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    I described the smokiness of some Tauers in my post above as "acrid" and "medicinal", ie a tingling, stinging, "smoke gets in your eyes and makes them water" sensation, which sounds as though it ties in nicely with the barbecue process evoked so vividly by Asha. I think Strollyourlobster also hit it on the head when he used the word "abrasive". That is an excellent catch all word to explain why I cannot get on with most of the line, though L'Air is great, and Incense Extreme a strangely mild mannered anomaly.
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    Mastorer,
    Perhaps it might do you some good to take some genuine (or even not so genuine) criticism for what it is? If perfumistas and perfumistos or what not are the ficklest of buyers, then why do you engage with them or care about them? Perhaps because those are the only people who would even pay any attention to you. Kind of ironic how bad mouthing (or atleast frustrated) towards your clientele you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudassir View Post
    Mastorer,
    Perhaps it might do you some good to take some genuine (or even not so genuine) criticism for what it is? If perfumistas and perfumistos or what not are the ficklest of buyers, then why do you engage with them or care about them? Perhaps because those are the only people who would even pay any attention to you. Kind of ironic how bad mouthing (or atleast frustrated) towards your clientele you are.
    Ouch, dude...

    I don't know you from anyone and I don't want to be mean, but I think Mastorer was just trying to make the point that he hopes we don't forget that small niche companies are run by people with feelings and both monetary and emotional investment in their work.

    And no one's forcing anyone to like it. But if someone hates something, there's no reason to be flippant and cruel just because the internet makes it so easy to be that way.

    At some point, early in the development of the internet, the nerds starting it decided that, on the internet, it was ok to harshly criticize for the sake of bitchiness and shock value instead of for the sake of true constructive criticism. Sadly, that lives on today, Basenotes occasionally included.

    Michael, please keep doing what you're doing.

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    Thank you so much for speaking out on my behalf, Rogalal, and encouraging me to continue with what I love to do.
    Your words were well chosen and much better than I apparently expressed the concept.
    It certainly is not that I don't like perfumistas(os).
    Everyone knows that people who are interested in fashion, follow fashion where it goes next and what was hot yesterday is not what's hot today, etc. etc. I guess it was unfortunate that I chose the word "fickle" to describe this phenomenon. I certainly did NOT mean to offend anybody by that word.

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    Rosalal,
    What does it have to do with feelings? Luca Turin or Chandler Blurr rip some scents apart. They probably shouldn't be as harsh as they somethimes are. But, at the end of the day, its a piece of art. Just because I might or might not have put my heart and soul into creating something, doesn't mean I should feel offended and start being a cry baby if some people bash it. Storer would himself kiss the floor Turin or Burr wals on in order to get them to review it, despite of them seemingly hurting the feelings of his fellow artisans.

    I do understand niche companies have monetary needs or what not. The proof, my friend, lies in the pudding. There are quite a few small time niche artists whom the same fickle permistos or perfumistas spend more than twice of what Mr. Storer sells his scents for. Until 4-5 years ago, he would have been doing whatever his other part-time gig was instead of being a "perfumer" had it not been for sites like this. But instead of coming on a board that is his bread and butter and engaging in constructive criticism himself, while fully expecting some very minority to bash the hell out of something for shock value, he starts being a cry baby.

    And this certainly wasn't an isolated incident. Perhaps you haven't followed the intellectual constructive "way ahead of anybody else" criticism from him on this thread:

    http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=227909



    Quote Originally Posted by rogalal View Post
    Ouch, dude...

    I don't know you from anyone and I don't want to be mean, but I think Mastorer was just trying to make the point that he hopes we don't forget that small niche companies are run by people with feelings and both monetary and emotional investment in their work.

    And no one's forcing anyone to like it. But if someone hates something, there's no reason to be flippant and cruel just because the internet makes it so easy to be that way.

    At some point, early in the development of the internet, the nerds starting it decided that, on the internet, it was ok to harshly criticize for the sake of bitchiness and shock value instead of for the sake of true constructive criticism. Sadly, that lives on today, Basenotes occasionally included.

    Michael, please keep doing what you're doing.

    Mudassir, I've enjoyed many of the things you've posted - I hope I'm just taking this the wrong way.
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    Sorry.

    I'm just trying to be nice to everyone.

    Maybe Mr. Storer would be better off using BN to promote his frags and ignore the stew of occasionally-negative community comments, for his own sanity. I write music and make it a point to not read sites where I know some people don't like the stuff I put out.

    And, thanks to great moderators here and a lot of amazing members, Basenotes is usually an oasis of calm in an internet full of mean-spirited rudeness. I just like it that way - it's absolutely nothing personal against Mudassir at all (his link proves that Storer can give it as good as take it...).

    Anyway, I'm sorry I got involved and here's hoping a moderator kills this thread and we can get on to the important business of asking each other if we think things are masterpieces or not and trying to convince noobs to try Creed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudassir View Post
    Rosalal,
    What does it have to do with feelings? Luca Turin or Chandler Blurr rip some scents apart. They probably shouldn't be as harsh as they somethimes are. But, at the end of the day, its a piece of art. Just because I might or might not have put my heart and soul into creating something, doesn't mean I should feel offended and start being a cry baby if some people bash it. Storer would himself kiss the floor Turin or Burr wals on in order to get them to review it, despite of them seemingly hurting the feelings of his fellow artisans.

    I do understand niche companies have monetary needs or what not. The proof, my friend, lies in the pudding. There are quite a few small time niche artists whom the same fickle permistos or perfumistas spend more than twice of what Mr. Storer sells his scents for. Until 4-5 years ago, he would have been doing whatever his other part-time gig was instead of being a "perfumer" had it not been for sites like this. But instead of coming on a board that is his bread and butter and engaging in constructive criticism himself, while fully expecting some very minority to bash the hell out of something for shock value, he starts being a cry baby.

    And this certainly wasn't an isolated incident. Perhaps you haven't followed the intellectual constructive "way ahead of anybody else" criticism from him on this thread:

    http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=227909
    i agree with Mudassir 100%.

    and Mr. Rogalal, this site was built upon the strength of peoples view and not the industries. and if there are perfumers visiting this site, it's purely based on the fact that they would get honest opinins on their products. if a scent SUCKS, we are free to say so!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basteri View Post
    Tonight, two hours ago, I sprayed in each hand:
    Lonestar Memories
    Reverie au Jardin.

    I felt sick to my stomach literally and rush to wash my hands. Overwhelming ...perhaps it was the combination of both that did the damage.
    Does anyone actually wear this? When I first tried on paper Lonestar I really liked it, I thought it was incredible original and special. Today I have changed my mind, this stuff will give me an instant headache and will make my stomach uneasy, not to mention the people around me.
    Is the L'air du désert marocain also that "strong" ?...
    Yes it is! Actually, the ingredients are about as dense as in Lonestar, but due to their different nature the whole impact of L'Air is 'mind blowing'. It depends on the wearer if he finds those blows heavenly or hellish! I couldn't decide on that for a while but as the negative impressions grew, I traded my 3.4 bottle away (it was still almost full after two years).

    Falling ill from simply sampling a scent can happen. Reporting that shouldn't necessarily degrade it. I see it as a warning from my body's alarm system, and best perfumes have caused that to me, like when sampling Lutens' perfumes I strongly reacted to Un Lys and Fleur d'Oranger.The same happened once trying two sprays only of Musc Ravageur (which I love).

    Now to Lonestar: it is one of the very few that seem to really have birch tar included . People often talk about birch tar in context with leathers. I doubt that many leather accords really contain the tar. The vast majority seems to have birch oil instead (think of birch oil as diluted tar). When I wanted to experiment with BT they hesitated to really fill off like 15 ml at the apothecary. It would be way too strong to any nose, they said. And they were almost correct. As a layman I found no way to dilute that enough by hand to turn it into something pleasant on human skin, and my experiments led me to feel terribly sick twice. I had to pause for days not to induce the feeling again. And now I even don't touch the diluted stuff. To me it's clear what made you fell so ill, Basteri, and I symphathize! .

    I am relatively late posting this - for one reason mainly: I live near Zurich, Tauer lives in Zurich, and I have met him more than once at his vernissages (usually around X-mas). We could have become friends, but I knew this would perhaps not happen if I wanted to be open about his perfumes and marketing. But I can filter what I must say in public, and we can stay on friendly terms. There is nothing else that Le Maroc and L'Air could really be compared to, I agree. Both contain quality ingredients, that is obvious. I like those ingredients very much, why else would I love Ambre Sultan ? And should a man or woman walk by my desk in a street café wearing one or the other I would also enjoy the trail, but close up for more than seconds I find both über-ambitious and louder than necessary.


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    @ Michael Storer re: " It's exacly like overhearing that your child has a face uglier than a pan of worms..., etc. "

    I hear you. And I really appreciate your being here and also talking openly. The same holds true for Abdessalam (Profumo.it) and the presence of René (Les Nez). But I have a good answer to you only in cases where your babies are being received well by us perfume fans. Maybe it would be worthwhile to discuss optimal forms of criticism in a future thread.

    For now, let me say this: I wanted to not eat my fish as a child, and as an older person I also want to be free to criticize perfumes (and perfume critics) as much as is politely possible in clear language. It's never nice to rain on anybodies parade, so I hold back a lot of times. I think everybody should always monitor himself a little. But occasionally it's necessary to lean against the storm ! As a whole, I think, it helps next to any business to be discussed rather than remaining unknown. One bad bashing often provokes quite a number of contrary reactions. In the end it all balances out to something close to the 'truth' which is often seen as positive. Just think of the BN review section, or most of the Creed and Kouros threads.
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