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    Default The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Proctor & Gamble lists Jean Patou 1000 as having a "limited" range.
    I wrote to ask what that means. Here is the reply.
    Read it and weep.


    From: ""P&G North America" <[email protected]>" <[email protected]>
    Hi!

    Thanks for contacting Jean Patou.

    I'm sorry, but we discontinued this product and it's no longer available. Generally, decisions to start or stop making products are based on consumer demand, so feedback like yours is extremely valuable. Please be assured I'm sharing your disappointment with the rest of our team.

    In the future, you may want to check our brand websites (www.jeanpatou.com) for information about our current products. You may find a new favorite!

    Thanks again for writing.

    Dianne
    Fine Fragrance Team

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    Ironically, the letter ends with a request for "moms" to promote their "new" products.
    Last edited by purplebird7; 9th March 2009 at 12:13 PM.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Hi PB.

    There is a little something in the mail for you.

    I find this letter trite and...odd. The "fine fragrance team" doesn't seem too customer service friendly, actually. I mean, how about a suggestion for a new Patou favorite rather than just letting the customer dangle?

    Weird.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Somehow it is in the (stupid) minds of Big Corporations that we are all about coupons, promotions and freebies. And also the latest and the greatest. In their minds. That's why I am probably NOT a company's CEO.

    Weeping with you about the discontinuation of Mille.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    I just do not get P&G's attitude towards their Patou property.
    I really believe they could turn this into the second coming of Chanel if they would just make the effort.
    As of 2005 with the hiring of Duriez and the opening of the new Boutique in Paris it seemed like they were well on the way to doing that.
    Here we sit less than four years later and Duriez is shipped off to try and "save" Rochas and they discontinue another classic Patou.
    Somewhere in the minds of businesspeople this all makes sense but in the mind of this perfume lover this seems foolish beyond belief.
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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    I doubt P&G really cares about their Patou account
    I mean the sad thing is P&G makes their money off
    of mass marketed celeb scents that every single girl
    in juinor and senior high wears, Patou is more "spiecalty"
    fragrance Joy is no wear near as popular as it once was but it's still
    far more popular than 1000, I'm going to miss 1000

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    First of all, what a crumby website! It tells me nothing! And, What about the 1000 I saw for sale at Neimans? Is that being continued or what?
    http://www.neimanmarcus.com/store/ca...00417cat000433
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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    News like this is not only sad but quite anxiety provoking. Must we all rush out and scour the web for 1000? Will Joy join the scrapheap?

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    I believe that "discontinued" means that everything at Neiman Markus is the last of the stock shipped from Jean Patou. Get it while you can.

    And yes, it is sad that they are marketing "the latest and greatest" to "moms," who are notoriously short of money (having young children to raise) implying that their "new" products will be cheaply made, inexpensive spritzes.

    Oh, yes, with coupons and discounts. Goodie, goodie. Will someone please bring back S&H Green Stamps so I can get a free lamp after my tongue goes numb from licking 500 sheets of horse-hoof glue?

    Look at the lineup that Proctor & Gamble decided NOT to kill: Anna Sui, Hugo/Boss, Christina Aguilara, Escada, Georgio Beverly Hills, Lacoste, Mexx, and Puma. How many of those elicit images of perfume, let alone great perfume?

    My reply to her e-mail stating that 1000 was a poor seller was that Jean Patou's marketing is to blame. A person cannot find it within a 500 mile radius of where I live. It is always upstaged by Joy. And, by the way, the Neiman Marcus rep told me that women have been calling because the new Joy perfume that they bought "doesn't smell the same." So much for Proctor & Gamble's support for products that DO sell.

    Hopeless situation. I'm disgusted. I swore I would not get unhinged about product reformulations and discontinuations any more, but I just had to report this to the forum. Now I will quietly go lick my wounds and seek a substitute for the late, great Jean Patou Mille. Any suggestions?
    Last edited by purplebird7; 9th March 2009 at 11:37 PM.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    1000 is on my "to try" list. I never saw it in a store. Is there any chance to find it in stores other than Neiman Marcus? I don't think there is one where I live.

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    See what I mean? Nobody has access to a tester. Isn't that a pity?

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    Ah yes, the brilliant minds that discontinued Patou pour Homme.

    Another classic bites the dust...

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    This is so disconcerting. After reading all of the wonderful Jean Patou 1000 posts on last Saturday's SnS, I was all excited to give some a try...the scent sounded so great. While getting ready to leave work today, I logged onto BNs and found this thread. So, I went to Nordstroms after I left because I wanted to get a chance to smell the scent before it's no longer in stores. They had about 5 big bottles of 75 mL each (EDP). The tester was EDT. The SA didn't mention anything about the fate of the scent, but she was only baout 20 or so and seemed to only know about the "new" releases (I guess that's telling ). I must report that the EDT smelled lovely - albeit from a time gone by. At least that was my first impression from the small test I made. The beginning reminded me of Caleche, and then it seemed to go down another road. The sales woman made me a very generous sample vial, so I'll be testing it properly shortly.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Very sad.

    Oddly coincidental: Ruggles sent me some 1000 shower gel that I just used yesterday. Even in a hot soapy shower, the scent really comes thru strongly.

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    If the French want to nationalize something, make it the fragrance industry. Get the corporate lunatics out. Banking is one thing but, for France wine, fragrance, art and fashion are what France is all about. Viva la France!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    If the French want to nationalize something, make it the fragrance industry. Get the corporate lunatics out. Banking is one thing but, for France wine, fragrance, art and fashion are what France is all about. Viva la France!
    And don't forget the cheese! (maybe that's already nationalized, I don't know!!)

    Viva la France!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pomander View Post
    The tester was EDT.
    Yes, the testers are always EDT, and that is the worst concentration. After trying the EDT, I was on the fence about whether I liked it, but I bought the EDP unsniffed and fell in love. The osmanthus note comes out much more quickly and strongly. That's the skin-scented apricot that lasts and lasts through to the end, along with the animalic florals.

    *Sighs*

    I will miss this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    If the French want to nationalize something, make it the fragrance industry.
    God, yes. They should turn over the formulas of murdered perfumes to someone else who is willing to resurrect them.

    BTW, no one has suggested any replacements yet.
    Is there anything remotely similar?
    Last edited by purplebird7; 10th March 2009 at 03:20 PM.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Purplebird, I totally feel your pain, but my guess is that even if P & G continued to sell 1000, it would suck more and more every year.

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    (Sigh) My shopping cart at TPC grows more and more full...
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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    1000 was my favorite and the best from Patou.
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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Well, one scent that is similar is Floris Edwardian Bouquet. I don't think it's as sharp with osmanthus, but it has the complex floral chypre. I stress similar.

    I will try to think of some others.

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    I love "1000". I bought my bottle in a trip to Paris and this is the closest I could get near to the great perfumes of the past...

    Some things should survive. Perfume is not only a product, it is art. Very - very sad...

    I don't see any way we can fight this race for the new and cheap and easy to replace...

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    LOUSY NEWS!

    I'm hopping mad.
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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Quote Originally Posted by purplebird7 View Post
    Yes, the testers are always EDT, and that is the worst concentration. After trying the EDT, I was on the fence about whether I liked it, but I bought the EDP unsniffed and fell in love. The osmanthus note comes out much more quickly and strongly. That's the skin-scented apricot that lasts and lasts through to the end, along with the animalic florals.

    *Sighs*

    I will miss this one.
    Dang! Why must they be so stingy?? It's amazing and sad to realize that I've never once spoken with a SA who understood that the different versions of a scent are not necessarily just more, or less concentrated, but that one version can have different ratios of the same notes, as well as have different notes than the others.

    I'm testing the EDT tonight.

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    Default Re: The Death of Jean Patou 1000

    Quote Originally Posted by pomander View Post
    Dang! Why must they be so stingy?? It's amazing and sad to realize that I've never once spoken with a SA who understood that the different versions of a scent are not necessarily just more, or less concentrated, but that one version can have different ratios of the same notes, as well as have different notes than the others.

    I'm testing the EDT tonight.
    Pomander my love I will explain it to you. The companies do not hire people who know the product well, nor do they hire people who even love it. Most hire the equivalent of a Fast-Food type worker who will sell the latest and the greatest. This is why I do not work in the industry any longer. I could tell my clients about any of the scents I sold, company history, idea behind said fragrance, notes, concentrations, why the French call body lotion body milk, etc...and at the end of the day no one cared.
    The only company I felt appreciated by was Guerlain; I worked for them at Bloomies for 3 years. I was the go-to girl for any and all info, even by my account executive, having to do with things Guerlain. But sadly those days seem to have passed.
    Once in a great while a SA will have knowledge about what they sell, more often then not they are just there to sell; newness, popular items, sure-fire gift ideas, etc...
    This is what things have come to in the states, mediocrity is the norm and very few people know the difference. Even those who buy designer clothes; many are made in China, probably at the same factory as Walmart items, but they have the "Name".
    P&G does not have a clue about fragrance, how could they...they sell household products. That is the equivalent of McDonald's purchasing Bill Blass and trying to design springwear. We are witnessing the death-knell of grand parfumerie, the taking over by niche companies (who sometimes are too creative I will nicely say) the selling out of the great companies, and the overall acceptance of things our parents, grandparents and great grandparents would not have accepted.
    What happened to wanting the best, these days it seems to be wanting "Name-Brand" even if it is garbage. Marketing people know they can survive on brand loyalty alone, while continuing to cheapen product; Caron for instance.
    Well I have droned on enough, about a subject that hurts me to the heart. Fragrance has always been the greatest passion of my life. I feel as if a life-long lover is dying in front of my eyes, yet I am unable to do anything.
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    Brielle, you said it perfectly. I'm crying with you!

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    I guess we must take solace in enjoying what's still around from the past, as well as in the modern-day "Greats" that could someday be classics to generations yet to come. At least until the mass perception of how perfumes should smell changes again. It seems widely accepted that certain types of scents become popular in certain times. And likely for very understandable reasons. We are not so far beyond the birth of JP1000 (1972). It’s not so difficult to imagine that after an era of mossy, powdery, sharp, and deeply feminine floral fragrances, the collective olfactory organ would grow tired of certain notes , and rebel with fresh, fruity, effervescent scents (the exact opposite). Is the demise of 1000 and others like it due to marketers who truly had the power to lead the masses in another scent direction? Did the “empowered”, career-tracked daughters of women who wore the 60s and 70s scents create a market for different perfumes to express their generation’s mark in this world? Did the fruity scents become so popular because in the high-stress, do-it-all lifestyle we modern women "won", lighter, less challenging scents invigorate the tired, stressed-out soul? And what of young women and teens? Are sugary, syrupy –woodsy Brittany scents simply comfort scents for little girls who missed out on cookies made by a stay-at-home Mom? Are we the ones holding the gun?

    In the end, do you think that chypres are in general, an ilk that innately suits a smaller part of the masses? Perhaps only houses like Hermes and Estee Lauder want to, or can afford to keep fragrances in an esoteric scent-style (Caleche and Youth Dew) that don’t sell like “hotcakes’ from being retired.

    Still, I sigh, and am with you Brielle et al, in sadness at the loss of a fine peice of art.

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    this is all very sad...
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    I walked by the Paris Jean Patou boutique a few days ago and there were signs on the door announcing reduced hours.
    The boutique is absolutely beautiful; it's in the most exclusive area and quite large, by perfume store standards, and yet they had only 2 or 3 products for sale.
    The store wasn't empty of product, but the same ones were repeated everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brielle87 View Post
    What happened to wanting the best, these days it seems to be wanting "Name-Brand" even if it is garbage. Marketing people know they can survive on brand loyalty alone, while continuing to cheapen product;... I feel as if a life-long lover is dying in front of my eyes, yet I am unable to do anything.
    I feel the same way. And it makes me panic.
    Who can I trust to continue to deliver an uncompromisingly high-quality perfume?
    Who will continue to manufacture that product for decades?

    Quote Originally Posted by pomander View Post
    In the end, do you think that chypres are in general, an ilk that innately suits a smaller part of the masses?
    Your observations are astute. When society changed and women moved, en masse, out of their homes and into the workforce, their lives and their children's lives were profoundly changed. Perhaps this is the root cause of the shift in popular taste away from challenging scents to light-hearted fruity florals and home-baked-cookie comfort. Could it be that we have seen the enemy, and the enemy is us?

    Even while niche houses step up to create more marginally appealing, creative products, these fail to fill the gap produced by the loss of greatness in the big companies. The big companies, after all, care about selling large numbers of products, and in that way, they influence popular taste as well. Sometimes we change our tastes to reflect what is being offered. If a large enough company produces enough perfume which it promotes and sells to enough people, that perfume becomes popular--whether or not it is great. What I lament is that many companies no longer seem to care if the product is great, just as long as it sells profitably.

    At the time, Jean Patou 1000 was purportedly a "democratic" fragrance whose formula was agreed upon after so many modifications that it pleased everybody on the product team, it apparently no longer pleases enough people to convince marketing to save it.

    But what, now, will they give us to replace it?

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    How did P&G end up with Patou? Yes, very sad, it seems like this house will be gutted under P&G ownership. P&G is all about mass marketing, they will have no clue or interest how to handle something high end like Patou.
    All these moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.

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