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    Default I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    First off, I'm sorry if I'm outing a fellow BNer, and also if I've got this rule incorrect, I'm not a big ebay user, nor am I particularly up on all of the rules regarding fragrances. But if I'm not mistaken, shouldn't this be against the rules?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/PARFUMERIE-GENER...item3efa99971f

    They even mention the word "decant" in the description. I also find it of note that it's from TPC, which doesn't really sit right with me, that's reselling from a reseller?
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    it's probably different because it's a retail item purchased from a vendor, not someone operating out of their house decanting things themselves.

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    eBay is full of crap. Look at all the counterfeit creeds that they do nothing about.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    First off, I'm sorry if I'm outing a fellow BNer, and also if I've got this rule incorrect, I'm not a big ebay user, nor am I particularly up on all of the rules regarding fragrances. But if I'm not mistaken, shouldn't this be against the rules?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/PARFUMERIE-GENER...item3efa99971f

    They even mention the word "decant" in the description. I also find it of note that it's from TPC, which doesn't really sit right with me, that's reselling from a reseller?
    Do you think it's really wrong? If not, why to expose a fellow poster?

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    Do you think it's really wrong? If not, why to expose a fellow poster?
    First off, yes whether or not I agree with the ruling, if it's against the rules, I'll side with Ebay, DON'T DO IT! Second, as stated originally, I don't know if it's a poster or not.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Waah waaah waaah why do you care.

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by albumleaf View Post
    Waah waaah waaah why do you care.
    Come on man. That wasn't necessary, now was it? I'm not the type to call people out and make a big stink, and wasn't planning on doing it on this thread. I simply happened upon it and decided to share it with the community. You do realize this is a FRAGRANCE forum don't you?
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Comments on the original post:

    (1) Yes, selling decants is against the eBay rules.

    (2) Ebay does not consistently enforce their rules regarding decant sales.

    Look around and you will find more of these from other sellers.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    First off, yes whether or not I agree with the ruling, if it's against the rules, I'll side with Ebay, DON'T DO IT! Second, as stated originally, I don't know if it's a poster or not.
    So, it seems that you already believed it's wrong when you created the thread, and you just want to expose the "bad" person who is selling decants. How nice from you.

    Ebay is a private enterprise, so they know better than us when to apply their "rules", and these are meant to protect THEIR interest/profit at first place, not yours. Beware of it before defending them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albumleaf View Post
    Waah waaah waaah why do you care.
    One reason to care is that some people want to respect the rules of a community that they are participating in.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    So, it seems that you already believed it's wrong when you created the thread, and you just want to expose the "bad" person who is selling decants. How nice from you.

    Ebay is a private enterprise, so they know better than us when to apply their "rules", and these are meant to protect THEIR interest/profit at first place, not yours. Beware of it before defending them.
    What are you talking about? Of course its wrong, it's against their rules. This is a fragrance forum, with many members who are far more active on Ebay than myself. My intention was to simply show the community, and hopefully get some answer as to why it existed. I GOT that answer, from a few members, in that Ebay fails to enforce these rules that well. It was as simple as that. I don't know why there's all this defending of the seller in the first place, unless it was you or a friend of yours, that seller is in clear violation of Ebay policy, so yes, in this situation they are "bad".
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    What are you talking about? Of course its wrong, it's against their rules. This is a fragrance forum, with many members who are far more active on Ebay than myself. My intention was to simply show the community, and hopefully get some answer as to why it existed. I GOT that answer, from a few members, in that Ebay fails to enforce these rules that well. It was as simple as that. I don't know why there's all this defending of the seller in the first place, unless it was you or a friend of yours, that seller is in clear violation of Ebay policy, so yes, in this situation they are "bad".
    You don't know why I'm defending the seller, and I don't know why you are attacking him.

    No, I'm not defending him, I don't even know who this seller is, but I do have an opinion about selling decants. I don't think it is that harmful to Ebay members. There are people selling fake stuff there for ages, that's much worse.

    So why Ebay doesn't punish all of them? It's simple, and I already explained it: they PROFIT with it. Their rules are meant to protect THEIR interests, as any private rule, and they are applied only when they want to. That's how it works, I'm sorry.

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    You don't know why I'm defending the seller, and I don't know why you are attacking him.

    No, I'm not defending him, I don't even know who this seller is, but I do have an opinion about selling decants. I don't think it is that harmful to Ebay members. There are people selling fake stuff there for ages, that's much worse.

    So why Ebay doesn't punish all of them? It's simple, and I already explained it: they PROFIT with it. Their rules are meant to protect THEIR interests, as any private rule, and they are applied only when they want to. That's how it works, I'm sorry.
    Hang on one second. Quite honestly, I don't think decant sales hurt Ebay, and if I'm not mistaken, I thought these rules were do to lawsuits AGAINST Ebay by the producers of the original fragrances. I don't think these are self-imposed rules we're talking about. But, like I said I'm not up on the rules, so of course I could be wrong, and if someone want to clarify, I'd very much appreciate it. My point isn't in defense of either party, both are to shame here, the seller for violating a pretty big rule, and Ebay for failing to enforce said rules. Like I said though, I don't think that these rules are made by Ebay, but something Ebay was forced to set up.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Can someone show me where on ebay they have the decant rule listed? I can't seem to find it. Is it possible some of these sellers don't even know about the ban? It doesn't seem like something that would be obviously wrong to sell like counterfeit goods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Hang on one second. Quite honestly, I don't think decant sales hurt Ebay, and if I'm not mistaken, I thought these rules were do to lawsuits AGAINST Ebay by the producers of the original fragrances. I don't think these are self-imposed rules we're talking about. But, like I said I'm not up on the rules, so of course I could be wrong, and if someone want to clarify, I'd very much appreciate it. My point isn't in defense of either party, both are to shame here, the seller for violating a pretty big rule, and Ebay for failing to enforce said rules. Like I said though, I don't think that these rules are made by Ebay, but something Ebay was forced to set up.
    Now you said something smart. If these specific rule is not made by them, and they don't profit with it, so why to apply it? Where their interest gets in? Again, it's a private company, why to invest in something that doesn't improve the business? If something goes bad, they can always blame the seller and argue it's impossible to control everything. And the fragrance companies also don't seem to be so concerned, there is decant selling all around the globe. TPC is doing fine, the companies obviously know it exists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azsmells View Post
    Can someone show me where on ebay they have the decant rule listed? I can't seem to find it. Is it possible some of these sellers don't even know about the ban? It doesn't seem like something that would be obviously wrong to sell like counterfeit goods.
    I couldn't find it, so I emailed eBay on it. This is the response I received on 9 Sep 09:

    Dear Franklin,

    Thank you for writing eBay in regard to decanted perfumes.

    We appreciate your inquiry. Our related policy applies to decanted brand
    name cosmetics. Under this policy, eBay does not allow the following:

    - Listing counterfeits, unauthorized replicas, and other unauthorized
    items for sale
    - Listing of brand name perfumes, lotions, and other cosmetics taken
    from their original containers and filled in other containers such as
    bottles, sprays, pens
    - Sale of an item that includes the name or logo of a company, but
    wasn't made or endorsed by that company

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    I've sold decants on ebay in the past. They used to not allow it but as of late they have either turned a blind eye or revised their policy. I tried to find their rules on this but I couldn't find any mention of decants. I personally think decant sales should be allowed on eBay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Futami View Post
    I've sold decants on ebay in the past. They used to not allow it but as of late they have either turned a blind eye or revised their policy. I tried to find their rules on this but I couldn't find any mention of decants. I personally think decant sales should be allowed on eBay.
    I think they have turned a blind eye to it; at least in some cases. And yes, I think they should be allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    One reason to care is that some people want to respect the rules of a community that they are participating in.
    You are the police officer that tickets someone for jaywalking when there are no automobiles for miles.

    I'm sure the enforcement of the no-decant policy on eBay operates in the same fashion as say, counterfeit Diesel jeans on eBay, which is by users reporting fake or inappropriate goods. eBay isn't going to spend time (money) to look for inappropriate items (at least ones that aren't obviously illegal to sell) that would detract from the money they get from FVF fees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by albumleaf View Post
    You are the police officer that tickets someone for jaywalking when there are no automobiles for miles.

    I'm sure the enforcement of the no-decant policy on eBay operates in the same fashion as say, counterfeit Diesel jeans on eBay, which is by users reporting fake or inappropriate goods. eBay isn't going to spend time (money) to look for inappropriate items (at least ones that aren't obviously illegal to sell) that would detract from the money they get from FVF fees.
    Some people may not be familiar with the history of decant sales on eBay. There was a time in which decant sales were common and done in the open. Indeed there were businesses whose primary product was decant sales. These sales were stopped by eBay at a fixed date and some of these businesses migrated outside of eBay to form The Perfumed Court. For a time, decant listings were difficult to find on eBay at all.

    With that history in view, some of us would like to understand their current policy.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Well for a start that item is a mini not a decant. A decant is one someone has made at home, this is a mini made by the company.

    I still see the odd decant for sale, but they are not listed as decants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donna255 View Post
    Well for a start that item is a mini not a decant. A decant is one someone has made at home, this is a mini made by the company.

    I still see the odd decant for sale, but they are not listed as decants.
    I see no evil and speak of no evil of these sellers.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Quote Originally Posted by donna255 View Post
    Well for a start that item is a mini not a decant. A decant is one someone has made at home, this is a mini made by the company.

    I still see the odd decant for sale, but they are not listed as decants.
    I see no evil and speak of no evil of these sellers.
    It's not a mini. It's a decant, you can even see the TPC logo on it.

    Edit: SoS beat me to it!
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    I think a few us need to take an industrial-strength chill pill here. This is quite a relevant topic, considering that many of us are avid Ebay users who hope that Ebay slackens its decant-selling ban. I appreciate the clarity this thread has offered about:

    a) whether decant sales are still illegal on Ebay
    b) if it is still a rule, how/if Ebay enforces that rule, and
    c) whether reselling a decant from another source is still against Ebay rules.

    Actually, I don't think the third question has been answered yet. Anyone?

    Also, if the seller is a BNer, nothing in this thread or on Ebay is exposing their identity.
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Thank you LJ.

    On point C, I would assume if original decants are not allowed then second hand decants are not allowed either.

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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    I saw that Perfumed Court Decant, too. Hmmph!

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    Meh. I'm perfectly happy to buy decants on eBay, rules or not. They act to protect themselves and maximise their profits, and I, as a buyer, act in my own interests (which often include acquiring decants), too. Honestly could not care less about eBay rules that concern things other than outright fraud/lying/fake goods etc.

    Am also interested on the third point - decants being sold by someone who hasn't actually done the decanting themselves...?
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    Default Re: I thought you couldn't sell Decants on Ebay?

    Just because something is against the rules does not mean it is "wrong" or the person is "bad". Do you get upset when someone goes 5 mph above the speed limit? Are they "bad"? Should every single person going 5 over the speed limit get a ticket? Wouldn't you rather the police spend their energy on stoppping people going 20 over the limit?
    Ebay has a rule which has no legal basis. It is there job to enforce their own rule and if they fail to do so I don't have a problem with it. I would rather them focus on stopping sales of actual bad and wrong stuff like counterfeit goods.




    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    What are you talking about? Of course its wrong, it's against their rules. This is a fragrance forum, with many members who are far more active on Ebay than myself. My intention was to simply show the community, and hopefully get some answer as to why it existed. I GOT that answer, from a few members, in that Ebay fails to enforce these rules that well. It was as simple as that. I don't know why there's all this defending of the seller in the first place, unless it was you or a friend of yours, that seller is in clear violation of Ebay policy, so yes, in this situation they are "bad".

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    We can all sit here and go on and on about Ebay this or Ebay that. Here's the points I find relevant:
    1) If the buyer and seller are both happy, who cares and,
    2) ebay is out to MAKE MONEY, period, end of story.

    Look at the new fees. I just wish someone like Google would spend the $$$ necessary to compete with ebay and make the fees reasonable.

    You can sell a grilled cheese sandwich with a supposed depiction of the Virgin Mary for 27,000 bucks, do they care,,um,,no they don't.

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