As noted by Kagey above, Victoria's highly informative article, Musk in Fragrance : Salt and Butter of Perfumery, can be found here: http://boisdejasmin.com/2011/10/musk...perfumery.html
I agree with Jack's and Brian's descriptions.
Its not even disrespectful, its a little crude humor...does it really upset people?
I know for a fact if I said so in real life, you'd probably laugh and not even think twice of it instead of shunning me...if anything that's more disrespectful.
I really can't grasp the reality of this being so out of line....
Last edited by yteek; 28th June 2012 at 10:34 PM.
Everyone's touchy about poop since the MKK thread. Don't worry about it.
I think musk deer is also farmed on a small scale in China.
Last edited by MonkeyBars; 8th July 2012 at 04:47 AM.
Respected Scent worshipers,
I have been for many years collecting deer musk from various sellers from around the world, but as of yet iam not fully satisfied with the quality and the genuinality of the product, as there is alot on the market named "Deer Musk" but its just a scent, NOT the real thing.
So could you tell me if you have any or contacts who seel the real PURE DEER MUSK?
Please reply to
i learnt from perfumers that in 1 perfume there can be several types of musks....becasue most people are anosmic to some, so there is something for everyone so to say , but those who can smell all of them are in trouble
muscs are huge heavy molecules and they can be harsh to your nose if sensitive, i have noticed i am no fan of modern musks because with almost no exception, what smells like cream, body product, or detergent i associate with musks in it. Also before i used to think musk is some white cloud, and almost neutral note-so a bit boring! (ref.Juliette has a gun Romantina),
but now i have a feeling perfumes are stuffed with it to achieve some opulence and density, so to say to fill the void,and are extremely longlasting
Belovedw Amoage- is heavy on musk, it smells clean, modern, in combination with other synthetic animalics very sharp
Memoire w Amouage - this is nice white musk, very feminine and sensual, warm,slightly fruity, but again smells modern, similar is in Jubilation 25
Musk intense- Parfums de Nicolai- this one is very interesting one, of course it smells synthetic as the most beautiful detrgent one has tried, or some mix of detergent and cream, its sooo amazingly longlasting! , after 2 days one gets that animalic warm skin note! i suppose thats close to what real musk smelled once
Rubj - Veroprofumo-musky base gives itself off as soemthing familiar(a bit boring), clean and neutral, cloudy
Dia Amouage- white musk, clean,detergentlike, very longlasting
vintage Shalimar, has beautiful musky base....like some complex, dirty cloudy warmth, undefined powdery
other vintages :My sin, Tabu, Bal a Versailles, they all have complex bases, with musk that adds warmth to it, and complexity, and never smells clean, powdery
Last edited by iivanita; 13th March 2013 at 12:29 PM.
Which one of these would be in Bal á Versailles edt? The drydown of the vintage edp smells nothing like the current reformulation drydowm. the edt starts off sharp and then drys down to what I consider a very powdery musk. The vintage edp, on the other hand, is raunchy, sexy and exotic. So rich and lovely. ive never smelled anything like it before. Seems like they replaced the musk/civet that was so prevalent in the original with one that was more powdery.
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Real musk is an extraordinary thing. In concentrated form it is almost quite unpleasantly, nose curlingly, fecal/musty but extremely diluted it is across between the addictive part of chocolate with the smell of a mucky kittens warm underbelly and a dirty warm musty skin sort of compelling attraction. It is completely impossible not to want to nuzzle, as if you don't want to let it go away. It is certainly a very sexy smell but not a clean smell.
Misk though in my experience was quite a clean thing. More floral with the musty. Mine was from a dubious source though.
There seem to be two main pathways for a musk note. The real animalid zone of mucky musty and the white musk which veers towards the clean musty.
Real Tonquin deer musk, the fine perfume quality version, is a heavenly smell. I could wear it neat at 10%. It is the best smell ever. It's not horrible or unpleasant. It's extremely sexy, and while it is dirty and fecal, it's not really all that nasty or unclean. I would compare it to good ambergris. The best ambergris (which I'm also lucky to have experienced) can be worn neat as well.
Lower quality deer musk is increasingly unpleasant, and increasingly less useful.
The best deer musk absolutely can be used to get a clean note. Easy.
The whole thing is sad for everyone, including the deer, of course.
I don't know how possible it even is any more to get the elite stuff. I got very, very lucky just to have the experience I do have with it, which is a lot. I currently have none of the good stuff, and don't know where best to get it. I have an empty bottle, and that will have to do.
Great thread. I'm a musk lover and am composing a fragrance which I think would benefit from a musk. The problem is the sheer amount of them and the descriptions which leave much to be desired. I'm going to buy a few including galaxolide and habanolide and experiment. This thread was very helpful. I'm off to read that article which was posted "Musk in Fragrance: The Salt and Butter of Perfumery" Thanks!