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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    You know, they do have authority. They have a lot more inside information than most of us do. Turin is a chemist and has worked on developing aroma chemicals. Sanchez and Turin both have a wonderful gift for expressing clear and candid abstract ideas very succinctly, with lots of wit, to boot.
    I'm all for setting standards, but of course I don't agree with everything they say.

    I'll agree with you but only up to a very short point. Yes, they do it for a living and I'd expect them to know more about the nuts, bolts, and test tubes than I do. However, at the end of it all I'm the one wearing the scent and with the exception of only a handful of reviews find their impression and mine to be vastly dissimilar. However, I don't expect my impression of fragrance X shared on basenotes to overly impress a reader as to whether or not they should purchase or even bother trying it. That doesn't seem to be the case with the author's opinions and I just find that, well, amusing. Trust your nose, Luke.

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    Actually, it would be great (to me, at least) if they had tastes that were the opposite of mine, because then I would know to sample the one star frags !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    I ask you, who heard of Poopoo Pidou before this supplement?
    I had not hear of it, ever, but is sounds hilarious.

    Come on Ruggles, say it 5 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    Welcome Profumum and Penhaligons to the hallowed LT/TS hall of disregard; fellow members include Caron, Creed and Lorenzo Villoresi.
    and last, but not least Mona
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrd4t View Post
    How bout the (well deserved!) fabulous marks for Histoires des Parfums? It just made me want them more.
    Yes, Luckyscent (Scentbar) here I come!
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    Quote Originally Posted by arwen_elf View Post
    and last, but not least Mona
    We might as well add Bond no.9 to the list too ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    We might as well add Bond no.9 to the list too ..
    And Mark Buxton's work for Createur D'Emotions.
    "Cacharel pour l'Homme 27 years too late. LT"
    And that was one of the kind reviews.
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    Was L'Artisan's Fleur de Liane (my latest love) reviewed? If so, how many stars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajmc View Post
    Was L'Artisan's Fleur de Liane (my latest love) reviewed? If so, how many stars?
    One of my favorites of 2008, too. So far Turin/Sanchez remain mute on this beauty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajmc View Post
    Was L'Artisan's Fleur de Liane (my latest love) reviewed? If so, how many stars?
    In the accompanying excel spread sheet, see no. 259:

    ** , melon floral, TS
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    I love Aoud Cuir d'Arabie and of course was glad to see it getting it's props. It's the only FB Montale I own at the moment, and for the foreseeable future, and one thing you have to give it is that it's totally unapologetic. It definitely won't appeal to those with a penchant for aquatics and other modern '08 masculine releases, that's for sure. I don't find it 'weird' at all, and certainly nothing like the artistic statement of Secretions Magnifique, rather it's just bold and simple.. oud and leather.

    Funny that 1740 should get 5 stars because I've tried and tried to like it - and I like leather and I like HdP, but I hate immortelle and I can't around it no matter how hard I try. I have a sample of Unbar on the way. I disagree with the assessments of the Parfumerie Generales and am a little surprised after they got so many good reviews in the last update, but it's ok to disagree and I'm sure Turin would be the first to say so.

    As for comments abouve - everytime an update comes out this gets rehashed. People can questions "qualifications" all they like, but since there is no degree or certification in fragrance reviewing, expertise is developed by experience. The more you sniff, the more you understand, the more you know - and the better you write the better you can convey what you know. For these same reasons I think of Foetidus, scentemental, Vibert, mikeperez23, JaimeB,and a few others as 'experts' insofar as I trust their noses and that their reviews, thoughts, and comments are based on meaningful experience. I trust T/S's experience and more than anything, the reviews are for sparking ideas and most of all to encourage sampling fragrances I would have never considered sampling. What does it matter if a review differs from your own thoughts on a fragrance? It's like someone not rooting for the same sports team you like.... it doesn't matter. The degree to which the words in some reviews are parsed borders on silly... so what if Turin calls something a 'masterpiece' in one review then doesn't give it 5 stars somewhere else? So what if he smells something differently then you or I do? It happens all the time. Burr gave Reve en Cuir 5 stars, Turin gives it two.. do you think either is wrong? Of course not.

    As for the actual writing, the more I read and re-read through the original Guide and the updates the more clear it is to me that T/S had a target audience in mind when writing their reviews. The target audience already has a certain level of sophistication with fragrances and already has experience testing and wearing fragrances from different houses and genres. The target audience is looking for new ideas for fragrances they haven't tried yet. I notice T/S will gloss over certain fragrances - and this I assume is because they assume their target audience already has the sophistication and experience to know why they glossed over what they did. Therefore when something you'd think would get few comments gets a positive review and substantial ink, it really makes you stand up and take notice.

    If what you want is fragrance pyramids as published by the houses' marketing departments, there are many sites already out there for that (i.e. fragrancedirectory) - and I couldn't imagine anything more mindnumbingly more boring than a book of straight "these are the topnotes, these are the heartnotes, these are the basenotes" reviews. Not only are these 'pyramids' largely a work of fiction, but they don't tell you how the fragrance feels, or what it is like as a work of art. Not only do I think straight reviews would be boring, but I'd bet that much of their target audience - the collectors who would actually pay for the book and updates and are sophisticated in collecting - would not be interested in such a book. Maybe a 'Guide for beginners' would be more apt and contain such reviews, but then again it's a big risk to target a book at beginners who may not feel the need to buy such a book.

    For what the Guide and updates are, the writing is really spot on. Light, humorous, conveys information quickly, and effective. More analysis would be boring and defeat the purpose. Overall I find the Guides terrifically useful as reference material and will keep getting them quarterly as they come out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zztopp View Post
    In the accompanying excel spread sheet, see no. 259:

    ** , melon floral, TS
    I stand corrected, Fall 2008, The Guide's first update.

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    Well said, bbBD.

    The guide serves a purpose. I find it entertaining AND informative, it has saved me a ton of time and money, and made me laugh out loud more than a few times. What more can you ask from an $18 book?

    Success breeds iconoclasm, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    I stand corrected, Fall 2008, The Guide's first update.
    Thanks guys.

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    I think Luca Turin likes immortelle. He usually has positive reviews for perfumes that include that note with the exception of a Serge Lutens, mmmh, the name escapes me right now, could it be Chypre Rouge?
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    FWIW I view the newsletter to be light reading, magazine type content that is focused on my hobby. Cool and fun! I'm chuffed that L'Eau Neuve - Lubin got 4 stars; it's a kick-arse citrus chypre.

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    I'm glad about Aoud Cuir D'Arabie and 1740 getting five stars... they're two of my favorite leather fragrances.

    The rest of the reviews were very hit and miss when compared to my own tastes.

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    No more stars. From now on, fragrances will be rated:

    I WILL WEAR THIS

    or

    I WON'T WEAR THIS

    Emphasis on the "I".

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    Quote Originally Posted by andylama View Post
    Well said, bbBD.

    The guide serves a purpose. I find it entertaining AND informative, it has saved me a ton of time and money, and made me laugh out loud more than a few times. What more can you ask from an $18 book?
    Pop-ups and a "choose your own adventure" theme would have been nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by SirSlarty View Post
    No more stars. From now on, fragrances will be rated:

    I WILL WEAR THIS

    or

    I WON'T WEAR THIS

    Emphasis on the "I".
    Theres no "I" in Turin

    edit : I just realized there is an "I" in Turin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    I ask you, who heard of Poopoo Pidou before this supplement?
    LOL. Seriously, I read about it on Octavion's blog back in February.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    LOL. Seriously, I read about it on Octavion's blog back in February.
    Well, of course! I realize that I should have written, who but Mike Perez ever heard of Poop Pidou?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
    Pop-ups and a "choose your own adventure" theme would have been nice.
    LOL! I loved Choose Your Own Adventure books when I was a kid!

    You are at Luckyscent, and it appears to be deserted. Nobody up front, nobody in the back room, and nobody on the street outside.

    If you stuff your pockets full of random bottles and run, turn to page 77
    If you browse through the bottles, with the intention of stuffing your pockets with specific bottles, turn to page 81
    If you sit and start sampling fragrances just because you can...turn the page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
    Poopoo pidue sounds like MKK in another language
    Poopoo Pidue is from the song I Want to Be Loved By You, which Marilyn Monroe made famous:
    "I wanna be loved by you, just you,
    And nobody else but you,
    I wanna be loved by you, alone.
    Poopoo pidue!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by andylama View Post
    LOL! I loved Choose Your Own Adventure books when I was a kid!

    You are at Luckyscent, and it appears to be deserted. Nobody up front, nobody in the back room, and nobody on the street outside.

    If you stuff your pockets full of random bottles and run, turn to page 77
    If you browse through the bottles, with the intention of stuffing your pockets with specific bottles, turn to page 81
    If you sit and start sampling fragrances just because you can...turn the page.

    I love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    Poopoo Pidue is from the song I Want to Be Loved By You, which Marilyn Monroe made famous:
    "I wanna be loved by you, just you,
    And nobody else but you,
    I wanna be loved by you, alone.
    Poopoo pidue!"
    Wasn't that song featured in a Chanel #5 tv commercial some years ago?

    I guess they were trying to market the Marilyn Monroe myth (or true story) about wearing "only" Chanel #5 to bed
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    I have a recommendation for Tania Sanchez and Luca Turin, with much respect, of course. Please include the other name of the perfume in the Histories des Perfumes. I am getting confused with all those years, to the point that I have to look up other reviews to figure out which one is which.
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    Someone please add Poopoo Pidue to the thread about worst fragrance names. Yikes, that's a bad one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roc_Xel View Post
    Honnestly I love Montale but Oud Cuir d'A. is absolutely repulsive.

    Can't even smell it , and I would definitely not imagine anyone wear it...

    But I have to admit I admire it and respect it, just way too harsh and skanky and ... awful for me to wear it ever.
    When you get past the harsh off-putting top notes (oud and a fecal note), then you will discover the masterpiece that Turin was talking about.

    It's an absolutely wonderful soft leather fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    I ask you, who heard of Poopoo Pidou before this supplement?
    I assumed they were talking about Jicky

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