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    Default Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Hi everyone!

    I passed a training of natural perfumery but I since it is a expensive sport, I am "playing" with fragrance oils more than essential oils.
    I have so many question regarding synthetic and some technical stuff... so if you can help me, I would be grateful:

    I ran out of jojoba, so I am using almond oil. I've put EO of Atlas Cedar (C. Atlantica) and it stayed on the bottom of bottle.
    Why? What can I do or what am I doing wrong?

    Also, I noticed that FO Vanilla is staying on the top of my bottle... won't mix (at least not visually)... Any ideas there?

    thanks for all your help!!
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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Ankica,
    Did the same Atlas Cedar EO and Vanilla FO previously disperse in your jojoba?

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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    thank you for writing.
    i don't have answer because I received those oils after I ran out of jojoba.
    But I must say this also for patchuli and, I think, frankincense.
    All those base notes simple go down
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    Ankica,
    I think the key problem is solubility. Most commercial perfumes use alcohol (with a little water) to disolve the aromachemicals. But the aromachemicals are all organics, as are jojoba and almond oil. I've disloved most of my EOs in several different oils, including sesame oil from the grocery store.

    What we've all discovred is that alcohol and oil won't mix. So it's possible that your latest EOs are water based and thus don't mix with your almond oil. Another (less likely) possibility is that your 'almond oil' is actually a dispersion of a little oil in a lot of alcohol or water.

    I'd suggest trying another oil. Neutragena makes a Fragrance Free Body Oil that I've used successfully. It's pretty reasonably priced.

    And always begin by experimenting with small quantities. E.g., mix 2 ml of an EO with 4 ml of whatever oil or alcohol you want to use as a dispersant. If they separate, at least you haven't used up all your EO finding out.

    Good luck.

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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    so, you would exclude Fragrance oils and search for a possible problem is carrier oil or EO?
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    Ankica,
    Trying your fragrance oil in at least one other oil would be an experiment.
    A) If the FO doesn't disperse in any oil, then I'd conclude that it probably contains water and/or alcohol, OR
    B) If the FO does disperse in another oil, then I'd conclude that there was something wrong with your almond oil.

    p.s., I tend to see the world as a series of experiments. Whatever an experiment's result, you learn something.

    Don't forget to have fun.

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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    thank you very much.
    i bought jojoba yesterday!
    cannot wait to start mixing!
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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Ankica,

    Nature's Alchemy sells a variety of carrier oils. You'd at least know they were compatible with Nature's Alchemy EOs.

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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    you are forgetting international shipping
    i have jojoba now. i think things will be better.
    in the future, I will check some web sites which some informed people gave me and I believe with a time I will find best FO and best EO
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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Vanilla fragrance oil usualy contains a some vanillin in a solvent (together with other aromachemicals). This solvent is probably DPG, that does not mix very well with fixed oils like jojoba oil. Other fragrance oils may contain les hydrophile solvents like DEP, paraffin oil and IPM, these will mix better.
    The only ways to find out are asking your supplier or trying.

    Cedarwood EO should be at least a bit soluble in most fixed oils, so I don't know why this separates from the almond oil.

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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    thanks
    will bit shaking help ? hahaha
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    Default Re: Base note is on the bottom, vanilla on the top

    Shaking can help, but in case the mixture separates afterward you need to replace the solvent (here the almond oil), or add a suitable emulsifier.

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