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    Question Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I'll be completely honest; at times I'm tempted to give a 'neutral rating' when a scent's perceived quality doesn't quite justify its stratospheric price. But I ask myself if I'm reviewing the scent for its quality and attractiveness or its 'value for money'? That's when I stop short and give a thumbs up. I feel reviews should focus on the quality of scent rather than the price 'cuz it's really up to consumers if they are willing to spend that money for a pricey scent that smells fantastic.

    What's your take on this issue? :brolly:
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondflame View Post
    ...I feel reviews should focus on the quality of scent rather than the price 'cuz it's really up to consumers if they are willing to spend that money for a pricey scent that smells fantastic.

    What's your take on this issue? :brolly:
    I totally agree with DiamondFlame. Incorporating one's value-for-money perception into a review tends to becloud the primary objective of the review of the scent. With all the threads on price, cost of ingredients, value, etc, we should by now realise that pricing is quite subjective. The choice to purchase or not is up to the buyer. That choice is better helped with a good, focused review of the scent in question.
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    It's a thing of logic to me. At the time of evaluation, if you can justify the money then you buy it.
    If the price is over a logical limit, then you don't buy it. Reviews should be scent driven.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I think if cost leads one to a neutral rating, that should be stated in the review. I know I have considered cost in my ratings. However, never cost in isolation.

    I could give a long winded explanation; not sure if anyone wants to hear it.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    In summary, it's a scent review, not a consumer review.

    To take this further, would you grant a scent a thumbs up just because it smells decent enough but is available for cheap? That's why I'm beginnning to approach the bargains with a little more caution... 'Try before you buy' is still the watchword.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I agree with scentsitivity. I think cost does factor in, but you should clearly state this in any review if it affects your rating.

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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Hmm... I can understand why 'value' perceptions could be useful to consumers in general. Perhaps an alternative could be to break the ratings into components, much like a movie review. For example:

    Quality of scent:
    Wearability factor:
    Sillage:
    Longevity:
    Sex Appeal (lol):
    Value for Money:
    OVERALL:

    Just my 2 cents. The rest are free.
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    I disagree. Most reviews, even professional reviews, of other consumer products are always written with price in mind. Cars, audio and video equipment, cameras, computers, phones, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, you name it, are all talked about in relation to their cost.

    I admit that fragrances are not the same as those things, which are essentially tools primarily judged on their performance. Perfumes are more akin to clothing and jewelry, judged more by their appearance and their suitabilty for an individual than by specs or performance.

    I do agree that cost shouldn't be the primary concern of a review, but it should be a factor. An expensive perfume should smell expensive, be well made, be long lasting, etc. I expect more of an expensive perfume. If it doesn't cut it, I'll downgrade it. For me, the item must justify its price. Yes, price is subjective based on our various incomes, but not in terms of relation to other perfumes. That should be the frame of reference. How does it perform compared with other perfumes of varying cost? I know this is difficult, that fragrances are different from one another, and it's hard to compare. But cost is an important factor for every consumer and I don't think it should be ignored.

    The decision whether to buy it is subjective. Some may consider an item worth the price, others not, but I think that a discussion of price deserves a place in a fragrance review.

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    First of all, anyone can review as they see fit. Personally I find cost a relevant and potentially interesting factor, whether niche or not, for reasons already stated by noggs. Perfume is a product, after all, and if perfume x is virtually identical to perfume y but happens to cost 300% more that's significant, as is the fact of a low-budget perfume being exceptionally good. And yes, it makes sense to point to what extent price has shaped your judgement.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    I disagree. Most reviews, even professional reviews, of other consumer products are always written with price in mind. Cars, audio and video equipment, cameras, computers, phones, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, you name it, are all talked about in relation to their cost.

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    Here's the consumer review vs perfume critic debate. A consumer review must always consider the price factor but not necessary so for perfume critic, though you can always draw comparisons to more affordable alternatives from quality perspective. I think as long as we explain ourselves, as scensitivity pointed out, both options are still open.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    I do agree that cost shouldn't be the primary concern of a review, but it should be a factor. An expensive perfume should smell expensive, be well made, be long lasting, etc. I expect more of an expensive perfume.

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    Yes, price is subjective based on our various incomes, but not in terms of relation to other perfumes. That should be the frame of reference.
    Agree 100%. Sorry, but quality vs. price certainly is (and should be) a factor in reviews. If I bought a Lexus and it had the same quality interior materials as a Kia, I would not be happy. The fact that I cannot afford a Lexus doesn't matter. It should still be better than the Kia for me to give it a "good" review. Similarly, I do not expect the Kia to have the quality of the Lexus for a "good" review.

    Yes, "quality of materials" in scents is more subjective than with cars, but really, most of us can tell if an expensive scent is cheaply made and uncreative. Such a scent might eek out a thumbs up if it can be had for $30, but it would ridiculous to judge a $200 scent by the same criteria.
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    In my case, the value-for-money factor is, in this case, minimal at best. Besides, although the cost factor may be important and although it remains up to everyone's liberty how to asses a frag, when it comes to most people's favorite or most hated scents, perceptions are already that strong, that radically polarized and so convincingly expressed, that one tends to hate/love a frag long before and/or long after the price even becomes an issue.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I do think price is relavent when reviewing scents... Especially if the scent in question can be compared to another scent of equal quality that is a fraction of the price... I don't think price should be the be all, end all, just part of the equation of the overall review...

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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Quote Originally Posted by KMF View Post
    I do think price is relavent when reviewing scents... Especially if the scent in question can be compared to another scent of equal quality that is a fraction of the price... I don't think price should be the be all, end all, just part of the equation of the overall review...

    I agree.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I have enjoyed this thread and I come down on the side that cost should be something that COULD be factored into a review, but not a must or can not be reviewed factor. I wish we could give a rating in a number scale, one to ten, and have catagories, like smell alone; or cost vs. perceived benefit: originality, and of course, projection/silage and longevity. That would make the review a bit better than knowing that 48 of those that reviewed Cuba gave it a thumbs up. We could see if that means that 96% mean it is a 9.2 rating of 10 on smell or does that mean something else?

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    I think higher prices create higher expectations. When you're paying a premium price, you certainly are primed for a premium fragrance. Take Amouage, for example, their prices are all relatively high by industry standards. And yet, up until their uniform repackaging, they had a few lower priced fragrances in their line-up, around $150 for 50ml, compared to their usual $250 for 50ml: Arcus and Silver Cologne come to mind. They dropped Arcus and turned Silver into an EdT or EdP (same juice, IMO), and put it in the new, uniform bottle. Amouage Silver is now in-line, price wise, with Gold, Jubilation, Dia, Lyric, etc. But you can still find the old packaging of the fragrance for $155.
    With this in mind, I think Silver smells like a very high quality niche offering, but it certainly isn't as unique as the other Amouage fragrances previously mentioned. I paid $155 for mine, and my feelings are that it fully smells that price. However, at $250, I certainly wouldn't feel as strongly about it and in a review would write, nice, but does it really smell like it has the Amouage DNA?
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    Initially I was going to say no , but thinking about it I guess it should do really .

    I dont know if many people here are like me , if I really love something I will buy it - budget allowing of course , even if I know thats its stupidly expensive for what it is .

    With smelly , I will take seriously into consideration longevity . I certainly wouldnt spend , say $300 on something that only lasts an hour or two on the skin as that represents poor value for money IMO

    Nathan Branchs' review today for example on Yosh 'Trompeur' , he states that you have to genenously apply it even tho its $300 for an 8ml bottle . This should of course factor into a review IMO

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    I think that price is part of the purchase decision process, therefore the scent should be reviewed on its own and then it should be stated whether it is good value for money. This may have nothing to do with a thumbs up or down but value for money judements should also me mentioned.

    e.g. Green Irish Tweed is a good scent, it should be given a thumbs up but you can also mention that cool water is almost the same and can be had for much less and there isnt much difference difference it siliage and longevity.

    That way you tell the viewer that yes GIT smells good but there are other better value for money alternatives around, instead of giving GIT a thumbs down because it costs more that Cool Water.

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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    I believe price becomes relevant only in acquiring a scent, and shound't effect your view of the scent one way or the other. Over the years, I have bought quite a few scents because they seemed to be such a great value compared to their actual going price at that time. Most of them, I couldn't warm up to that much even if the company gave them away for free.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Some other forums I've been to sometimes have a review category "value for money" or some such.

    But this isn't BASENOTES: CONSUMER REPORTS.

    For me, our reviews/comments in here are mostly about the scent. Anyone is free to include whether they think the cost justifies their purchasing a frag. Or to just disregard the cost and talk about the frag.
    But I am amused when people boldly declare that something isn't worth the price. There are a lot of Creed haters for their prices and I see they've been in business since the 1760s....

    If I really love a scent, I'll decide if it's worth it. I think we all pretty much do the same.

    At the same time, we should all feel free to grouse and grumble about the costs of the juice...
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    NO It either smell good or it don't ....... BUT It sure better last long if it cost a lot.

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    Yet, since I am not snobbish, at least not a snob in terms of "what costs more is undoubtedly better",
    I must admit that I might give rave reviews to niche scents which might also be extremely cheap (Utopian, I know); irrespective of passions, attachments, repulsions etc. existing long before and long after the cost factor.

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    It's the same thing when someone reviews a fragrance that is not really bad, but is predictable (most designer releases nowadays). Sometimes a fragrance, extrictly by itself, wouldnt deserve a neutral or negative review, but comparing to other scents (and comparing prices too), it happens to get a neutral or negative review.

    Yes, I think considering prices is appropriate when reviewing a fragrance, as well as considering it's originality.

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    Price is secondary when doing a review of any scent. Once the review is completed, it's revealing to future readers to state whether the frag was great bang for the buck....or.....if you believe the juice isn't worth the asking price.

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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Price would only not matter if the expected reader doesn't care about losing money. I don't know anyone like that, myself, so it's always a factor for me.

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    I don't go in with the same expectations of a $20 as I do with a $200 one, except that they smell good and I like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    Agree 100%. Sorry, but quality vs. price certainly is (and should be) a factor in reviews. If I bought a Lexus and it had the same quality interior materials as a Kia, I would not be happy. The fact that I cannot afford a Lexus doesn't matter. It should still be better than the Kia for me to give it a "good" review. Similarly, I do not expect the Kia to have the quality of the Lexus for a "good" review.

    Yes, "quality of materials" in scents is more subjective than with cars, but really, most of us can tell if an expensive scent is cheaply made and uncreative. Such a scent might eek out a thumbs up if it can be had for $30, but it would ridiculous to judge a $200 scent by the same criteria.

    I completetly agree..kind of like the same way a 600 HP Ferrari can get a thumbs down while a Kia sould can get a thumbs up based on its price point.

    because really, at the end of the day, it all boils down to purchasing, while scents are pieces of arts all in themselves, it is still a piece of Object to be bought, and prices should really come into play with ratings.
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    Quote Originally Posted by noggs View Post
    I disagree. Most reviews, even professional reviews, of other consumer products are always written with price in mind. Cars, audio and video equipment, cameras, computers, phones, vacuum cleaners, refrigerators, you name it, are all talked about in relation to their cost.


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    Noggs, I have to respectfully disagree with this sentiment. You cannot generalize the issue and compare frags to those other industries, especially not when we're considering the niche frag market. For niche (not others at this point), you're most likely going to be playing the a price ballpark that's already "up there", at this point IMO price becomes irrelavent. At these prices, it's assumed that the overall price is NOT the number one priority to the person reading the reviews.

    Now, that being said, I don't think it hurts to compare similarly priced goods. If you're reviewing, say Amouage Homage, it doesn't hurt to say something to the tune of "For Homage's price, you aren't getting the same concentration, longevity or quality that you would get in similarly priced attars." (Note, I've never tried Homage, or any other attar for that matter, it was just the best example I could think of off the top of my head.)
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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    A fragrance has several facets to it and a review should address each of those facets.
    Price is certainly one of the components that a fragrance should be evaluated upon.

    After judging a fragrance's structure & longevity, a reviewer can comment upon the whole fragrance based upon it's price. IMO the fragrance can make or break purely on the basis it's pricing. If an expensive fragrance is not unique or doesn't last long enough, it may be adjudged as a poor choice, what would have otherwise been a good choice if it were not for its higher price.

    Therefore price is definitely one of the variables when reviewing a fragrance.

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    Default Re: Should price even matter when reviewing niche scents?

    But price is SUBJECTIVE! That's the point! Putting in YOU'RE opinion on if it's "worth" the asking price or not, is pointless, since we don't all have the same opinion on pricing. So what if reviewer X thinks Fragrance Y is too much, Reader A.B,C disagree, so adding it to the review adds nothing of merit.
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