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    Quote Originally Posted by kess View Post
    I found it to be quite feminine -- mostly green floral (very very nice though). Need to revisit my sample.
    Sorry, he said, 'great a man as well.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    Sorry, he said, 'great a man as well.'
    Sorry, did not mean to offend, just stating my impression, i.e. don't expect monster sillage and knock-your-socks-off woods

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    I am a admirer of most things Patricia de Nicolaï, who is about as artisan as you can get in modern day perfumery.

    I think her eaux de Cologne fragrances deserve a wider following. They are beautifully put together with clearly top quality naturals playing a large part, and they are reasonably priced. Beautyhabit carries them PdN eaux de Cologne. They used to be available in large sizes up to 500ml at what was, given the quality, extraordinary value for money. I am not sure whether they are offered in such sizes anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kess View Post
    Sorry, did not mean to offend, just stating my impression, i.e. don't expect monster sillage and knock-your-socks-off woods
    It was entirely my fault, I left off the last part of his quote and caused confusion.

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    Yes, this house deserves more attention than it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    Yes, this house deserves more attention than it gets.
    All PdN needs is to join forces with Guerlains' marketing machine ..a collection-within-a-collection, and they can play on the guerlain genes angle..
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    Strollyourlobster, Ruggles, et al...Thanks a lot for the help locating PdN, I'm glad I was wrong! I'll check out Clyde's and New London.
    (Incidentally StrollYL, when you first mentioned over and down from the Met, I was thinking maybe Eisler Chemists on 79th and Lex, who carries Floris but not PdN)
    Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post

    I am a admirer of most things Patricia de Nicolaï, who is about as artisan as you can get in modern day perfumery.

    I think her eaux de Cologne fragrances deserve a wider following. They are beautifully put together with clearly top quality naturals playing a large part, and they are reasonably priced. Beautyhabit carries them PdN eaux de Cologne. They used to be available in large sizes up to 500ml at what was, given the quality, extraordinary value for money. I am not sure whether they are offered in such sizes anymore.

    scentemental
    According to the PdN website the Colognes are available in sizes up to 1L.

    http://www.pnicolai.com/ve/pages/cologne.htm
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    I do think that Odalisque may well seem too feminine to many men. To me it's just peaceful and pretty. Depends, I suppose, on your associations with flowers.
    I think Turin's review is spot-on, although I do find muguet in this brew which he apparently doesn't, and find it to be beautifully blended to soften and lift the jasmine. What he says about the salty oakmoss note is right, and really it was the moment that I noticed this note and simultaneously found the iris that I fell in love with this stuff. The comparison to the green iris in Iris Bleu Gris is apt, I think, although it's buzzing at very low volume below the soft jasmine/mugeut/salty-mossy accord. The character of the overall scent could hardly be different than Iris Bleu Gris--I'm just speaking of this one note. My sense is that if you love Sel de Vetiver, you might love this. I blowing through my bottle at a great rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surreality View Post
    According to the PdN website the Colognes are available in sizes up to 1L.

    http://www.pnicolai.com/ve/pages/cologne.htm
    Thanks for that. I noticed, though, that when one tries to order them one gets a "There are currently no products in this range" message. I tried ordering some of their other products, but the order pages are very very confusing. It's remarkable how poorly designed are poorly maintained some of these websites are. It's very clear Patricia de Nicolaï is a better perfumer than she is a business manager. PdN products are poorly marketed and poorly presented if you ask me. There needs to be some serious work done in this regard. I mean what's the problem? They have already have a great and true story: granddaughter and artisan perfumer of the legendary Jacques Guerlain. Surely they can do something with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post
    Thanks for that. I noticed, though, that when one tries to order them one gets a "There are currently no products in this range" message. I tried ordering some of their other products, but the order pages are very very confusing. It's remarkable how poorly designed are poorly maintained some of these websites are. It's very clear Patricia de Nicolaï is a better perfumer than she is a business manager. PdN products are poorly marketed and poorly presented if you ask me. There needs to be some serious work done in this regard. I mean what's the problem? They have already have a great and true story: granddaughter and artisan perfumer of the legendary Jacques Guerlain. Surely they can do something with that.

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    exactly! i mean, she knows how Guerlain operates more than anybody else...? maybe it has to do with pride? Maybe PDN wants to acheive all that without the fancy marketing etal...which is sad coz many outside this community may not be aware of her works. it's very clear that she is very anti marketing and is pro word of the mouth ads. maybe thts the way she wants to operate...at the same time, the box of Maharanih gives a short write up on how she is related to Guerlain et al.....all very confusing...i give up with my theories...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenson View Post
    exactly! i mean, she knows how Guerlain operates more than anybody else...? maybe it has to do with pride? Maybe PDN wants to acheive all that without the fancy marketing etal...which is sad coz many outside this community may not be aware of her works. it's very clear that she is very anti marketing and is pro word of the mouth ads. maybe thts the way she wants to operate...at the same time, the box of Maharanih gives a short write up on how she is related to Guerlain et al.....all very confusing...i give up with my theories...

    You know jenson, she could still market herself in an anti-big business manner and play up the artisanal nature of her products and production while doing so and still do it in a sophisticated and savvy way, but I don't see that happening.

    It's a real pity because if anyone one is truly niche, PdN is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narcus View Post
    Parfums de Patricia de Nicolaï are hard to get where I live. That accounts for some of it. I have New York from a Basenoter whose taste I respect very much. But he obviously was not as thrilled as I am in month three after that transaction. I only wonder why this gorgeous perfume should have an American Association? It's one of my 'Frenchiest', and while it reminds me a little of Héritage, it has an aura that is much older to me. I think of Palais Garnier and the former Gare d'Orsay in Paris and some middle aged Gentlemen painted by Caillebotte. While it's advisable with some perfumes not to smell them off the skin, this one is pure delight directly from the wrist - one of the few that truly deserves five stars!

    Do PDN have anything else in that class?
    Do i know this basnoter ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post
    You know jenson, she could still market herself in an anti-big business manner and play up the artisanal nature of her products and production while doing so and still do it in a sophisticated and savvy way, but I don't see that happening.

    It's a real pity because if anyone one is truly niche, PdN is.

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    Exactly. thats one of the prime reasons we are having this discussion......i mean, why isnt PDN marketing herself is truly beyond my understanding. like you rightly said, if anyone is truly niche, it's PDN...and it's not related to pricing or the packaging, it's her compositions and quality of ingredients that go into it which makes it, truly niche.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenson View Post
    Exactly. thats one of the prime reasons we are having this discussion......i mean, why isnt PDN marketing herself is truly beyond my understanding. like you rightly said, if anyone is truly niche, it's PDN...and it's not related to pricing or the packaging, it's her compositions and quality of ingredients that go into it which makes it, truly niche.
    The shops in Paris are a bit pokey, the packaging is a bit low budget, but I am thrilled that PdN puts all their money into the ingredients. Can you imagine if they took the Caron route, advertising at the expense of quality?
    PdN also has a big home fragrance business and produce their own version of the Lamp Bergere and its fragrance oils.
    I'd love to get one of these.
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    i am still looking for Mharajah .

    Ruggels, i really love maharajah sampel u have sent to me
    thank u !

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    I must admit I haven't sampled enough from this house, to make even a dent into smelling the whole line.

    I personally did not like New York at all, and found both Maharadjah and Maharanih good for a few minutes, but nose grating and ill-fitting over the course of a full wearing. I was so ready to fall in love with these last two, since they are so cinnamon prominent, but I just couldn't get into them.

    In a swap, Robin from NowSmellThis sent me a sample of Eau Exotique, which I liked a lot. But it was too small of a sample to really judge whether the scent was FBW or not. It definitely piqued my interest (mango, lime and cassis over a musky cedar drydown).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruggles View Post
    The shops in Paris are a bit pokey, the packaging is a bit low budget, but I am thrilled that PdN puts all their money into the ingredients. . . .
    Absolutely, ingredients first, always, but clearly PdN needs to invest in some simple, elegant packaging that is distinctive enough to match their worthy niche credentials. Surely, that could be done without breaking the bank.

    scentemental

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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post
    Absolutely, ingredients first, always, but clearly PdN needs to invest in some simple, elegant packaging that is distinctive enough to match their worthy niche credentials. Surely, that could be done without breaking the bank.

    scentemental

    There's something a bit too science-project about their logo and labeling, but I like the women's bottle with the gold globe and ameythist glass in the cap:
    But the men's however, is too generic:
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    if one goes thru the web content of her official web-page, it's pretty evident that she is very anti-marketing and hype surrounding niche. seems she is on a mission and has long terms goals in mind.

    i really liked the content on her web-page, it simply echoes what we are talkin about here....a good read for any enthusiast... here it is - http://www.pnicolai.com/ve/pages/historique.htm

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    Definitely science project, definitely generic.

    I don't like the women's bottle, which, incidentally functioned as the men's bottle before the generic men's bottles where introduced. That should tell you something right there. I find such bottles straining for elegance, which they don't achieve, much like the MPG bottles with their absurdly bulbous, gem-studded tops, and look where that company is now.

    I would like to see a high tech, minimalist style of bottling and packing that would provide a decided contrast with the artisanal quality of the fragrances and their production. It would give the whole thing a modern, paradoxical edge.

    scentemental
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentemental View Post
    Definitely science project, definitely generic.

    I don't like the women's bottle, which, incidentally functioned as the men's bottle before the generic men's bottles where introduced. That should tell you something right there. I find such bottles straining for elegance, which they don't achieve, much like the MPG bottles with their absurdly bulbous, gem-studded tops, and look where that company is now.

    I would like to see a high tech, minimalist style of bottling and packing that would provide a decided contrast with the artisanal quality of the fragrances and their production. It would give the whole thing a modern, paradoxical edge.

    scentemental
    Very true. I've always found the bottles pretty ugly, for the reasons already mentioned. However, the 30ml bottles are passable (but only just). And as for those tacky labels...
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