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    Default Reformulated Fragrance List

    A follow up to the IFRA restrictions thread ,I started this so everyone who has noticed a change in ingredients in their perfume can make a note here. We need everything from your Chanels, Opium, Carons, Guerlains, Patricia de Nicolai...anything and everything you have noticed recently ( not reformulations from ...say ,the 1950s . ) . We can then compile a list of perfumes suspected of reformulation in accordance to the new IFRA guidelines, even if it has not been offically announced as such .
    If you could make a note of which ingredients have changed too and the change in the scent compared to the older version of the perfume.


    I cannot say for sure,right now.... what will become of this list but we will, at the very least, have a permanent record of the reformulated perfumes.
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    Mitsouko - less moss, less spice, no farnesol

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    Will do, Mysticknot, and thanks!

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    -No. 5 parfum (change on ingredient list, although I can't really smell much difference)

    Assumptions - jasmine & ylang reduced, as well as oakmoss, hydroxycitronellal, etc.
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    Feminite du Bois- thinner, less cedar, perhaps to reduce the thujones??

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilybelle View Post
    Will do, Mysticknot, and thanks!
    Thanks Lilybelle !

    Opium - new extrait bottle to be released... means new juice ,most likely .....
    Will keep an eye out for the ingredients changes .


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    Quote Originally Posted by tott View Post
    Mitsouko - less moss, less spice, no farnesol
    This is the kind of information we need. Voicing suspicions of reformulations is helpful but we need as much confirmation as we can to convince people that we aren't crying wolf.

    In this thread http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=239233 Sofresh types out the ingredient/allergen list on the back of two Chanel No. 5 bottles and that allowed us to (with room for doubt, of course) confirm that the parfum version has been reformulated.

    So if you have something you love and want to know if its been reformulated, post the ingredients/allergen list from the back of the box along with any reference number and information about when/where you bought it. By comparing notes we have a better chance of finding a reformulation. Having a rich patron pay for gas chromatograph analysis would be perfect but I don't think we have any volunteers just yet

    Here are mine (my collection is very limited, I just started 6 months ago and most of it is from the Perfumed Court without the allergen list):

    Bandit: reference #77011, sample vial sent from the distributors New York office, recieved in July, and the ingredients are:
    -Alcohol Denat, Water (Aqua), Fragrance (Parfum), Alpha Isomethyl, Amyl Cinnamal, Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Citral, Citronellol, Eugenol, Evernia Furfuracea (Tree Moss) Extract, Farnesol, Geraniol,
    Hexyl Cinnamal, Hydrocitronellal, Hydroxyisohexyl, 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Isoeugenol, Limonene, Linalool, BHT, Butyl Methoydibenzoylmethane, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate

    Azzaro Pour Homme: ref. # 980802, bought from TJ Maxx in May,
    -alcohol, Parfum/fragrance, limonene, Linalool, hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Hexyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Geraniol, Benzyl Alcohol, Coumarin, Citral, Evernia Prunastri (Oakmoss) Extract, Eugenol, Alpha Isomethyl Ionine, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Cinnamal, Benzyl Salicylate, Benzyl Benzoate, Hydroxycitronellal, Evernia Furfuracea (Tree Moss) Extract, Farnesol, Anise Alcohol

    The Bandit is miles away from the other sample I have, almost unrecognizable. I believe the Azzaro is pre-IFRA standard formula but I did see a bottle with new packaging recently, hinting at a reformulation.

    If anyone has any info to compare, please list it its a pain to do but stopping people from spending money on marred classics is a great service to everyone.
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    My old sample of La Haie Fleurie and my new sample are very different. (Stock up on jasmine as though your life depends on it!) The "bigger bottle" seems to be an indication. First, the fragrance is on "backorder", and then suddenly, there are no more smaller bottles. This was the case with Odalisque by Parfums de Nicolai, too. I am so sorry that I do not have the box with the new ingredients for you to compare. I am so disappointed with the new. It is flat and quite unremarkable and a very expensive mistake. Also, another indication is what I call "the big dump" to stores like Costco and TJ Maxx. Today I purchased a Badgley Mischka set at TJ Maxx for under $40...1/2 ou pure parfum, 1.7 ou eau de parfum and a large lotion. I remember that set going for almost $300 at Saks not long ago. It contains the dreaded oakmoss(evernia prunastri) and coumarin, so even though it is made in the US, I suspect that it will be reformulated or discontinued. So stock up, kiddies, if it isn't too late to find your favorites! I purchased Joy (in every concentration) for the first time. Habanita & Baghari contain oakmoss & coumarin. I love them along with the classics Mitsouko, Chanel No 5, Shalimar & Diorella. I am angry that Dior has changed Diorella, but at least they changed the bottle & packaging, too, so that you know you are in for a change. Please, folks, let's keep this thread going!

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    This is such a nice, precise thread. I suppose my disgruntled "New Tabac Blond Sucks!" isn't really helpful so much as a Captain Obvious non sequitur, LOL.

    Does jasmine tend to degrade in vintage formulations? I have a sample of current No 5 EdT and a full bottle of vintage EdT, and I swear the modern sample is WAY more floral.....is this the sign of a reformulation or is it just that my vintage bottle has lost some of the oomph from its topnotes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zizanioides View Post
    This is the kind of information we need. Voicing suspicions of reformulations is helpful but we need as much confirmation as we can to convince people that we aren't crying wolf.

    In this thread http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=239233 Sofresh types out the ingredient/allergen list on the back of two Chanel No. 5 bottles and that allowed us to (with room for doubt, of course) confirm that the parfum version has been reformulated.

    So if you have something you love and want to know if its been reformulated, post the ingredients/allergen list from the back of the box along with any reference number and information about when/where you bought it. By comparing notes we have a better chance of finding a reformulation. Having a rich patron pay for gas chromatograph analysis would be perfect but I don't think we have any volunteers just yet

    Here are mine (my collection is very limited, I just started 6 months ago and most of it is from the Perfumed Court without the allergen list):

    Bandit: reference #77011, sample vial sent from the distributors New York office, recieved in July, and the ingredients are:
    -Alcohol Denat, Water (Aqua), Fragrance (Parfum), Alpha Isomethyl, Amyl Cinnamal, Benzyl Alcohol, Benzyl Benzoate, Benzyl Salicylate, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Citral, Citronellol, Eugenol, Evernia Furfuracea (Tree Moss) Extract, Farnesol, Geraniol,
    Hexyl Cinnamal, Hydrocitronellal, Hydroxyisohexyl, 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Isoeugenol, Limonene, Linalool, BHT, Butyl Methoydibenzoylmethane, Ethylhexyl Methoxycinnamate, Ethylhexyl Salicylate

    Azzaro Pour Homme: ref. # 980802, bought from TJ Maxx in May,
    -alcohol, Parfum/fragrance, limonene, Linalool, hydroxyisohexyl 3-Cyclohexene Carboxaldehyde, Hexyl Cinnamal, Citronellol, Geraniol, Benzyl Alcohol, Coumarin, Citral, Evernia Prunastri (Oakmoss) Extract, Eugenol, Alpha Isomethyl Ionine, Butylphenyl Methylpropional, Cinnamal, Benzyl Salicylate, Benzyl Benzoate, Hydroxycitronellal, Evernia Furfuracea (Tree Moss) Extract, Farnesol, Anise Alcohol

    The Bandit is miles away from the other sample I have, almost unrecognizable. I believe the Azzaro is pre-IFRA standard formula but I did see a bottle with new packaging recently, hinting at a reformulation.

    If anyone has any info to compare, please list it its a pain to do but stopping people from spending money on marred classics is a great service to everyone.
    I looked at my old Mitsouko boxes, but they only list Alcohol, Water & Perfume on the ingredient list. :S

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    Quote Originally Posted by YouCanCallMeMo View Post
    This is such a nice, precise thread. I suppose my disgruntled "New Tabac Blond Sucks!" isn't really helpful so much as a Captain Obvious non sequitur, LOL.

    Does jasmine tend to degrade in vintage formulations? I have a sample of current No 5 EdT and a full bottle of vintage EdT, and I swear the modern sample is WAY more floral.....is this the sign of a reformulation or is it just that my vintage bottle has lost some of the oomph from its topnotes?
    Chanel No 5 never was floral in the way that Joy is floral. I could never quite sort out the jasmine and rose notes; they were just little pieces of the beautiful puzzle. I don't know if it is the aldehydes that have evaporated in your edt. I, too, have vintage edt which smells much more like the pure parfum than my "fresh" edt does. I hope that helps. PS You are correct. "New Tabac Blond Sucks".

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    I don't really get many florals from No. 5 EDT either...I'm sure they're there, but not in the same way as some scents. It's more of a big abstract thing than something I could pick apart into separate notes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sofresh View Post
    I looked at my old Mitsouko boxes, but they only list Alcohol, Water & Perfume on the ingredient list. :S
    I was reading some material online about reformulations etc - before frgarance companies were forced to list ingredients- all that was stated was alcohol ,water and perfume .

    www.cropwatch.org is a good read re. reformulations and IFRA .
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    We can add all of the Caron scents to this list. They have been heading down this road for a little while now.
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    I am trying to keep a complete record of all the perfumes you are listing ,on my PC . Thanks guys - could you also add the perfume house that makes the scent too , if the scent is more obscure.
    ( I am also keeping notes in general ....... )
    Thanks ... Mysticknot is a little thick at times !
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    Default Re: Reformulated Fragrance List

    I will not personally verify this, as I'd require further side-by-side testing/comparison-

    Some people have mentioned Domenico Caraceni 1913 as having been reformulated, at the same time as the bottle change, about a year ago.

    I'm not entirely sure. I just wanted to get it on the list.
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    Windsor, Bois de Santal, Original Santal, Elixir, Douro, Endymion, Reflection, Arcus, Marwah

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    No one quote me on this, because I could be wrong...but...

    Chanel Pour Monsieur smells slightly different to me now. I tried a brand new tester that a store just took out of the box and the drydown lacks the spicy-moss of the bottle I have at home (from maybe 3 or 4 years ago). The topnotes also seem fruitier somehow.

    I also noticed that the ingredient list on the back of the box is a sticker over the previous ingredient list. That could mean anything, and I could just be having a bad sniffer day.

    ps - I'm going to re-try my bottle tonight and see if I'm just dreaming...will edit this post if I am.
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    Would the Parfums D'Orsay relaunches in the 1990s (pardon the pun) count?
    "No sweet perfume ever tortured me more than this." Desert Rose by Sting and Cheb Mami, Album 1999.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Would the Parfums D'Orsay relaunches in the 1990s (pardon the pun) count?
    For our current purposes I think we are trying to focus on reformulations in the past 2 or even 3 years. The 43rd Amendment was issued in 2008 but it looks like some companies got an early start on reformulations since the impending guidelines weren't a secret, just not implemented.

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    A slew of Dior's have appeared in new packaging, of which
    Dolce Vita
    Hypnotic Poison (more almond, less vanilla/playdoh)
    Pure Poison (more neroli, less soap)
    have definitely been reformulated. New ingredients listings on the packaging too.

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    the most recent incarnation of Guerlain Heritage no longer contains oakmoss. Scentwise it's slightly less warm than the 3rd incarnation. How many times do they have to reformulate a single frag?
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    I have a brand new box of L'Heure Bleue EdP that I can transcribe, but none of the older versions. This is the gold box with a textured vertical stripe, not the previous box with the black box around the text....
    This is the one I have, except I have the Eau de Parfum and this box is for the EdT:



    Ingredients: Alcohol, Parfum (Fragrance), Aqua (Water), Linalool, limonene, coumarin, benzyl benzoate, evernia furfuracea (Treemoss) Extract, Benzyl Cinnamate, Cintronellol, Eugenol, Bht, Geraniol, Hydroxycitronellal, isoeugenol, benzyl alcohol, citral, cinnnamal, cinnamyl Alcohol, Benzyl Salicylate
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    Quote Originally Posted by YouCanCallMeMo View Post
    Ingredients: Alcohol, Parfum (Fragrance), Aqua (Water), Linalool, limonene, coumarin, benzyl benzoate, evernia furfuracea (Treemoss) Extract, Benzyl Cinnamate, Cintronellol, Eugenol, Bht, Geraniol, Hydroxycitronellal, isoeugenol, benzyl alcohol, citral, cinnnamal, cinnamyl Alcohol, Benzyl Salicylate
    I have a L'Heure Bleue EdP from 2004 (?) with the following ingredients: Alcohol, Parfum, Aqua, Linalool, Limonene, Coumarin, Benzyl Bensoate, Alpha-isomethyl ionone, Benzyl cinnamate, Citronellol, Eugenol, Geraniol, Isoeugenol, Hydroxycitronellal, Citral, Cinnamal, Benzyl alcohol, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Farnesol, Benzyl salicylate.

    This means that we have the following discrepancies in the list of ingredients:
    Present in old, missing in new: Alpha-isomethyl ionone, Farnesol
    Present in new, missing in old: evernia furfuracea (Treemoss) Extract, Bht

    Funny thing about the moss? Maybe it wasn't required to declare earlier, or it was introduced to replace the missing farnesol? I'm just speculating, but it seems like farnesol has a flowery/fresh and green smell, acts as a fixative and is considered extremely dangerous…

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    ^ treemoss and oakmoss are different ingredients

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    Yes, of course they are. I was still surprised to see moss as a new ingredient, since treemoss also seems to be considered risky.

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    Default Re: Reformulated Fragrance List

    This list is as follows ( * stand for fragrances reformulated but not necessarily because of the IFRA guidelines 2010 )



    Antaeus Chanel
    Azzaro Pour Homme
    A La Nuit Serge Lutens

    Bandit Robert Piguet
    Baghari RP
    Bergamote The Different Company
    Burberry Original

    Coco Chanel
    Cristalle Chanel
    Colonia AdP
    Chergui Serge Lutens

    Diorella Dior
    Dolce Vita Dior *

    Feminite du Bois Shiseido /SL
    First Van Cleef and Arpels

    Habanita Molinard
    Hypnotic Poison Dior *

    Joy Jean Patou
    Juste un Reve Patricia de Nicolai

    L'Heure Bleu Guerlain

    La Chasse Aux Papillons L'Artisan Parfumeur * ? due to IFRA regulations ?
    La Haie Fleurie L'Artisan Parfumeur

    Miel de Bois Serge Lutens
    Miss Dior Dior
    Mitsouko Guerlain

    No.1 Patricia de Nicolai
    No.5 Chanel
    No.19 Chanel

    Odalisque Patricia de Nicolai

    Opium Yves St Laurent ( To be confirmed )

    Paloma Picasso EDP
    Pour Monsieur Chanel
    Pure Poison Dior *

    Samsara Guerlain
    Shalimar Guerlain

    Tabac Blond Caron


    Un Bois Sepia Serge Lutens
    Un Lys Serge Lutens ( still contains farnesol )

    ** Could you tell me how Tabac Blond has changed and any other Carons ? Mo? Brielle ?

    Thanks everyone ...keep them coming..... Let me know if I missed one out !
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    La Haie Fleurie is by L'Artisan Parfumeur.

    I strongly suspect that La Chasse Aux Papillions, also by L'Artisan Parfumeur has also been reformulated, and wondered whether anyone had any information or insight on it.

    (the reason I think so is because I have an old bottle, from c. 2001, and can smell it quite distinctly... bought a new bottle last February, and I cannot smell it -- feels as if my nose has been anesthetized ).

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    Many thanks TallulahRose!
    I have amended the list.......
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    Un Lys by Serge Lutens?
    Smells very different from earlier bottles. I even sent one back to them, but they replied there was nothing wrong with it. (I did get to choose another scent - very nice!) I vaguely remember reading in an interview with Serge Lutens that every perfume house is obliged by French law to reformulate every four years?!?!?!?
    Of course I no longer have the old boxes so I cannot compare the ingredients, but 'old' Lys smells lighter, sweeter, more flowery, and the new one has an opressive, slightly oily, musty, industrial ring to it. Even my husband smelled the difference! By the way, the new one still has farnesol in it. Does that make it a health hazard?

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    Quote Originally Posted by minerva View Post
    Un Lys by Serge Lutens?
    Smells very different from earlier bottles. I even sent one back to them, but they replied there was nothing wrong with it. (I did get to choose another scent - very nice!) I vaguely remember reading in an interview with Serge Lutens that every perfume house is obliged by French law to reformulate every four years?!?!?!?
    Of course I no longer have the old boxes so I cannot compare the ingredients, but 'old' Lys smells lighter, sweeter, more flowery, and the new one has an opressive, slightly oily, musty, industrial ring to it. Even my husband smelled the difference! By the way, the new one still has farnesol in it. Does that make it a health hazard?
    Hmmm, interesting. I will add it to the list.

    Also re.
    Jicky - I looked at my new packaging EDP - there's coumarin, eugenol , farnesol listed as part of the ingredients but I would like to know if this is already the new formulation according to IFRA regulations or if anyone thinks Jicky will be reformulated again ?
    I definitely think the new EDP packaged juice is lighter and not as long lasting ...... anyone have the same experience ? I wonder if it is just me and my skin ? 3 sprays is not enough , more like 5 - 8 sprays for me .
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    Hi - I am so glad I found this board. I just had a very bad experience with Chanel No 5 perfume. Just last week I bought a new bottle, and was very disappointed when I put it on. Although it smells similar to my old bottle, the floral notes in the new bottle are very subdued - almost non-existent. Do you think I should return it? I'm thinking if no one complains they will go on selling this debased thing and calling it No 5. I wish there was a way we could bring a class action suit against perfume companies for messing with the formulas. To me, selling a changed formula under an old name w/o telling you it's different is fraud. There should be something consumers can do.

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    I realized I didnt give you the info you asked for -

    Chanel No 5 - good bottle [prominent floral notes] - lot no.0901 - ingred: alcohol, parfum[fragrance], linalool, benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, benzyl cinnamate, benzyl salicylate, cinnamyl alcohol, citral, citronellol, coumarin, eugenol, farnesol, geraniol, hydroxycitronellal, isoeugenol, linonene, alpha-isomethyleionone, evernia prunastri [oakmoss] extract.

    The bad bottle - very little/no floral notes - lot no. - ingred: alcohol, parfum[fragrance], linalool, coumarin, hydroxycitronellal, geraniol, alpha isomethylionone, cironellol, benzyl benzoate, cinnamyl alcohol, eugenol, benzyl salicylate, limonene, farnesol, benzyl alcohol, evernia prunastri [oakmoss] extract, citral, benzyl cinnamate, isoeugenol, cinnamal.

    The drydown on both is the same, and looking at the ingred they seem almost the same but in different order - yet I swear they smell different. Now I'm wondering if it's me?

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    ^^ it's not just you...see this thread:

    http://community.basenotes.net/showthread.php?t=239233

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    PDN's Juste un Reve. New box, new juice - big disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meezermom1 View Post
    PDN's Juste un Reve. New box, new juice - big disappointment.
    Thanks I edited and added this. What is different ,Meezermom ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meezermom1 View Post
    PDN's Juste un Reve. New box, new juice - big disappointment.
    I have a feeling the whole Nicolai line (with the subject ingredients) got a work-over. Sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minerva View Post
    Un Lys by Serge Lutens?
    By the way, the new one still has farnesol in it. Does that make it a health hazard?
    Farnesol is still allowed under Amendment 43, I can't tell you if its a health hazard.

    I remember seeing something about Lutens admitting to reformulations in his product line, but that doesn't really narrow it down much for us.

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    I hope I am adding to this section in expressing the frustration I have experienced in my search for my long lost Must De Cartier. Exactly how many times has this scent been reformulated? I don't know how to go about asking for the one I want! I purchased this fragrance twice in the 90's, both times I bought the EDT-so the difference I've experienced isn't that which sometimes happens between the EDT and parfum. I used to shop at a Perfume Warehouse that often offered new un-boxed testers so I cannot use a box description.-With my limited knowledge of professional fragrance description terms, I'm left to rely on describing the bottles. Both bottles are "Must De Cartier" paris, EDT. The first bottle was amber w/red top and gold band. The second bottle was COMPLETELY different, in looks and smell. It has the ribbed, frosted glass going down the sides w/plain gold top. I believe this one did actually come in a black/gold/silver box. It was this bottle that I loved. When I went back to replace it they had changed the fragrance AGAIN. The fragrance I am seeking is the more oriental/vanilla one. Once I experienced this version I thought of the first bottle (w/red top) as more like an "old floral" type smell.
    Online sellers list their "rare, discontinued" versions with the same fragrance descriptions but show a variety of different bottles.
    I wish I knew what to refer to in my attempts to locate this particular fragrance. Any help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tott View Post
    I have a L'Heure Bleue EdP from 2004 (?) with the following ingredients: Alcohol, Parfum, Aqua, Linalool, Limonene, Coumarin, Benzyl Bensoate, Alpha-isomethyl ionone, Benzyl cinnamate, Citronellol, Eugenol, Geraniol, Isoeugenol, Hydroxycitronellal, Citral, Cinnamal, Benzyl alcohol, Cinnamyl Alcohol, Farnesol, Benzyl salicylate.

    This means that we have the following discrepancies in the list of ingredients:
    Present in old, missing in new: Alpha-isomethyl ionone, Farnesol
    Present in new, missing in old: evernia furfuracea (Treemoss) Extract, Bht

    Funny thing about the moss? Maybe it wasn't required to declare earlier, or it was introduced to replace the missing farnesol? I'm just speculating, but it seems like farnesol has a flowery/fresh and green smell, acts as a fixative and is considered extremely dangerous…
    Awesome work, thanks! That would definitely be a reformulation as companies are still required to declare Ionone and Fanesol in their products and have always been required to declare Tree moss.

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    Re: PDN's Juste un Reve - Answering Mysticknot's question. I purchased it about two years ago and loved it, but so did my mom. I gave it to her. Recently, I purchased a new one, and it no longer has that tropical note.
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    I was speaking with someone who has a much better nose than I do, and he also mentioned that Chanel Pour Monsieur has changed. I consider this confirmation, but I don't have a direct ingredient list as proof, so buyer beware I guess!

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    I have some decent news about the new Diorella with the oval white label. After an initial blast of lemon (not bergamot, a note that I love), "Auntie Di" is still in there. She may not be quite herself, but she IS in there. I feel the same way about Shalimar & Mitsouko. While they are not the 5 star beauties that they once were, at least they are recognizable. I hope that there are no more tamperings with them. I have old Mitsouko & Shalimar pure parfum that I cherish and use for comparison. PS The new Joy pure parfum is lemon, lemon, lemon! It appears that in the future we will all smell like lemon & leather. (Forgive me, I am still lamenting Odalisque. I sprayed some Myrrhe Ardente over it last night and revived it a bit, but it still lacked the floral top & middle notes.)

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    Chergui - reformulated one is watered down, with less powder/iris facets and more coumarin/hay.
    Sales thread here

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage*red View Post
    I have some decent news about the new Diorella with the oval white label. After an initial blast of lemon (not bergamot, a note that I love), "Auntie Di" is still in there. She may not be quite herself, but she IS in there. I feel the same way about Shalimar & Mitsouko. While they are not the 5 star beauties that they once were, at least they are recognizable. I hope that there are no more tamperings with them. I have old Mitsouko & Shalimar pure parfum that I cherish and use for comparison. PS The new Joy pure parfum is lemon, lemon, lemon! It appears that in the future we will all smell like lemon & leather. (Forgive me, I am still lamenting Odalisque. I sprayed some Myrrhe Ardente over it last night and revived it a bit, but it still lacked the floral top & middle notes.)
    Vintage Red -please more info on Joy parfum reformulated... I am thinking of getting Joy extrait - and really would like to know more about this new lemony extrait- sounds bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post
    Chergui - reformulated one is watered down, with less powder/iris facets and more coumarin/hay.
    I noticed this too...seem spicier and less sweet.

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    I apologize if all these are common knowledge, and I have not read the appropriate threads, but these upset me (they literally smell like nothing now. ) and I haven not heard of an admission yet:
    Antaeus
    Cristalle
    Coco
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    First by Van Cleef and Arpels

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillaire View Post
    I apologize if all these are common knowledge, and I have not read the appropriate threads, but these upset me (they literally smell like nothing now. ) and I haven not heard of an admission yet:
    Antaeus
    Cristalle
    Coco
    No 19
    First by Van Cleef and Arpels
    Thanks and I have added them to the list above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticknot View Post
    Vintage Red -please more info on Joy parfum reformulated... I am thinking of getting Joy extrait - and really would like to know more about this new lemony extrait- sounds bad.
    I am hoping that I bought "fake" Joy on Ebay. (I never thought that I would say THAT!) I got my hands on a bottle that is older (not vintage) that is very different. The lemony bottle has a strange carrier oil that just sits on the skin. The other bottle is more abstract perfume, more like the Joy I remember from years ago. Neither bottle listed specific ingredients. Leave it to P&G to give themselves "wiggle room". If you love Jasmine, try to get the older JOY edp. I am finding that there have been so many changes so many times to all of the greats that it is almost impossible to keep score.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillaire View Post
    I apologize if all these are common knowledge, and I have not read the appropriate threads, but these upset me (they literally smell like nothing now. ) and I haven not heard of an admission yet:
    Antaeus
    Cristalle
    Coco
    No 19
    First by Van Cleef and Arpels
    I am sad about Cristalle. It took me so long to be able to wear her. She was a lean, mean bitch, but now she seems old & exhausted. Has anyone tried the Au Vert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage*red View Post
    I am hoping that I bought "fake" Joy on Ebay. (I never thought that I would say THAT!) I got my hands on a bottle that is older (not vintage) that is very different. The lemony bottle has a strange carrier oil that just sits on the skin. The other bottle is more abstract perfume, more like the Joy I remember from years ago. Neither bottle listed specific ingredients. Leave it to P&G to give themselves "wiggle room". If you love Jasmine, try to get the older JOY edp. I am finding that there have been so many changes so many times to all of the greats that it is almost impossible to keep score.
    Thanks forthe Joy info vintage*red....I totally understand how you feel . I really will try to get the older EDP. *sigh* All these changes ...so sad.

    ( Can you imagine a great perfume house like Jean Patou .....sold to a toothpaste /personal product making company like P & G ?! Horror of horrors - all mystique and ideas of luxury 'gone'... I am sure Jean Patou turned in his grave when it was sold by his sister in the early 2000s and I am sure YSL is doing multiple turns in his ,over the new ,horrid Opium bottle and the inevitable reformulation to follow ! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by vintage*red View Post
    I am sad about Cristalle. It took me so long to be able to wear her. She was a lean, mean bitch, but now she seems old & exhausted. Has anyone tried the Au Vert?
    You know what, vintage red? Cristalle's new face made me scream in the night! A true loss! Until I found Eau de Campagne...another lean mean bitch, though maybe a more of a bitch in drag... So great, and so similar. Please try it!!

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    Adding Burberry Original; it's now water. and clear! No more peachy, ambery depth. So sad...

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    Thanks Hillaire - much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillaire View Post
    I apologize if all these are common knowledge, and I have not read the appropriate threads, but these upset me (they literally smell like nothing now. ) and I haven not heard of an admission yet:
    Antaeus
    Cristalle
    Coco
    No 19
    First by Van Cleef and Arpels
    I felt the same with Antaeus. It is so light now! I mean, even lighter than platinum egoiste omg!.

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    Would Chanel Pour Monsieur need to go on the list as oak moss is listed in the ingrediants

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Would Chanel Pour Monsieur need to go on the list as oak moss is listed in the ingrediants
    Oakmoss isn't completely prohibited, it's only restricted, so it could still have changed (which is my opinion) while still having it listed on the box.

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    ehm, I'm late to this thread and all, but wouldn't it be shorter to list all the scents that haven't been reformulated or watered-down?

    ...assuming such things exist...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pour_Monsieur View Post
    Would Chanel Pour Monsieur need to go on the list as oak moss is listed in the ingrediants
    Pour Monsieur is on the list.

    tfaust... I thnk you have a good idea re. listing non reformulated scents but honestly , I think it would take too long . Besides, having a ready list of fragrances suspected of being reformulated or that we know are reformulated is like our evidence - if you know what I mean .
    If we are ever asked ( or if I am ever asked ) " so what do you think has been altered and which fragrances are you talking about ?" - tada ! There's the list .

    There is one list on this thread ( further on up from this post ) and I update it when some kind soul finds a reformulated perfume to add to it.
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    Miss Dior. New style packaging and oakmoss is missing from the ingredients. Treemoss is listed. Compared to a 2005 bottle which contains both oakmoss and treemoss (and smells the same as my '94 bottle). Have yet to try the new formulation as I am sure it will be disappointing and am buying up anything in old packaging.
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    According to my mom Paloma Picasso (edp) smells different to her; it is lighter and does not have the staying power it used to have. I remember seeing oakmoss listed on the box, so it is still in there, but probably not as much as before.

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