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    Default Best online stores for essential oils in europe?

    So, i want to start making own perfume and just want som tips on where to get high quality essential oils, bottles etc, at good price in europe. I live in Sweden

    I´ve googled and found these:

    http://www.oils4life.co.uk/
    http://www.essentialoilsdirect.co.uk/ (doesnt ship to other countries)

    Also, I have some other questions:

    Where can i get amber, musk etc? Cause they doesnt seem to be essential oils.
    Whats the diffrence between Absolute and Essential oil? I havent found s many essential oils for fruits and berries like apple, isnt that categroized as essential oil? Whats the diffrence between perfume oil and essential oil?
    Anyone knows where to get oils from more exotic fruits, flowers, plants etc? Which online store has the most complete selection of essential oils?

    I also want to make a perfume with Mock-orange (Philadelphus), I think its also called syringa.
    White flowers with a scent slightly similar to wild strawberries.


    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 3rd December 2009 at 02:30 PM.

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    Hi swe_tiger

    Try here:

    http://www.baldwins.co.uk/

    the oils are good quality and they also stock a range of organic essential oils. They ship worldwide.

    Musk disappeared in the 90's, restricted for sale to the general public for various reasons. You can get hold of synthetic musk perfume oil though.

    An essential oil is the pure plant oil, a perfume oil is generally a synthetic similar to the natural smell. I have never seen or smelt a true apple essential oil, they are synthetic perfume oils. Strawberry is available as a perfume oil. The citrus are available as essential oils. I would recommend buying the true essential oil over the synthetic where possible, especially with jasmine and rose. (while we can still buy them >: l - but that is for another thread...)

    An absolute is the result of solvent extraction as against an essential oil that is mainly produced by distillation.

    To find specific rare oils try googling the name, in the past I have bought oils from the US as I couldn't (then) find them in Europe. Be careful - a lot of stores sell perfume oils (ie synthetic) as essential oils.
    Last edited by selky; 3rd December 2009 at 11:23 PM.
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    Thanks selky

    You know where to get synthetic musk and amber? They doesnt seem to have it at baldwins.
    Why is for example citrus an essential oil while strawberry is synthetic? Doesnt most commerical perfumes uses synthetic oils cause they are cheaper?
    I´ve tried googling mock-orange essential oil but i´ve found nada. http://www.bojensen.net/EssentialOil...m#Philadelphus
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 4th December 2009 at 08:30 AM.

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    Baldwins sell two synthetic musks (perfume oil) - the dark musk is similar to that traditionally used in perfumery - and amber essential oil (Pinus Succinefera fossil). I believe it is impossible to produce an essential oil from strawberry, probably due to the volatility. Synthetic compounds are used in perfumery for various reasons including cost, availability, longevity and toxicity.

    I found this on syringa (mock orange) syringa absolute you should be able to get a similar accord using neroli (orange blossom).
    Last edited by selky; 10th December 2009 at 06:19 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selky View Post
    Baldwins sell two synthetic musks (perfume oil) - the dark musk is similar to that traditionally used in perfumery - and amber essential oil. I believe it is impossible to produce an essential oil from strawberry, probably due to the volatility. Synthetic compounds are used in perfumery for various reasons including cost, availability, longevity and toxicity.

    I found this on syringa (mock orange) syringa absolute you should be able to get a similar accord using neroli (orange blossom).
    Thanks for your answers selky
    How long have you been making perfume?

    Mock-orange has a pretty much diffrent smell then orange blossom imo citrusy with a hint of wild strawberries and I dont know any perfumes that have used it. In Sweden the flower is called schersmin, commonly misstaken to be jasmin. Its common in old gardens.
    There is couple of diffrent mock-orange another one is called Philadelphus 'Mont Blanc' and should be smelling more like wild strawberries.

    Guess u have to get one of these: http://www.heartmagic.com/EssentialDistiller.html
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 4th December 2009 at 03:26 PM.

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    You're welcome,

    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post

    Mock-orange has a pretty much different smell then orange blossom imo citrusy with a hint of wild strawberries

    you could try neroli, lemon and strawberry perfume oil...

    seriously, if you manage to locate a supplier of mock-orange (Philadelphus coronarius (Saxifragaceae)) please post, my nose is curious...
    Last edited by selky; 4th December 2009 at 06:48 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selky View Post
    You're welcome,




    you could try neroli, lemon and strawberry perfume oil...

    seriously, if you manage to locate a supplier of mock-orange (Philadelphus coronarius (Saxifragaceae)) please post, my nose is curious...
    Yeah, but i think its pretty hard to recreate perfectly
    I´ve googled and found nothing so far, if I locate a supplier I´ll let u know

    http://books.google.se/books?id=UYrD...erfume&f=false

    Regarding other oils I saw that oils4life.co.uk is much cheaper than baldwins
    For example Bergamot 10 ml runs 2.49 at oils4life and 5.39 at baldwins, its more than double the price on most oils.
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 5th December 2009 at 02:23 PM.

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    I haven't bought from oils4life.co.uk so I can't comment on their oils. According to their site they sell high quality oils at trade price. Another member could possibly provide more info on them. I do know that Baldwins have strict quality controls and only use high quality suppliers. EO prices can fluctuate depending on market conditions ie a poor harvest will affect the availabilty and price up the chain to the consumer. There are different grades of EO as well which affects the price (and quality of smell).

    edit: Aromatherapy Trade Council This is the list of specialist aromatherapy suppliers who are members of the Aromatherapy Trade Council and provides some further links to EO suppliers who 'are recognised by the regulatory authorities as responsible suppliers'. Neals Yard and Tisserand also have good reputations. High quality oils are generally not cheap.

    Correction: oils4life are listed.
    Last edited by selky; 7th December 2009 at 02:38 PM. Reason: additional info/correction
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    Quote Originally Posted by selky View Post
    I haven't bought from oils4life.co.uk so I can't comment on their oils. According to their site they sell high quality oils at trade price. Another member could possibly provide more info on them. I do know that Baldwins have strict quality controls and only use high quality suppliers. EO prices can fluctuate depending on market conditions ie a poor harvest will affect the availabilty and price up the chain to the consumer. There are different grades of EO as well which affects the price (and quality of smell).

    edit: Aromatherapy Trade Council This is the list of specialist aromatherapy suppliers who are members of the Aromatherapy Trade Council and provides some further links to EO suppliers who 'are recognised by the regulatory authorities as responsible suppliers'. Neals Yard and Tisserand also have good reputations. Oils4life is not listed. High quality oils are generally not cheap.
    Hmm, but I doesn´t have to mean that their oils are in bad quality.



    "At Oils4life we take the quality of essential oils very seriously. We only offer 100% Pure Essential Oils which haven't been tampered with in any way.

    In order to ensure our pure essential oils are of the finest quality, we have established close working relationships with suppliers, producers and growers confirming the conditions the plants are grown in are acceptable. Essential oil quality is strongly influenced by the climates, seasonal changes, growing conditions and even growing techniques, therefore we actively seek the best essential oils throughout the world.

    In brief our quality control procedures include:
    # Gaining assurances on the processes used for quality control from suppliers, growers and producers
    # Gaining assurances that the correct botanical name has been used in growing
    # Use of GC/MS testing methodology to confirm product purity
    # Checking the odour of the oil has the correct characteristics
    # Checking the oil visually for proper distillation
    "

    Sounds good to me

    "Buying the most expensive essential oils does not guarantee you the best quality - but it does guarantee that those selling you the essential oils will be making huge profits!"

    hehe

    Btw, why is sandalwood, neroli and jasmin much more expensive then the other oils?
    Neroli and orange blossom are the same thing?
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 6th December 2009 at 09:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post

    "Buying the most expensive essential oils does not guarantee you the best quality - but it does guarantee that those selling you the essential oils will be making huge profits!"
    1st part true, 2nd part not true. As with a lot of things, you get what you pay for.

    For anyone looking for a good source of high quality pure essential oils I would suggest using the members list on the Aromatherapy Trade Council website as a starting point. The faqs section is also useful.

    There are doubtless many small companies providing good pure essential oils but unless you can go on a personal recommendation or know what to check for, using a supplier with membership of the ATC provides a guarantee of adherence to standards.

    Neroli and jasmine are expensive due to the low yield from the flower and sandalwood due to availability.
    and yes, neroli is orange flower.

    If you do go with oils4life please provide feedback...
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    Yeah, I might order a few oils from oils4life.

    No other member that tried them?

    This forum catagory doesn´t seem to be so popular


    Is there an oil for Sweet-briar wild rose, rose-hip or Eglantine Rose (Rosa rubiginosa), Rosa dumalis I´ve havent found it. Dont know the right name
    Translated the swedish name so it might have gotten a bit wrong.
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 7th December 2009 at 05:02 PM.

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    I buy bergamot (not organic) for 8.00GBP.
    It's 50% quality and 50% profit I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    Regarding other oils I saw that oils4life.co.uk is much cheaper than baldwins
    For example Bergamot 10 ml runs 2.49 at oils4life and 5.39 at baldwins, its more than double the price on most oils.
    Last edited by steve_123; 7th December 2009 at 06:55 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve_123 View Post
    I buy bergamot (not organic) for 8.00GBP.
    It's 50% quality and 50% profit I guess.
    I think thats a bit overpriced

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    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    "At Oils4life we take the quality of essential oils very seriously. We only offer 100% Pure Essential Oils which haven't been tampered with in any way.

    In order to ensure our pure essential oils are of the finest quality [etc]
    anyone can write on their site whatever story they want. and still sell rubbish. a good story on a website does not guarantee anything about quality products.

    "Buying the most expensive essential oils does not guarantee you the best quality - but it does guarantee that those selling you the essential oils will be making huge profits!"
    everybody with experience tells me: high quality oils are expensive. you only get what you pay for; no more, sometimes less.

    that's why it's important people tell other people their experience. so please let us know what you think and how it compares to others, when you order from them.

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    I buy relatively high priced oils but the are truly good. I have checked with 2 other companies
    and they are superior. You only get what you pay for; that's true.

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    steve_123 - Which company do you use? I'm looking for good sources of some of the rarer oils.
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    yeah, we needs names. i've come across many trustworthy sites on the other side of the pond, like eden and enfleurage, but shipping is a drag, very expensive.

    personally, i am going to place a big order soon at hekserij.nl, the site from basenoter janmeut. i will post my experiences afterwards.

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    good essential oils I have ordered online several times from Aqua-Oleum which is in the UK
    and I also order many times online from VersandApo.de which is a pharmacy in Frankenthal Germany they have many brands of essential oils and their shipping costs are very reasonable

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    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    Where can i get amber, musk etc? Cause they doesnt seem to be essential oils.
    Amber and Musk are general terms used to describe a certain fragrance family. There are no essential oils that have mainly a musk or amber scent, you have to use synthetics. The simple option is to use fragrance oils, better, but more complicated is to use aromachemicals. Fragrance oils are obtainable for several hundreds of webshops in Europe. Aromachemicals can be purchased from:

    http://www.hekserij.nl/en/main.htm (The Netherlands)
    http://www.perfumersapprentice.com/ (USA)
    http://www.perfumersworld.com/ (Thailand)

    All will ship to Sweden.

    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    Whats the diffrence between Absolute and Essential oil?
    An absolute is made with solvent extraction, an essential oil is made (according tot international standard ISO 9235) by distillation with water or steam, pressed from the zest of citrus fruits or by dry distillation.

    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    I havent found s many essential oils for fruits and berries like apple, isnt that categroized as essential oil? Whats the diffrence between perfume oil and essential oil?
    There is in most countries not a law that protects the term essential oil. Therefor it is usualy legal to sell other fragrance products as essential oil. I therefor always use the ISO 9235 standard. There are no commercial essential oils for berries or apple that are made according to that standard. I would call those oils a fragrance oil (or perfume oil). Those are mixtures of natural or synthetic fragrance materials.

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    Thanks for your answers guys.

    Does anyone happens to know where do get oils from more rare plants, like mock-orange?
    I´ve searched like a fool :P

    Another question: The fragrance oils/perfume oils seem to contain alchol, isnt this a problem cause you want to add the alchol yourself afterwards?
    They seemed to be made for oil-burners.

    http://www.perfumersworld.com/ is an intresting page, the only perfume school?
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 10th December 2009 at 04:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swe_tiger View Post
    Another question: The fragrance oils/perfume oils seem to contain alchol, isnt this a problem cause you want to add the alchol yourself afterwards?
    They seemed to be made for oil-burners.
    i don't know, solutions in alcohol on a oil burner, this seems odd, not to mention potentially dangerous.

    i do not see a problem if you want to include these in alcohol based perfume, when the quality is good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janmeut View Post
    There are no essential oils that have mainly a musk or amber scent, you have to use synthetics.
    hmmm... when is amber not amber?!

    To clarify; here I am referring to the pure amber essential oil of Pinus Succinefera fossil resin obtained by steam distillation. This has a deep resinous, almost menthol, pine note and becomes 'sweeter' and 'warmer' (more 'ambery') with age, with additional notes reminiscent of storax, copaiba and benzoin.

    The 'amber' accord in perfume is traditionally made up of labdanum, vanilla and benzoin and was designed to replicate the note ambrein in ambergris, a by product of the sperm whale and now available as a synthetic compound. Interesting thread here: truest ambergris regarding the natural ambergris.
    Last edited by selky; 10th December 2009 at 08:24 PM. Reason: back link
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    Im looking for a perfume oil/essential oil with gooseberry but i cant find that either

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    There is indeed an essential oil of amber, when you mean amber as in fosile resin. This essential oil was made (and maybe still is) by dry distillation of fosile resin. It is and was not commonly used in perfumery. In perfumery Amber usualy refers to a certain fragrance type (indeed mostly labdanum and balsamic notes) or to Ambergris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janmeut View Post
    It is and was not commonly used in perfumery.
    You are right, the amber EO is not commonly used in perfumery, probably due to availability and the strong creosote resemblance of a fresh batch. In it's defense, I have used it in small quantities to give a 'kick' to a base, and, personally, I Iove it's complexity (but then I am a big fan of gums and resins). My brief post above hopefully explains the differences.

    edit: I should also add that amber EO can cause skin irritation in some individuals and should not be applied neat to the skin.

    I have amended my original post to include the latin Pinus Succinefera. Apologies for any confusion caused.
    Last edited by selky; 14th December 2009 at 01:29 PM. Reason: edit
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    one more contribution to the database of online stores http://www.labo-hevea.com/fr/boutique/
    a spanish laboratory that produces essential oils and stuff. a completely french website but you can find a link to a catalogue in english, ships everywhere in europe as far as i know också till sverige(hej swe_tiger !) a bit pricey definately when it comes to precious oils. I tried their moss absolute which turned out to be of a quite high quality(in fact so high that a little,really tiny spot i accidentally spilled on my table cloth,was sending out a strong olfactory signal even after thoroughly whiping it off with a wet napkin).Also very nice tonka absolute and cabreuva wood(really,try this one, maybe not necessarily from this supplier)

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    ive been using this company for twenty five years

    http://www.idaromatics.co.uk/index.asp

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    Thanks for the links.

    Which online store has the largest collection of perfume/fragrance oils (in europe or outside, doesnt matter)
    There is so many oils that I just cant find (but they probably exist just isnt aviable to public).
    I´ve been looking for Gooseberry and Guarana recently.
    Last edited by swe_tiger; 20th December 2009 at 11:17 AM.

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    Aqua oleum has amazing quality oils. Really noticably better than others. I think they are very carefully sourced.
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    For animal essences you can contact Salaam http://www.profumo.it/perfume/home_english.htm
    Here's a great source of naturals, they sell retail what Albert Vieille sells wholesale: http://www.neroliane.eu/?language=en
    Aqua Oleum is great, as is mentioned, did you know they have a sister site that also sells essences, and also offers suppliers for budding perfumers? http://www.essentially-me.co.uk/index.php

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    This is simply a fantastic thread with loads of excellent links. Big thanks to all of you :-)
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    I do not think there is a mock orange flower absolute or CO2 on the market. But you can buy perfume that has mock orange (seringa) in it, at http://www.florislondon.com/gbp/flor...e/seringa.html
    You could also make your own by experimenting iwith mixing a few drops of various essential oils/absolutes together, like jasmine, tangerine, lilac, etc.

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