likely genetically determined how we perceive fragrance and you can't blame those who "don't get it." Not everyone's body is capable of producing the desired effect with a frag.

    As for Patou Pour Homme. To have lived through its production helps to understand its place as one of the great male frags of the century. It was unique. It stood out as refined yet modern. It never got trendy so it was never overused. I still have an old bottle and think that it certainly has a valid marketability today. It may not be the biggest money maker of the year but it would sell. frankly, I who needs another flash-in-the-pan, media blitzed, cologne du jour? Not me. Give me a well blended, complex, layered, fragrance experience that grabs me for its quality and not a flashy font across an airbrushed body part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzzlepuff View Post
    Well this is all make believe anyway. It's just an opnion. If I could direct the reintroduction of PPH how would I present it?

    You are right, their bottles are elegant in modern way. Patou did the 80's modern look well. But "modern elegance" is very old fashioned nowadays. Something more post modern, or probably natural minimalism, or softer and more useable. It's just my opinion, but I think their bottles are unappealing in style and totally outdated. Also, the flat style bottle like the second photo (I've owned both Prive and PPH in this style) is incredibly difficult to use! It is oblong and takes up lots of shelf space and awkward to remove the cap.

    Modern elegance was all the style in the 80's and Jean Patou did a nice job of elegant looking bottles and how about those burl wood looking boxes! Elegance was all about sleek lines and luxurious looking finishes. It was appropriate for the times, but times have changed! Modern and Elegant is not as appealing in todays world of product presentation. I would say go with a more minimal softer design that keeps the angular original geometry of the bottles but removes the flashy glitzy look and replaces this with natural richness, softer textures. Try understated finishes and easier to use bottle designs. Replace the "Cadillac" or "Lincoln Town Car" look with a "Lexus" or new "Bentley" look. Softer natural minimalism rather than hard and shiny elegance.

    But nobody will be asking me anyway so I am just saying in response to "if Patou Pour Homme Were Released Today . . ." I would amend the product presentation slightly so people would be aware it is a new product but also aware that it kept the best of the old product - the unchanged fragrance!
    Thanks for the post. A more minimal softer design sounds good. I respect your opinion although I don't consider these bottles to have a typical 80s (let alone disco) look. If you look at their older perfume bottles like Joy or 1000 you'll see that Patou was using this or very similar design including the oblong angular bottles long before the launch of PPH. I've always seen the PPH oblong bottle as being very much in line with the older Patou bottles/style. If I had to make any changes then it would be the box, which could perhaps be plain black with white print in style of, say, Egoiste.

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    On the mass/general market, I posit, Patou pour Homme would today go over like a turd in the governor's punch bowl.
    On the niche market, though, it would thrive as it did in the general market over two decades ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AromiErotici View Post
    I just looked at your photos of Patou and it caused me to develop a pup tent.

    Ditto that; I've got wood just lookin' at 'em!

    As I said in the thread starter, PPH is "dated" but not in the traditional sense. Both the bottle and the juice are elegant and timeless.

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