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    Default November 3 x 3: White Nights

    You are cordially invited to our 3 x 3 party.

    The theme: White Nights

    The sniffers: Taolady, SMM, and kumquat

    The host: Yours truly (if anyone would like to serve as a back-up host, please PM me)

    The fragrances: one niche, one department store, and one drugstore/mass market

    The date and time: Sniffing will start the morning of Tuesday, 11/17. However, your host may not be making an appearance that morning until the afternoon (she's on California time and a night owl, to boot), although she might post late the night before to get things started.

    Be there or be square!
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Oh good.

    Right off the bat: any connection with Fyodor Dostoyevsky?

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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post
    Oh good.

    Right off the bat: any connection with Fyodor Dostoyevsky?
    Shoot, you guessed it--it's his celebrity fragrance.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    *snickers snugly*

    LOL!

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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Oh boy. MY association was Aldous Huxley - in whose works, at age 15, I was first exposed to the expression "Nuits Blanches"....THRILLING to an adolescent who thought it was all about S-E-X!! (But then - I thought EVERYTHING was about S-E-X.)

    I am being such a good girl...envelope still sealed!
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Quote Originally Posted by Taolady View Post
    Oh boy. MY association was Aldous Huxley - in whose works, at age 15, I was first exposed to the expression "Nuits Blanches". . . . I am being such a good girl...envelope still sealed!
    Hmmm, what would Aldous Huxley's fragrance smell like?

    And good for you. I know that when I was a sniffer, I had a terrible time trying not to open Mike Perez's package ahead of time. I managed, but there was definitely a devil on one shoulder to balance the angel on my other shoulder.
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    Hmm, does Bing Crosby have a fragrance at all?
    You'll notice I have rather more low-brow associations. I wonder what that says about me.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Immediate association: the film White Nights with great dance performances of Mikhail Baryshnikov and Gregory Hines.

    Mikhail Baryshnikov has fragrances in the Directory
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Well, at least something to wake Miss R up and make her post, right? Love you, R!


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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    I was thinking along the same lines as the Divine Miss R.
    I am also feeling inspired to perhaps weave another 3X3 into the world of Detective Metro Man and Basenotes City. Since Black Cat was one of the dramtis personae of the last installment there is some continuity in play.
    Hmmmm stay tuned my imagination is warming up let me see if I can come up with something.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Be her backup, SMM?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Twolf View Post
    Be her backup, SMM?

    Or maybe her White Knight?


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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    White Nights-Prologue

    I had survived Halloween and all that it brings to Candy Town. MJ and GM had only caused moderate amounts of mayhem and it was confined to the sweet side of Basenotes City. Capt. Osborne told me I needed a change of pace and told me to report to the lab and meet up with Black Cat. We had been introduced earlier in the year when I was placed on temporary duty in Lt. Perez’s squad. I had come to respect the prowess that Black Cat, along with sunnyfunny and debbbora, had shown in identifying fragrances. I was looking forward to seeing Black Cat again and exchanging some words on perfume.
    When I got to the lab there were two women I didn’t recognize sitting behind a table each with a little package wrapped in black tissue paper in front of them. Black Cat looked up when I walked in the door.
    “Nice to see you again Detective Metro Man”, she said.
    “Likewise, Capt. Osborne said you needed my help”
    She broke out that 100-watt smile and said, “Not exactly. I’m training some new cadets and based on Lt. Perez’s suggestion we all thought you could benefit from this exercise, as well.”
    Training just what any flat foot wants to be wasting his time doing. Just as I was about to make my eyeballs roll all the way to the back of my head, Black Cat interjected.
    “This should be something you’ll like. We’re going to have you three work together and see if you can identify some mystery fragrances. You did see how valuable using your nose can be in police work, didn’t you Detective?”
    I looked at the floor and mumbled, “Yeah I guess but there are more important…”
    Black Cat cut me off, “This will make you a better officer and a better detective, take the empty seat over there.”
    She pointed to the third seat next to the two ladies which also had an identical package in front of it.
    Black Cat introduced my collaborators as Taolady and kumquat. I nodded and smiled hello.
    Black Cat began and said, “On my mark you will each take out the labeled atomizers in front of you and one at a time we will go through them and you three will try to identify the fragrance in the vials. I will be here to help you along if you need it but I would really like to see you three work together to identify the fragrance.
    To make it a little bit easier I can tell you that one is a designer fragrance, one is a niche fragrance and one is a mass market fragrance. If you would please remove the vial labeled “A” from your package we will be ready to begin upon my mark”

    TO BE CONTINUED
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Thank you for the reporting, Detective.

    I do have to note that the trainees, as well as Detective SMM, have a ton of sniffing experience between them, albeit not on my squad. So it was not easy finding some samples that might pose a challenge. (We'll see if I succeed.)

    Detective SMM, kumquat, and Taolady, please begin sniffing tomorrow (Tuesday) morning. I'm working the late shift tonight, so I will not be checking in until about 11 a.m. P.S.T., but please do start without me.

    Please share the following impressions:
    - color of juice
    - fragrance family
    - notes detected
    - niche, department store, or drugstore/mass market
    - any other observations

    Good sniffing. And let's be careful out there.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Case File: Sample A
    color of juice: pale yellow
    fragrance family: floral
    notes detected: strong soliflore, like a cleaned up jasmine or tuberose, the single floral note is all I detect 30 minutes in.
    I think the linearity and lack of complexity makes me believe this is a drugstore/mass market fragrance
    Last edited by Somerville Metro Man; 17th November 2009 at 11:05 AM.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Probie Tao reporting in. (With many thanx to Black Cat for hosting - and who not only wrapped the samples in black tissue and twisted the ends of the wrap so the presentation looked like the head of a black cat - BUT included a couple little freebies.Pr-o-o-o-o-w!)

    As the Detective said - the juice is pale yellow with very slight viscosity.

    I spritzed it right onto my wrist (I only ever talk about what happens on my skin - not sufficiently objective to do the blotter thing. Sorry.)

    First blast was jasmine, which segued into tuberose over VERY lightweight vanilla.

    Stays close to the skin with very little sillage. It's been forty minutes and the fume has settled down nicely but is getting a little oily.

    Not a lot of alcohol so I would guess an EDT.

    Smells familiar - but that may be because I own a LOTTA white florals.

    No guesses yet.


    2 hours later: Almost vanished. Will reapply after shower and communicate.
    Last edited by TaoLady; 17th November 2009 at 02:04 PM. Reason: Obvious
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Further observations on Sample A. After 5 hours it was almost entirely gone reinforcing my belief that it is a mass market brand or perhaps an all-natural as I've had longevity issues with some of those too.
    As the flowers got more faint I also picked up some of the vanilla that Taolady spoke of.
    This is really all about one very sweet floral note.
    I made a guess but it really is more of a shot in the dark.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Very floral topnote, could be gardenia?
    Juice is pale yellow.
    In keeping with the theme , it couldn't be Datura Noir, could it?

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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Good morning, team!

    Nice sniffing so far. SMM PM'd me two good guesses--BBW Wild Honeysuckle and CSP Vanille Jasmine--but it's neither of those. It does have jasmine listed as a note, as well as the tuberose noted. Interesting, vanilla is not a listed note, but I agree that it's there, although it shows up lightly on me.

    Fragrance A shares a few notes, as well as a "vibe," in common with Datura Noir. But it isn't DN.

    Here are a few more questions:

    How is its development? Complex or linear?

    Do you notice any gentle fruit note at all? How about any other flowers underlying the jasmine and tuberose?
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    And kumquat, I missed your mention of gardenia. It does have gardenia as well.

    You all have captured all the white flower notes in the fragrance.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    If vanilla is not in the official list of notes, can it be coconut + musk that A dries down to?

    Any light woods?

    Kumquat, any heliotrope (powderiness) at all? Lilacs? Linden blossom? Iris? Violet? Roses?

    Bath and Body Works Gardenia? EL PC TG?

    Gentle fruit can be pear, peach, light citrus?

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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    I think there could be coconut & maybe banana. I don't know about the musk. Some citrus, too.
    Last edited by kumquat; 17th November 2009 at 07:39 PM.

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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    I got a little coconut upon reflection which makes me think of one possibility.
    Let me see if I'm right.
    Off to the directory I go to see if my feeble memory is right.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    I didn't pick up any fruit at all - nor woods - flowers straight through and toward the end I got a hint of what might be gardenia, which can come close to tuberose for me. I had the same thought as SMM - that it might be a natural.

    On the SotD thread nukapai suggested Jardins de Bagatelles - no way nearly as complex or rich. Hasn't the depth or impact of the Lauder and I've never experienced the BandBW.

    After it had gone away I sprayed on one of my fave white flowers - Madeleine de Madeleine - which has the same vibe but is much more robust and heady.

    Not ready to guess. (code for "haven't a clue"!)
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    One of Twolf's fruit guesses is right. It's very light and complementary, but it's there, especially in the top notes.

    There is no coconut or banana note listed, but to me there is a hint of coconut in the sense that the frag has a slightly beachy and creamy aspect to it (thus the similar vibe to Datura Noir).

    SMM PM'd me with Yosh White Flowers and kumquat with L'Eau Nirique. Good guesses, but no.

    Hints:
    - This is not a niche fragrance.
    - At least one fragrance reviewer has picked up a purple flower in the drydown, although that note is not listed.
    - Does the opening of this fragrance remind you of a classic white floral and if so, which one?
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    A few more PM'd guesses:

    Ineespenes joined in the fun and guessed Dark Crystal. I haven't sniffed that for awhile, but I believe that is a darker and spicer fragrance than Fragrance A.

    SMM guessed Pecksniff's White Floral and Anthousa Tuberose. I've never smelled PWF, although it sounds lovely--orange blossom, ylang ylang, tuberose, gardenia, and jasmine. Frag A only has jasmine, gardenia, and tuberose listed as white flowers, and none of the top notes or base notes of PWF either.

    I have sniffed Anthousa Tuberose, and that does smell reminiscent of Fragrance A because they both focus on tuberose. However, the Anthousa also has notes listed (including orange flower, neroli petals, white lily, ylang ylang, magnolia, and honeysuckle) which Fragrance A does not.

    Hint: this fragrance was issued before 2000. In fact, before 1990.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Taolady and I have had the same experience this one has stayed floral all the way through, on me. I am having trouble picking anything else up other than a light vanilla very late in the development.
    Pre-1990 off to the directory again.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville Metro Man View Post
    Taolady and I have had the same experience this one has stayed floral all the way through, on me. I am having trouble picking anything else up other than a light vanilla very late in the development.
    Pre-1990 off to the directory again.
    Yep, not much in the way of top notes. Or base notes.

    SMM has guessed White Shoulders. Getting closer. . . .

    Fragrance A would usually be available in the same store where White Shoulders is available. (SMM, you were warm when you first guessed the type of fragrance it is, but I didn't want to end the search too quickly!)

    Also, one of the listed notes in White Shoulders is the floral note that I mentioned earlier (a note mentioned in a prominent review, although it is not a listed note).

    So far, you've guessed the official notes of tuberose, gardenia, jasmine, and one of the mild fruits mentioned earlier by Twolf. There is only one other official note left.
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Is it in the Basenotes directory?
    Based on the clues and my searching I can't find anything that matches anymore.
    The only one left that comes close is Carolina herrera but Taolady owns that and I'm sure she'd have recognized it.
    I can't find anything with jasmine, tuberose, and gardenia from pre-1990
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    Default Re: November 3 x 3: White Nights

    Can't be Carolina Herrera, it is a very potent scent with honey woody drydown. Just can't be.

    How about other drug store staples, like Jontue for example (as per BC's "same store where White Shoulders is available")?

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