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    So, when people talk about 'white florals', which florals are included? I assume jasmine, gardenia, orange blossom and tuberose. What about lily of the valley? Any others?

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    I would include Osmanthus.

    I have a big bag of dried Taiwanese osmanthus I add to oolong tea... wonderful stuff.

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    Yes kess, those flowers you listed are what most of us mean, when we speak about white florals.

    I think I personally use the term to describe indolic florals - not necessarily a flower that is white in color.

    I would think lemon tree blossoms might also be added to this category, does anyone disagree?
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    Default Re: Question about "white florals"

    I would include lily also.

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    thanks for the comments.

    i'll go with mikeperez' explanation on 'indolic' flowers -- I seem to associate "white flowers" with heady scents.
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    Iris?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr. reasonable View Post
    Iris?
    I don't think so.

    Iris has such a different quality to it than those others mentioned above.
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    Aren't Iris scents are usually based on the scent of the dried and aged rhisome and not the flower? .
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    I was looking in wikipedia for the term "indole" and I found some interesting information:

    "Indole is an aromatic heterocyclic organic compound (...) Indole is a solid at room temperature. Indole can be produced by bacteria as a degradation product of the amino acid tryptophan. It occurs naturally in human feces and has an intense fecal odor. At very low concentrations, however, it has a flowery smell, and is a constituent of many flower scents (such as orange blossoms) and perfumes. It also occurs in coal tar.

    (...) Natural jasmine oil, used in the perfume industry, contains around 2.5% of indole. Since 1 kilogram of the natural oil requires processing several million jasmine blossoms and costs around $10,000, indole (among other things) is used in the manufacture of synthetic jasmine oil (which costs around $10/kg)."

    Yes, orange blossoms, gardenias, and tuberose are also indolic flowers and depending on the concentration, can lend voluptuous and sultry notes to a perfume.

    But what about champaca flower, neroli, magnolia, ylang ylang or lotus?

    I found some answers here too:
    http://www.thegoodscentscompany.com/data/rw1006511.html
    See on the right the column "Natural occurrence in" :
    bergamot oil @ 0.000-0.009%
    dried bonito
    butter
    champaca absolute @ 2.90%
    champaca concrete @ 4.00%
    roasted coffee
    couroupita guianensis aubl. flower oil brazil @ 0.20%
    egg
    fish
    jasmin
    jasmin absolute concrete egypt @ 3.84%
    jasmin absolute concrete india @ 1.07-1.85%
    jasmin absolute concrete italy @ 1.39%
    jasmin oil italy @ 4.21%
    jonquil
    lecythis usitata miers. var. paraensis (ducke) r. kunth. flower oil brazil @ 0.40%
    malt
    mikan peel oil @ trace%
    narcissus absolute @ 1.51%
    narcissus absolute @ 6.30%
    neroli
    neroli oil CO2 extract @ 0.45%
    olive oil
    orangeflower absolute morocco @ 2.6-9.9%
    orangeflower water absolute @ 0.0-3.2%
    petitgrain combava oil @ trace%
    robinia pseudacacia
    rum
    tea
    thyme oil wild or creeping france @ 0.09%
    burley tobacco
    wallflower
    wine
    ylang ylang oil CO2 extract @ 0.13%
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    Default Re: Question about "white florals"

    Thanks Mike & Surreallity - Iris an interesting one for me . . . still getting my head around it. Reason I asked is because I have Bois d'Hiris (TDC) and these is a quality there that I also get from Carnal Flower . . . maybe it's the raw non-perfumey 'dampness' or something, but fascinating - I'm new to florals altogether, frankly.

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    Great list senZuality! Narcissus hadn't occurred to me, but I think I get that. Unfortunately, they are long finished blooming for the year here, but I hope to remember to check them for an indolic quality when they come back up at the end of next winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surreality View Post
    Aren't Iris scents are usually based on the scent of the dried and aged rhisome and not the flower? .
    Iris scent is from the rhizome, and it could be from the old method of expression or a more recent method of infusion (thus explaining the glut of new iris perfumes in 2008).

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    The scent from the rhizome (orris root) is really very different from the scent of iris flowers though, isn't it?

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