I like this frag quite a bit, though I have to be in a certain "mood" to wear it.
Thread: Miel de Bois Lovers
How many of you are Miel de Bois lovers?
Is it just me?
Anyone already tested the bell jar Miel de Bois!
Is it very diferent from the original?
I think it was reformulated!
Thank you guys!
I like this frag quite a bit, though I have to be in a certain "mood" to wear it.
I love Miel de Bois! My partner really hates it though, so I don't wear it that often.
Has it been reformulated already? I haven't tested the new one yet - hopefully it won't be too unrecognizable.
I cannot wait for my MdB sample to arrive!
There was a thread indicating that it would have to be reformulated because there were some particular issues with one of the ingredients being safe at the levels involved. I could look it up if it would help.
Yup, another MdB lover here! The very intense urinous note (which I don't mind ), is due to a high concentration of phenylacetic acid, which is also on the reformulation hitlist for 2010. I would love to hear feedback from someone in Paris.
If this keeps up, we'll all be wearing tap water.
I got a bell jar from Paris this summer. I don't know if this was reformulated in any way, but it was plenty strong.
I didn't get a urinal impression though, mostly a honeyed sharply woody incensey fragrance... I sort of lost interest in it though, so I kept a decant for myself and passed it on to my brother who likes it more than I.
Here is the post by zztopp in another thread in response to my question:
Originally Posted by scentsitivity
Highly toxic ingredient? Do we know what it is?
As others have said, it is now reverted to Bell Jar status.
zztopp: Phenylacetic acid, the high % of which in Miel de Bois is responsible for its characteristic urinous honey note, and can cause hormonal imbalance in humans. I believe the impending EU regulation will either force Miel de Bois to be discontinued or changed beyond recognition
The thread link is: http://community.basenotes.net/showp...8&postcount=14
Last edited by scentsitivity; 22nd November 2009 at 12:26 AM.
Ooh, another thread I wasn't meant to see.
*sprints out the door as fast as possible*
I'm a colognosaurus. Rawr!
I love Miel de Bois also. I also have never experienced the "urinous" note some describe (and complain of) so it has always been a pleasure to wear.
Terribly sad to think that another yummy scent will join the myriad others in being desecrated to appease the IFRA. Humans have been parfuming for over a century with all those "forbidden" chemicals; i have yet to hear of someone dying due to parfum.
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I am definitely getting MdB soon! This is a Lutens i really like but don't yet have.
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I have loved MdB since it was first released and I don't get a urinous note at all. When I have worn it, females (usually), comment that it smells of those big lillies on me. I do have an oily skin, so that might have something to do with it.
I had one or two run ins with Ms Sanchez on the old Luca Turin blog about it. She is convinced that everybody should get the urinous note that she gets. It might be the ones who don't get that note, who have got their olfactive wiring right and she hasn't. But anyway, because she gets the bad note, everybody who doesn't get it is smelling it wrong.
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Miel de Bois was love at first sniff for me and I got a bottle soon after it was released. Haven't smelled the bell jar version so can't compare.
Have never smelled anything even remotely urinous in it, to me it smells like wood saturated with honey.
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I like it. "Love" would be too much, though. Not the same feelings I have towards Chergui. Miel de Bois however is more daring, more challenging. That's a quality in itself. Again, I don't get any disagreeable note. It just doesn't seem to fit the person I am now. Maybe I'll grow into it (though I own it since 2007). Have to wear it more often.
If it's reformulated already and the phenylacetic acid was taken off they must have used another ingredient to get the honey note! Right!?
If the phenylacetic acid isn't there anymore the perfume should smell diferent, I think!
I don´t know if the juice in the bell jars are already the reformulated Miel de Bois or if it´s the same!
I'm afraid that Miel de Bois loses it´s enchantments without the phenylacetic acid!
Please save the phenylacetic acid! LOL!
Wow I'm so disappointed! I got my samples pack from Beautyhabit today and they didn't send me Miel de Bois after telling me they had it in stock. This is the second place to screw me out of a MdB sample so I've wasted $30 USD trying to get a 1ml sample. Anyone have a sample I could buy?! Let me know.
I don´t wear it light!
I spray it all over me and it works for me! No cat pee! LOL
But yes, I understand what you mean with light spraying!
Does anyone guess for what will the Phenylacetic acid be replaced for?
I wouldn't want to argue with zztopp; nevertheless, I checked a source I've used before which gibes with IFRA data. Still, the concentration recommendation cited here seems pretty high to me for it to be banned altogether:
"Recommendation for phenyl acetic acid usage levels up to :
2.0000 % in the fragrance concentrate."
That's twice the current tolerance for oakmoss.
Last edited by JaimeB; 24th November 2009 at 12:37 AM.
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I hope that they just reduce the acid!
And not replace for another thing!
Does anyone have a bell jar of Miel de Bois?
Can you list the ingredients printed on the box?
Anyone more bought the bell jar of Miel de Bois?
Do you think it´s different from the old export line flask?
My stock of Miel de Bois is running down!
I bathe in Miel de Bois...
I guess that nobody is using Miel except me :|
I love this stuff, but I don't wear it too often and take quite easy on the trigger when I do.
I haven't tried the bell jar juice but, although it is natural that different batches could have slight differences, I don't see the point why MdB would have been reformulated : There's no particularly hard-to-get ingridients in it, it is a cult classic as Serge is very much aware, without any possibilities to reach greater success in different (tamed) form anyway.
I guarantee you can go for a bell jar of MdB without that much of a care.
Two questions. I know this perfume was reformulated but I don't know when. I heard the reformulation may have coincided around the time this went to belljar only. Does this mean that any Miel de Bois found in the export (50ml size) is the original formulation?
My 2nd question. I know this is a very obscure Lutens and one most people dislike so this is a bit of a hopeful question but has anyone tried both the new version and old version and can compare contrast what the differences are?
I love MdB. It is close to HG matrial for me. funny thing is I did not like it in the beginning. I alway associated it with those shoe polish sponges that got honey wax. I got other Serge's before it and somehow this was the weird one out of the bunch but I ended up liking it more than any of them. I treasure the 10 ml left in my old export bottle. I guess i will never find a scent like this if it has been reformulated. One thing you can never accuse it for is originality: there is nothing out there like it.
I got various comments on it over time , ranging from 'this smells like an old man's cologne ' to 'furniture polish' to ' wow this smells amazing'.
Yea, it would be nice to have a comparison between the two versions.
The point of this post: MdB RULES!!
No rain, no rainbow
I actually love anything that is "furniture polish" type smelling. Weird, I know. I love all kinds of honey interpretations in fragrance. This is one Lutens I've strangely enough never experienced. Tonight I managed to procure 3 new-in-wrapper bottles of this juice in the old 50ml Export bottles, the last of their stock. They are now in process of being shipped to me from Europe. Out of curiosity I just now checked eBay and saw one bottle that is 33% full selling for 200 dollars which seems a bit overboard but I figured this juice might be rare so stocking up wasn't the worst idea, and if I don't like it I could sell it relatively easy.
I don't see any of the usual decanting sites carry this fragrance so I really have no way of testing out the new formulation other than ordering a bell jar of it which is why I was hoping someone with experience of both formulations could weigh in or perform a side-by-side.
Either way, thank you for your post felix. I love polarizing scents which this one seems to be. Going to be hawking over my mailbox waiting for these bottles to show up. If I don't like it I'll sell you one for normal retail price, if you are interested.
I have smelled the two, more than a reformulation Miel de bois has been "redesigned" into a softer scent.
Honestly it's still a beautiful (even very beautiful) perfume, the reformulation has been respectful but it's undeniably not the same and if you were an inconditional of the former version you could be slightly disappointed.
Comparing to the first formulation, the recent has lost harshness, the "wax polish / pleddge" note is less evident, the wood is more soft and round, it's also sweeter : the dark honey has become bright.
Paradoxally, although the older was more brutal and weird it melted better with my skin, an osmosis, the actual gives to my skin a nice scent while the old smelled MY skin.
But i'm sure a lot of people will prefer the new version (especially those who start with the new) , this reformulation is not a disaster and is still 1000x better than a discontinuation (that would be happened normally)
Mon Petit thank you for that informative post! I had also read that the reformulation was softer and more approachable, which almost makes me think the reformulation wasn't forced by the hand of IFRA but by the Lutens brand itself after seeing such a polarizing response to the original. Or perhaps that's just the skeptic in me lol
Maybe the two lm6, i think they probably had to reformulate it, but they profited the opportunity (passage from export to exclusive) for a little "upgrade" (as stated in interviews)
I Love Miel de Bois!
I have 7 backups of the old juice
I love it as well. I am at the very bottom of my vintage sample, and not one drop of it smelled like urine. Sad day.
And I'm still after a few extra bottles. Lol
Jealous! I'd settle for one vintage bottle myself.
be jealous no more. I woke up to a refund and a note from the company saying they tried to find a way to ship these to me but had no luck. I know certain companies have to abide by certain restrictions (especially regarding sending alcohol based perfumes) so I'm not too mad (hey, it was a blind buy after all!)
but there is no point in keeping it a secret, so if anyone in europe would like the last 3 bottles you can order them here
you're welcome! :P
Yeahhhhh! Thank you for the tio.
oh wow, i hope some of you jumped on my link when i posted it. the bottles were $89 (not just miel de bois but all serge lutens) and now they're all $124, an increase of 35 bucks!
I really like my vintage sample of Miel de Bois, but I'm very reluctant to pay the $290 for the bell jar on the US site, especially if it is a lesser reformulation. I may have to settle for the very inexpensive Lapidus for Men for my manly honey fix. It's quite good at doing that kind of thing, but Miel de Bois is clearly superior (at least the vintage one was). I'll be interested in hearing what others have to say about the current formulation.
I have a 50ml spray bottle of Miel De Bois - it is one of my favourite Lutens' - a beautiful fragrance that I love to wear. I didn't pick up the pee note for many months, when I found it it didn't put me off, I like it a little bit more :P
Wore this today for the very first time, I think I picked up my sample when we had the Sample Swap in Las Vegas with all my Basenotes peeps.
Amazing! I thoroughly enjoyed wearing it today. It's sweetness was modulated at the most perfect level (not too light, not too strong), the woods balanced and intermingled with the strong honey note, there was a perfectly harmless musk note humming underneath it all the entire time - I felt comforted, cocooned in accords. The only other honey-prominent scent that has knocked my socks off is that discontinued baby scent that L'Occitane used to sell in the paper cup box (can't remember the name of it now...). Very impressed. I could see owning a decant of this, for sure.
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A very nice scent if a bit sweet.
For something similar-ish try Delivre Moi - it's a beautiful honey scent, without the hugely intense woods of Miel De Bois, still a bit pissy but with some more floral accords - have only gave it a couple brief sniffs so can't say much more than that but it was a very impressive honey.
My current honey obsession is with M/Mink thought! Oh man it's amazing.
Anyone more tried the bell jar version of Miel de Bois?
If it worth it? Or is it trashed by the reformulation?
Still good to my nose. A BN buddy sent me samples, vintage and current, a while back to compare.
The current stock is slightly tamer, a little more 'pale woods', if I recall, but definitely recognisable as Miel de Bois.
Here's a short review I wrote for my blog a while back:
'For all the hyperbole that surrounds Muscs Koublaï Khän, I’ve always considered Miel de Bois the true animalic beast in the Lutens stable.
Despite some minor tweaks to the formala, the perfume remains pleasingly pissy, thanks to a good dose of phenylacetic acid that’s instrumental in creating the honey (miel) smell. Bridging the gap to the woody-amber base is an impressive amount of beta ionone, which adds a dry, orris-like facet with slight florally.'
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Thank you gandhajala!
Some how I feel a little bit comfortable about it!
I think that I'll buy a bell jar of it for comparison!
But I have 6 backup bottles of the old formula.
Love it every bit of it!
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It's taken a long, long time to come around to this fragrance, but I love it. Unfortunately, my love ( and former hate ) of this juice is based on an old decant of the export juice. I have a decant of the new juice coming, so... we'll see.
I used to find this fragrance excessively sweet. Subsequently I've grown to love a number of honey-centered fragrances ( Back To Black; Sova; Onda and Rozy; Absolue Pour Le Soir; and M/Mink ) and become more tolerant of the searing level of sweetness that radiates from this scent. What keeps it from being boring is a dry, dusty cedar and iris note that renders it inedible. ( I've generally found that's the saving grace with honey fragrances: they need some inedible element or they become cloying.)
It's a simple scent all in all, centered around a few exaggerated notes in high relief. I'd say it's closest cousin in the line is Rousse, not so much in smell ( MdB is very much about honey; Rousse is very much about cinnamon ), but in the approach of taking a bold note and softening it with iris and woods.
Last edited by Sugandaraja; 29th December 2014 at 07:31 PM.