I agree it sounds awfully elitist when put like that. I read the infamous remark slightly differently, though: the "advanced class stage" is being open-minded about gender classification, and being able to appreciate scent regardless of the label on the bottle. Now, if after trying any amount of pour femme, you still prefer to wear designated masculines, I don't think anyone can argue with that. Tastes differ. Many (most non-BN'ers, I suppose) pre-emptively decide that anything marketed to females is automatically bound to make them wear frilly pink skirts, though. In that respect, even considering to wear female marketed scent is "advanced class", innit?I made my comment "just" against the "connoisseur-attitude", i.e. that one has to develop etc. in order to appreciate female scents on yourself.
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Ah, the perils of such an imprecise language... which is why 'advanced class' were in quotation marks to begin with, any connotation of 'elitism' is far from intended. Arguably it does take a little more experience (and open-mindedness) to learn just how gender-neutral many of the female-marketed scents are, and even more experience to pick the right scents for the right occasion as I have always pointed out in many of my earlier posts. Anyway I offer my apologies if my less than precise use of English has ruffled feathers...
In that respect, perhaps one can categorise scent to the occasion or season. Most people usually prefer floral, lighter scents in warm weather, and muskier, heavier scents in the cooler weather. That's not to say you can't wear anything you wish whenever you choose!
I am of the opinion that scents can be used by anyone--for their enjoyment and others. The "gender labels" of scent are really late 19th century ideas. It was around this time that men started wearing trousered pyjamas instead of the nightshirt/nightgown that they had worn for centuries.
I have used the Comte d'Orsay to point out the paradox of gender labels. For instance, he was a formidable bare-knuckle boxer, duellist (sword and pistol), rifle shot, cricket player, driver and rider (carriages and horses) and was broad in the chest, standing a towering 6'3": almost 7' in his top hat. This would put him in a masculine category for most people.
Then again, he took perfumed baths, and used tons eau de jasmin and eau de Cologne, and paid a great deal of attention to his clothing. Many people put fashion sense and perfume (esp. jasmine scents) in a feminine category. This paradox did not seem to bother him at all.
It's all perspective, I guess.
"There is no accessory greater, nor more intimate, than scent." --Tim Gunn
Not that I wouldn't wear a pour femme fragrance, but in my limited experience, the closest I've gotten is the unisex Mugler Cologne (which I really enjoy).
As far as masculine/feminine go, my little girl's Mary Kate & Ashley perfume smells quite masculine to me. However, I don't like the way it smells at all.
LMAO. Good one, Matt!
But I agree with your e.g. on Comte d'Orsay. Ultimately it is probably the way you project to others that defines masculinity or feminity, irrespective of the scent you're wearing. And you don't really have to be 6 foot 3"...
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I'd wear some "female" fragances... but the thing is that i don't like so many female frags, not even on them. Anyway i'm thinking about buying somo Temps d'une fete
Well i wear Fleurs d'oranger by Lutens, but, for me, it's unisex.
I have worrn a whole bunch, it's all about the way you carry yourself, i have been told only once that my scent was "flowery" but not in a mocking way, more in a surprised way (a magnolia scent).
My skin chemistry allows me to wear some feminine scents making them masculine smelling (Balmain's Ivoire) .
There are many more that i don't wear but i keep for "research" purposes (Patou's 1000 and Lanvin's Arpège).
And then there are those scents that are labeled feminine but borrow heavely from the "men's" side of perfumery (YSL's Y; Dior's Midnight Poison) . And those more "unisex" than anything (some of Guerlain's AA line;etc).
It's all in good fun.
The latest one i like to wear, mostly at home and marketed for women is TF's Black Orchid VdF.
diorissimo cologne in the checkered bottle (just like an even more floral and greener eau sauvage)
bulgari blv eau d'ete limited edition (like a less harsh gph II)
dior homme is more feminine than these two to my nose.
when i wore dior homme cologne i kinda felt pretty lol!
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Too many to name , just be bold and wear what you want to wear with abundance and audacity
As I said in my earlier post, the gender marketing of fragrance is really a phenomenon of the end of the 19th century.
Wear what you like and don't worry about the label. If a man wants to wear Dior Poison or Chanel No. 5, that is his choice and no one's business but his own.
Scents do indeed smell different on different people, and on men and women.
"There is no accessory greater, nor more intimate, than scent." --Tim Gunn
This discussion has been going on in one form or another since the day I arrived on BN. I haven't yet smelled Cuir de Lancome. I'm going to buy a bottle just because it is so reasonably priced and well liked... I'm sure if I don't like it I can always find a good home for it. I believe it is marketed as "female."
I do prefer to turn female heads, say e.g. in a supermarket queue, and would not really want lustful men to turn around and look at me confused.
I do own, and wear, obviously, Bvlgari Au De Rouge, an, in my opinion, rather feminine unisex. Admittedly mainly at home as it is calming and relaxing for me. Also Bal a Versaille, as I was craving some civet. It's lovely and doesn't strike me as too feminine.
Also had a sample of Manifesto which I quite liked at first but lost interest quickly.
Midnight Poison is a terrific "masculine" in small doses.
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I wear all fragrances everywhere and I tend to get more compliments from women on pour-femme fragrances. Just the other day the clerk in a clothing store gave me a "OMG you smell goooood!" and I was wearing the very girlish Guerlain La Petit Robe Noir. If I had to guess I'd wager that for most women the potent masculines are a turn-off, especially if you're wearing too much of one.
Wearing Jicky myself - but it's not a girls scent or is it?) my older brother who is full of testosterone and chase women like mad wears his secret weapon and it works - Black Orchid
Versace Metal Jeans for Men I find to be even more feminine, but I have'nt worn it in years.
I recently bought Chanel No.5 Eau Premiere, which I've worn only once. I'm going to give it to my mother if it doesn't work out for me, but I need to give it some more time, especially with summer coming.
I've worn many. Eau de Shalimar is something I wear a lot. It's just extremely beautiful and quite unisex. Have had numerous compliments with it from ladies.
I am confident of my own sexuality. I wear a scent that I like, regardless, of its marketed gender. In public and work I use common sense and maybe tone it down closer to my skin. Yes I have and wear Chanel Eau de Cologne and on top of that I have got my future sights on acquiring Jicky.
As of lately, Dior Homme...