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    In particular, what would a dandy's mistress wear? (A am posting this forum after a thread in the men's forum on "What is a dandy's scent?" The suggestions depended on one's definition of a dandy: prissy fop or the groomed-and-perfumed man of fashion in his impeccable suit.)

    Many of these mistresses were the sex goddesses of their day, either beauty queens or divas of the stage (actresses, opera singers and prima ballerinas.)

    Would she be the love of a man's life (esp. a man forced by his family into a marriage of convenience) or would she be the status arm candy and good-time-girl of a man of fashion, a confection in the form of a woman to strike envy into the hearts of other men?

    What would such a woman smell like? Flowery? Oriental? Vampy and animalic? I guess this also depends on our definitions of a "mistress."

    I am thinking that such perfume should have an oh-la-la allure with londonienne/parisienne appeal. Ylang-ylang, jasmine, rose, muguet--are some notes that come to mind.

    I thought of five scents:

    1. Fifi Chachnil (after the eponymous lingerie line)

    2. Maitresse (after the Agent Provocateur lingerie line)

    3. Courtesan by Worth (a fashion deisgner who WAS couturier to some real courtesans.)

    4. Boudoir by Vivienne Westwood

    5. Pavlova by Payot (after the 20th century ballet dancer)

    What oozes sex appeal of bygone times?

    FYI, here is a pic of the Comte d'Orsay's mistress (c. 1833-1834) Fanny Ellsler, the Austrian ballerina and diva who stole the hearts of three continents. She was known for her sexy Spanish dance, the cachucha. On her North American tour, the U.S. Congress had to be adjourned because they had no quorum (great name for a scent, BTW!) because they all turned out to the theatre to see her perform. John Van Buren, the president's son, if memory serves, escorted her to dinner. (FYI, the Comte's wife--his countess-was the mistress of the Crown Prince of France!)

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    Certainly it'd be 1876 (Mata Hari) from Histoires de Parfums.

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    Primrose- Fanny Elsller was beautiful wasn't she ?

    Well I would have to say Shalimar, Agent Provocateur, Theo Fennell.
    To be honest , a lot of the older Guerlains conjure up paramours, to me.

    Mind you, dandy's mistress may well smell like violets too . Just a thought ........

    Then Jaspar Conran actually has a perfume called Mistress - not very subtle but had to mentioned ! Bottle below - sorry - resized the image and now the name is unclear.

    **Image is back -sorry it is so large.

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    +1 Shalimar.

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    Carnal Flower & FRACAS would be excellent choices, I think. However, these are both lingering scents, like a trace of lipstick. If the mistress is to be kept a secret, then something more subtle would be required.
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    I remember Turin writing that it was accepted in France that Caron made fragrances for ladies and Guerlains were for kept-women, which made me laugh when I read it because it makes *perfect* sense when you think about it.
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    Another vote for Shalimar, preferably the extrait. Applied to the cleavage, of course...

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    Fanny Ellsler was so beautiful!

    Hm, great suggestions. I think of something heady & a bit naughty- Bal a Versailles, or even Femme de Rochas. But RHM makes a good point- these are lingering scents...would a Mistress wear a toilet water, or a splash? Perhaps gargling with rose water

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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticknot View Post
    Primrose- Fanny Elsller was beautiful wasn't she ?

    Well I would have to say Shalimar, Agent Provocateur, Theo Fennell.
    To be honest , a lot of the older Guerlains conjure up paramours, to me.

    Mind you, dandy's mistress may well smell like violets too . Just a thought ........

    Then Jaspar Conran actually has a perfume called Mistress - not very subtle but had to mentioned ! Bottle below - sorry - resized the image and now the name is unclear.

    **Image is back -sorry it is so large.

    It looks like Shalimar is ahead...and one suggestion on where it should be applied!

    Thank you all for the responses.

    nwatts, yes, Mata Hari was an original seductress who was aware of her power over men. Sad about the firing squad, however.

    Mysticknot, I love the link. It looks like *black* is the colour of the seductress:

    http://www2.victoriassecret.com/comm...ZZZ&rfnbr=5699

    The boudoir dressing table atomiser must be in vogue! I guess I was off-target with Courtesan, Boudoir, Pavlova and Fifi Chachnil--who use the colour pink. (Fanny Ellsler's signature dance was in a pink and black costume, BTW. Any woman showing her legs up past the knee on stage would turn men's heads; a beautiful woman doing this would make then stare mesmerised. She was stringing along three men at one point, one of whom was the Comte--the other two were her stage co-star and another French nobleman. The Comte was still rumoured to have fathered her daughter even though the paternity of the child was later established...as the dancer.)

    Hmmm. The original Agent Provocateur scent was in pink with black lettering. Maitresse is in the gold bottle.

    BTW, I like the Caron v. Guerlain observations. I wonder why that is so...

    Interesting that the notes suggested are vanilla and floral with Shalimar and Carnal Flower. I guess violet--that ultimate Victorian flower--is a very good suggestion!

    Does any of this call to mind a sweat-soaked ballerina--her bosom heaving from a vigourous dance routine, perspiration dripping from her face and into her costume cleavage--thundering applause from the audience as she exits the stage amid a deluge of flowers from her fans--for a tryst with her lover in her dressing room?

    Yes, Fanny was beautiful, 3xasif!

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    Flower Bomb!!! I also will go with Shalimar!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by G.303 View Post
    Flower Bomb!!! ...
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    This is for the mistress who's tired of all that waitin' around stuff, and wants loverboy to get moving on the early-promised divorce. (I think this desire may be more of an American phenomenon than a French one. )

    For the discreet mistress, I would suggest choosing several of the man's fragrances. OMG. I just realized why such a high percentage of male frags are worn by women. Well BEHAVE!
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    Black Orchid EdP by Tom Ford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    This is for the mistress who's tired of all that waitin' around stuff, and wants loverboy to get moving on the early-promised divorce. (I think this desire may be more of an American phenomenon than a French one. )

    For the discreet mistress, I would suggest choosing several of the man's fragrances. OMG. I just realized why such a high percentage of male frags are worn by women. Well BEHAVE!
    Redneck, I think the mistress in question would not give a hoot for marrying her lover, nor what his wife thought of her...the courtesan in the 19th century sense, then again our responses on the word "mistress" are touched with perception...such as modern athletes and the media! My perception is an independent woman in charge of her power and beauty and her ability to have men lining up just to kiss her hand! LOL!

    It seems Shalimar is far ahead now. Does anyone have the note for Bal a Versailles or Femme de Rochas?

    This from a book on dance, the 1924 Golden Age of Dancing--it seems that Fanny must have been a match for the muscular and athletic Comte: "Ellsler's natural endowment contained almost everything the gods in a generous mood can give. The perfection of proportion of hands, feet, wrists and ankles were hers, as well as a Greek perfection of figure. Though her legs were of steel, and her strength in general that of an athlete, not a line suffered in sculptural grace nor a movement in freedom. Her face had a beauty that captivated an audience at the moment of her entrance on the stage, and a range of expression covering the moods of the human mind...
    Ellsler's art consisted of a romantic glorification of life's physique...she used her hips and her smile, and menómore than womenówent into rhapsodies."
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    Femme de Rochas:
    (updated with peach added in 1989) peach, plum, sandalwood, rosewood, lemon, rose, jasmine, oakmoss, patchouli, musk, amber, civet, & leather

    Bal a Versailles:
    Top: bergamot, rosemary, orange blossom, mandarin, cassia, lemon
    Middle: jasmine, neroli, Bulgarian rose, lilac, orris, ylang-ylang, lily of the valley
    Base: sandalwood, patchouli, vetiver, tolu balsam, musk, benzoin, civet, cedar, resins

    This interesting review online quote about Bal a Versailles

    "A 60s-era perfume recalling balls at Versailles is going to be a little kitschy, though, and I couldn't help but think of the weird retro fashions rock stars wore back then. Take the Rolling Stones' dandy Brian Jones, for example, sporting neo-Edwardian ruffles, velvet jackets and a past-as-interpreted-by-the-already-rococo-60s."

    http://yesterdaysperfume.typepad.com...prez-1962.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    BTW, I like the Caron v. Guerlain observations. I wonder why that is so...

    Interesting that the notes suggested are vanilla and floral with Shalimar and Carnal Flower. I guess violet--that ultimate Victorian flower--is a very good suggestion!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Elssler_Cachucha.jpg
    The Guerlain for 'cocottes' and Caron for 'duchesse' quote comes for The Emperor Of Scent by Chandler Burr- an older lady by the name of Madame Clouzot remarked on the two perfume houses.
    Maybe Guerlain was/ is more risque ??

    Quote Originally Posted by nsamadi View Post
    Black Orchid EdP by Tom Ford.
    Oh yes, I agree- I guess I like chevase -like, kept women - type fragrances ! *LOL*

    Quote Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post
    Femme de Rochas:
    (updated with peach added in 1989) peach, plum, sandalwood, rosewood, lemon, rose, jasmine, oakmoss, patchouli, musk, amber, civet, & leather

    Bal a Versailles:
    Top: bergamot, rosemary, orange blossom, mandarin, cassia, lemon
    Middle: jasmine, neroli, Bulgarian rose, lilac, orris, ylang-ylang, lily of the valley
    Base: sandalwood, patchouli, vetiver, tolu balsam, musk, benzoin, civet, cedar, resins

    This interesting review online quote about Bal a Versailles

    "A 60s-era perfume recalling balls at Versailles is going to be a little kitschy, though, and I couldn't help but think of the weird retro fashions rock stars wore back then. Take the Rolling Stones' dandy Brian Jones, for example, sporting neo-Edwardian ruffles, velvet jackets and a past-as-interpreted-by-the-already-rococo-60s."

    http://yesterdaysperfume.typepad.com...prez-1962.html
    Another two good ones !
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    I would say Habanita by Molinard. It just seems seductive. But if one is well versed in the arts of seduction and knows men well, one could dab maple sirop behind the ears and have a love slave for life.
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    I was thinking about Guerlain and Caron scents and why Guerlain is for cocottes ....
    When I think of Caron's En Avion and Tabac Blond- to me these are great sexy scents but they represent strong independent women to me, like Marlene Dietrich etc.
    Guerlain's scents are more obviously sexy with their earthy undertones ,their advertising etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Redneck, I think the mistress in question would not give a hoot for marrying her lover, nor what his wife thought of her...the courtesan in the 19th century sense, then again our responses on the word "mistress" are touched with perception...such as modern athletes and the media! ...
    *hysterical laughter*

    I'm sorry, but you're most correct. Mistress means different things today just between cultures (e.g., my wife's and my own) - more so between centuries. Funny, but painful.

    Thus, setting aside family diner waitresses, desperate housewives, home-wreckers, late-life soul-mates, trophies, and other modernities, I have to go with what you say...

    I am thinking that such perfume should have an oh-la-la allure with londonienne/parisienne appeal. Ylang-ylang, jasmine, rose, muguet--are some notes that come to mind.
    Funny, but in re-reading this, my first thought among modern things I'm familiar with (since I pay attention mostly to recent feminines) is YSL Parisienne. I'm not sure I like it, but I think if you sent that back in time, it might actually work. Paris, perhaps, as well, but YSL Parisienne has a certain ambiguity and youth to it that seems appropriate.

    Of course, you never know what happens when new tech meets old culture. Imagine, with horror, a cargo cult of Angel and Joop! spreading through dandy culture.
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    I think a mistress worth her salt would wear the finest and costliest stuff available...her lover buys her extravagant gifts; it's his pleasure to dos so.

    MDCI Enlivement Au Serail or Le Rivage des Syrtes
    Amouage Ubar
    PdN Odalisque (This stuff screams woman in charge of her sexuality!)
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    See now... I would go with BNo9 Chinatown. Gritty, sexy, buttery, spicy... and sticks around a long time because it knows how to.

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    I can picture her wearing- whatever kind of mistress she might be- one of the following:

    Hypnotic Poison by Dior
    ultra-classic Je Reveins by Worth
    Guerlain's Jicky
    For royal/imperial mistress (or mistresses of some newly-rich tycoon with faux Old-School pretensions and flamboyant, yet often anti-historical, aristocratic descendant claims): Iris Nobile by ADP
    I also think that almost the entire Incense series by CDG, while marketed as unisex, is actually destined to represent the almost metaphysical image of flawless female beauty (every male's dream is made of)
    Diva by Emanuel Ungaro
    Magie Noire- maybe, a mistress with a slight passion (very popular during the Ages of Enlightenment, but also during the dandified Decadentist movement over a century later, even if this frags is just a 20th century creation, it would have most likely been a bestseller during these two previous historical periods) for the occult and also for an esoteric, karmic power-play over the men in her life
    Dior's Dolce Vita or Roma by Laura Biagiotti might work, if your mistress is a statuesque Mediterranean beauty with ancestors including some popes, some rich Florentine or Venetian Bankers, nearly half of the fashionable dwellers of Via Condotti and with good connections in "This thing of ours"
    Organza Indecence by Givenchy
    Jasmin Noir by Bulgari

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hillaire View Post
    I think a mistress worth her salt would wear the finest and costliest stuff available...her lover buys her extravagant gifts; it's his pleasure to dos so.

    MDCI Enlivement Au Serail or Le Rivage des Syrtes
    Amouage Ubar
    PdN Odalisque (This stuff screams woman in charge of her sexuality!)
    Is it wrong that I want to try Enlevement au Serail more than ever now

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Russell View Post
    I can picture her wearing- whatever kind of mistress she might be- one of the following:

    Diva by Emanuel Ungaro
    Ken_Russell your post was so eloquent and beautifully put. HUGE 2nd for Diva! How could I forget her? *hugs bottle*

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    Re: Jasper Conran Mistress - it has nothing to do with courtesan-like scent, it is a pleasant citrus scent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    *hysterical laughter*

    I'm sorry, but you're most correct. Mistress means different things today just between cultures (e.g., my wife's and my own) - more so between centuries. Funny, but painful.

    Thus, setting aside family diner waitresses, desperate housewives, home-wreckers, late-life soul-mates, trophies, and other modernities, I have to go with what you say...
    Redneck, the mistress at the start of this thread went from one lover (lovers?) to another without skipping a beat. This is not just some nameless chorus girl or backstage pick-up intended for a a singular tryst in an alcove under the stage. This woman would know her worth and desirability--and be financially independent, not living off her lover as a "kept woman." (I think of the term "lorette," or a lower-class mistress.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken_Russell View Post
    I can picture her wearing- whatever kind of mistress she might be- one of the following:

    Hypnotic Poison by Dior
    ultra-classic Je Reveins by Worth
    Guerlain's Jicky
    For royal/imperial mistress (or mistresses of some newly-rich tycoon with faux Old-School pretensions and flamboyant, yet often anti-historical, aristocratic descendant claims): Iris Nobile by ADP
    I also think that almost the entire Incense series by CDG, while marketed as unisex, is actually destined to represent the almost metaphysical image of flawless female beauty (every male's dream is made of)
    Diva by Emanuel Ungaro
    Magie Noire- maybe, a mistress with a slight passion (very popular during the Ages of Enlightenment, but also during the dandified Decadentist movement over a century later, even if this frags is just a 20th century creation, it would have most likely been a bestseller during these two previous historical periods) for the occult and also for an esoteric, karmic power-play over the men in her life
    Dior's Dolce Vita or Roma by Laura Biagiotti might work, if your mistress is a statuesque Mediterranean beauty with ancestors including some popes, some rich Florentine or Venetian Bankers, nearly half of the fashionable dwellers of Via Condotti and with good connections in "This thing of ours"
    Organza Indecence by Givenchy
    Jasmin Noir by Bulgari
    Ken, thank you for the great description of your reasoning! As for royal mistresses, I think I mentioned the Comtesse d'Orsay was the mistress of a prince. Parfums D'Orsay released a scent in the 1930s called "Comtesse d'Orsay," and I thought it odd because her marriage was unhappy, and she and her sexy man-about-town husband both had very public adulterous affairs. One wonders: is the "royal mistress" theme what the marketing was after, or did they just name the scent without even looking at history/biography?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post
    Is it wrong that I want to try Enlevement au Serail more than ever now

    Ken_Russell your post was so eloquent and beautifully put. HUGE 2nd for Diva! How could I forget her? *hugs bottle*
    3xasif, thank you for the scent notes. I am truly intrigued now! "Enlevement au Serail" just has a sexy oriental name: abduction, seduction and things of the hareem...or shades of the Mozart opera...

    And Mysticknot and Brielle, thank you for the suggestions and explanations. I would like to try Habanita some day. (I think of Carmen's "habanera" in the eponymous opera; gypsy women were considered sexy in the mid-1800s. They appear everywhere...)

    Alicka61, odd that the scent of Mistress does not match the name. I can't see something very airy and citrusy being the expected scent of a mistress.
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    Yes, it's funny but I had a bottle of Mistress and the scent really doesn't correspond to the name meaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warlandsboy View Post
    +1 Shalimar.
    Shalimar the first time i smelled it, i did a complete 180. only two other perfumes have done that to me and i made the mistake of not asking what one was. the other was Angel

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    Fabulous thread. Shalimar, BaV, and Diva are all excellent choices, but how about a Chopard, Bvlgari, Cartier, or Tiffany scent to go with all the lavish jewels bestowed upon the secret lover. Maybe Casmir or Le Baiser du Dragon. I also think the pillowy marshmallowness of Lalique Le Parfum would be a mistress comfort/seduction scent. L'Air du Desert Marocain also springs to mind just for exotic flair and its unisex mystery.

    A dandy's mistress would wear something like Cabochard, Bandit, or even Antaeus (or borrow his Cuir de Russie or Jolie Madame).
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    "gypsy women were considered sexy in the mid-1800s"- and not only

    Sorry for bumping this thread again and for getting off topic, but this is true and this fad may have go on, well into the 1900s, because men from all walks of life seemed to favor gypsy women- from Rasputin, who was anything but a dandy, but at least as equally womanizing, as most famous dandies and libertines from the past, who was often seen in the company of gypsy escorts, to royal dandy
    Charles II., king of Romania from 1930 to 1940, who's highly public love affairs were the subject of the tabloid press of his age and who is known to have had gypsy mistresses. Well, if history is not cyclic and quite repetitive.
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    I'm not sure a mistress would wear anything different than any other independent woman
    who knows "her worth and desirability," or any other woman, period.
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    In the movie "Same Time Next Year," Ellen Burstyn wears My Sin. Tongue in cheek and pretty sexy to boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antaeusintheair View Post
    Fabulous thread. Shalimar, BaV, and Diva are all excellent choices, but how about a Chopard, Bvlgari, Cartier, or Tiffany scent to go with all the lavish jewels bestowed upon the secret lover. Maybe Casmir or Le Baiser du Dragon. I also think the pillowy marshmallowness of Lalique Le Parfum would be a mistress comfort/seduction scent. L'Air du Desert Marocain also springs to mind just for exotic flair and its unisex mystery.

    A dandy's mistress would wear something like Cabochard, Bandit, or even Antaeus (or borrow his Cuir de Russie or Jolie Madame).
    Oh yes ...great suggestions. I want to smell like a mistress !!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antaeusintheair View Post
    Fabulous thread. Shalimar, BaV, and Diva are all excellent choices, but how about a Chopard, Bvlgari, Cartier, or Tiffany scent to go with all the lavish jewels bestowed upon the secret lover. Maybe Casmir or Le Baiser du Dragon. I also think the pillowy marshmallowness of Lalique Le Parfum would be a mistress comfort/seduction scent. L'Air du Desert Marocain also springs to mind just for exotic flair and its unisex mystery.

    A dandy's mistress would wear something like Cabochard, Bandit, or even Antaeus (or borrow his Cuir de Russie or Jolie Madame).
    I LOVE the jewellery scents, Antaeus! But of course! I am sure those dandies showered their mistresses with fabulous jewels or even the jewels of their grandmothers.

    BTW, Coco Chanel, the great courtesan-turned-couturiere, literally wore her lovers' clothes right out of their closets!

    Another scent that I had not thought of: Parure by none other than Guerlain!! What courtesan would not be without her diamond necklace, ring, earrings and tiara studded with bouchons de carafes (nickname for gems like crystal wine carafe stoppers) displayed on her body?

    I am sure many a besotted dandy found himself compelled to give away the parure that had been in his family for generations!

    Quote Originally Posted by mysticknot View Post
    Oh yes ...great suggestions. I want to smell like a mistress !!!!!

    Now I am lemming Diva 3xasif , Vlad !
    I am also looking to wear my "mistress-y" scents...
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    Quote Originally Posted by tang View Post
    I'm not sure a mistress would wear anything different than any other independent woman
    who knows "her worth and desirability," or any other woman, period.
    This, it's not like being a ' Mistress' is a fulltime occupation or anything :/ I think the concept is pretty old fashioned and the stereotype to me is the same sort as the perfume for 'old ladies' kind
    But once you get locked into a serious perfume collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can.

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    I'm not sure a mistress would wear anything different than any other independent woman
    who knows "her worth and desirability," or any other woman, period.
    200 odd years ago, "independent woman" was as bizarre a concept as "Mistress to a Dandy" is today. It's all just in good fun

    Quote Originally Posted by Lian View Post
    This, it's not like being a ' Mistress' is a fulltime occupation or anything :/ I think the concept is pretty old fashioned and the stereotype to me is the same sort as the perfume for 'old ladies' kind
    I'm pretty sure this is just a fun, fantastical idea akin to scenting a character in a book. I had the etching of Fanny Ellsler (who was a "Mistress" in 1834...just sayin') in mind with regards to my suggestions.

    More conceptual than actual, no? And yes, absolutely & wonderfully "old fashioned"!

    I'm sure no one thinks that we are scenting a marginalized kept woman, or suggesting that independent modern women turn back the clocks and find a married man to look after them in exchange for sex. Way to burst the bubble, guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post
    200 odd years ago, "independent woman" was as bizarre a concept as "Mistress to a Dandy" is today. It's all just in good fun

    I'm pretty sure this is just a fun, fantastical idea akin to scenting a character in a book. I had the etching of Fanny Ellsler (who was a "Mistress" in 1834...just sayin') in mind with regards to my suggestions.

    More conceptual than actual, no? And yes, absolutely & wonderfully "old fashioned"!

    I'm sure no one thinks that we are scenting a marginalized kept woman, or suggesting that independent modern women turn back the clocks and find a married man to look after them in exchange for sex. Way to burst the bubble, guys
    Thank you, and, yes, 3xasif, this is all in good fun--as in a character in a book. "What type of perfume would Madame Bovary wear? Or Daisy Buchanan in 'The Great Gatsby,' etc." There were similar threads on the men's forum on various scents for "dandies" and "rakes." Dandies and rakes are things of the past, but their spirits live on in many ways...in men's clothing, fragrance and lifestyle. (Sean Combs, AKA Diddy, is considered by some to be a modern equivalent, and even has his own fragrances!)

    We are not talking about simple adultresses, hoping their lovers will divorce their wives and marry them in turn. Perhaps I should have said "courtesan" instead from the first post...women who were "professional" mistresses.

    Many of these were stage women (dancers, actresses and opera singers) and had wealthy, aristocratic lovers--sometimes more than one at a time. The young courtesan Marie du Plessis (who was not a stage woman), was called the "lady of the camellias." Her life was the basis for a book, which became the famous opera "La Traviata," the films "Camille" (with the great Garbo), "Pretty Woman" (with Julia Roberts) and "Moulin Rouge" (with Nicole Kidman). In the novel, the young courtesan gives up all her weathy lovers for the pure love of one young man who adores her. In actuality, in 1840 or so, this real-life young man was named Agenor, the young Duc de Guiche, who later became the Duc de Gramont and Prince de Bidache. Sadly, the family forces the lovers apart and the woman dies of tuberculosis. The young man was none other than the godson and nephew...of the Comte d'Orsay! Why do you think the young tenor lover in "La Traviata" is named Alfredo Germont (after his dandy uncle Alfred), and his baritone father named Giorgio Germont? Too close, eh?

    Perhaps the concept of the mistress, as Redneck earlier pointed out in post #18, is such a different concept in modern times, so some people get offended...as the public is outraged at pro athletes' strings of secret mistresses betrayed by phone calls.

    We need to keep in mind that the professional "mistresses" of bygone times were fashion and public idols, not your average streetwalker or a woman-on-the-side. The tabloids then (much like in the tabloid papers and television) followed their every change of dress and hairstyle, keeping tabs on their public appearances and who was escorting them on the arm or in carriages.

    In the sense of "mistress," I imagine the perfume she would wear as a courtesan would be immensely deep, sensual and rare, something that would turn people's heads...just as people would leave buildings to run outside to see these famous beauties pass. (I still have yet to try Worth's Courtesan, which is discontinued. I understand that it is an oriental.)

    And, yes, again, 3xasif, these women called their own shots! Fanny retired very comfortably when she was about 40, caring for a son and a daughter from her famous liaisons; she never married.

    In some cases, these women became noblewomen when their lovers married them, much to the dismay of the man's family, to be sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post
    200 odd years ago, "independent woman" was as bizarre a concept as "Mistress to a Dandy" is today. It's all just in good fun

    I'm pretty sure this is just a fun, fantastical idea akin to scenting a character in a book. I had the etching of Fanny Ellsler (who was a "Mistress" in 1834...just sayin') in mind with regards to my suggestions.

    More conceptual than actual, no? And yes, absolutely & wonderfully "old fashioned"!

    I'm sure no one thinks that we are scenting a marginalized kept woman, or suggesting that independent modern women turn back the clocks and find a married man to look after them in exchange for sex. Way to burst the bubble, guys
    I'm sorry that my honest response to the question was labeled bubble-bursting, but my puzzlement here was simple & genuine. Allure has historically been part of the luxury of perfume-wearing for most women, and in my mind, a mistress wouldn't wear anything different than any other contemporary at any other point in history.
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    I am not sure what the modern definition of a mistress would be. We all live lives that largely respond to circumstance, choices made out of desperation to live scenarios of life dictated by culture. Decisions made largely out of response to the limitations of our experiences write checks not fully funded by the real needs of our hearts. The need of fulfillment in love, later understood, tears a the fabric of what society considers appropriate. Think not what others say, follow your heart and live through love. So, being the hopeless Romantic I will choose Nahema, the rose out of the garden of love.
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    My idealistic image of a mistress would wear;

    - Agent Provocateur by Agent Provocateur
    - Quel Amour! by Annick Goutal
    - Sicily by Dolce & Gabbana
    - 212 Sexy by Carolina Herrera

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    Oh guys, this is all in good fun- I am enjoying it- it's kind of romantic to think of by gone eras and mistresses, paramours etc. I always learn something new for myself too with these threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    Thank you, and, yes, 3xasif, this is all in good fun--as in a character in a book. "What type of perfume would Madame Bovary wear? Or Daisy Buchanan in 'The Great Gatsby,' etc." There were similar threads on the men's forum on various scents for "dandies" and "rakes." Dandies and rakes are things of the past, but their spirits live on in many ways...in men's clothing, fragrance and lifestyle. (Sean Combs, AKA Diddy, is considered by some to be a modern equivalent, and even has his own fragrances!)
    Madame Bovary? Love in White. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alicka61 View Post
    Re: Jasper Conran Mistress - it has nothing to do with courtesan-like scent, it is a pleasant citrus scent.
    Hello, bottle! (Waving...)

    I was going to suggest AP Original, Bvlgari Jasmin Noir (if we allow modern scents), and agree with Bal A Versailles for a more classic vibe.
    "So many scents, so little skin"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tang View Post
    I'm sorry that my honest response to the question was labeled bubble-bursting, but my puzzlement here was simple & genuine. Allure has historically been part of the luxury of perfume-wearing for most women, and in my mind, a mistress wouldn't wear anything different than any other contemporary at any other point in history.
    Oh dear, I'm sorry to have misinterpreted your question.

    I would think that a woman of the early 1800s daring enough to embark on a career of her own, and, to engage in an affair with a married man would be very different from a woman of the same age who was married and staying home with her children, most likely embroidering or painting watercolours, and would in all likelihood choose a different style of dress, adornment and perfume. Not all, for sure, but certainly the Mistress we're discussing here- the Coquette, if you will.

    Well, maybe (or, maybe I'd like to think!) a "Mistress" around the early 1800s (again, the era I had in mind at any rate...) might actually feel more liberated and free to express her femininity and sensuality than a woman in a more conservative and traditional environment. If they felt free enough from the constraints of society to not be married (weren't they old maids by 20 if they weren't married?) and to pursue a "career" in theater or somesuch- they actually were liberated, in one way anyways.

    Perhaps women involved in the Arts in general would feel that same type of liberation and freedom of personal expression- not only the Mistresses. Perfume was not common and was not worn by all. I'm sure there were some, at that time in history, who felt it was too flashy and flamboyant and would stick to dabbing violet water behind their ears, and that a rich sillage laden perfume was only for loose women lol ( or the boring man vs the Dandy )

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    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    I am not sure what the modern definition of a mistress would be. We all live lives that largely respond to circumstance, choices made out of desperation to live scenarios of life dictated by culture. Decisions made largely out of response to the limitations of our experiences write checks not fully funded by the real needs of our hearts. The need of fulfillment in love, later understood, tears a the fabric of what society considers appropriate. Think not what others say, follow your heart and live through love. So, being the hopeless Romantic I will choose Nahema, the rose out of the garden of love.
    Yes, Nick, that is a very romantic response! The rose is a symbol of love. A woman who is a courtesan is a grande courtesan and all the money and jewels that entails, but the woman who lives for love alone is the grande amoureuse (the great love).

    Quote Originally Posted by 3xasif View Post
    Oh dear, I'm sorry to have misinterpreted your question.

    I would think that a woman of the early 1800s daring enough to embark on a career of her own, and, to engage in an affair with a married man would be very different from a woman of the same age who was married and staying home with her children, most likely embroidering or painting watercolours, and would in all likelihood choose a different style of dress, adornment and perfume. Not all, for sure, but certainly the Mistress we're discussing here- the Coquette, if you will.

    Well, maybe (or, maybe I'd like to think!) a "Mistress" around the early 1800s (again, the era I had in mind at any rate...) might actually feel more liberated and free to express her femininity and sensuality than a woman in a more conservative and traditional environment. If they felt free enough from the constraints of society to not be married (weren't they old maids by 20 if they weren't married?) and to pursue a "career" in theater or somesuch- they actually were liberated, in one way anyways.

    Perhaps women involved in the Arts in general would feel that same type of liberation and freedom of personal expression- not only the Mistresses. Perfume was not common and was not worn by all. I'm sure there were some, at that time in history, who felt it was too flashy and flamboyant and would stick to dabbing violet water behind their ears, and that a rich sillage laden perfume was only for loose women lol ( or the boring man vs the Dandy )
    3xasif, I agree! A woman unafraid to forge her own path would wear a perfume unlike that of other women...head-turning. She would turn heads and provoke desire in men without apology.

    Yes, you are right about marrying young--or even having love affairs. I think Marie du Plessis was 17 when she had her affair with Agenor--who was all of 19 or so. Ah, young love!

    OTOH, the Comte at 26 married his bride of 15. His sister, at 16, married her husband of 29.

    The most beautiful woman in 19th century Europe, Elizabeth, the Empress of Austria, married at 16. She was breath-taking!

    http://entertainment.webshots.com/ph...01748121iviGef
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    The most beautiful woman in 19th century Europe, Elizabeth, the Empress of Austria, married at 16. She was breath-taking!

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    Primrose- look at that hair !
    She was so so beautiful .
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    Quote Originally Posted by mysticknot View Post
    Primrose- look at that hair !
    She was so so beautiful .
    Wasn't she? And the dress, wow. Ladies in waiting would have come in handy with dressing and hairstyling!

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    Yes, the Empress Elizabeth was so very beautiful, but she became obsessed with her beauty and feared aging. She almost became neurotic about it. After she was stabbed and assassinated by an anarchist, an autopsy revealed she suffered from starvation edema--she was an anorexic!

    Didn't she have a perfume made supposedly by Creed? I know all kinds of claims come from old perfume houses and even "faux" perfume houses. I see some scents named after Empress Eugenie (wife of Napoleon III) and also Empress Josephine (wife of Napoleon I), who were beauty icons of the day.

    Elizabeth (or "Sisi," as she was known) had the *tiniest* waist imaginable and was an active rider and hiker. (She was self-conscious, I understand, about her large feet--in an age when tiny feet were desirable.)

    Here is a nice "chart" on courtesans v. common prostitutes of the 19th century. Technically, a prostitute is a "professional mistress" of sorts--even if only for an hour.

    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/rsc...s/reasons.html

    The courtesan defined. I should have posted this in my first post:

    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/courses/rsc...-courtesan.htm

    You should see the chart showing that one reason women turned to prostitution or courtesanry was being a servant and seduced by a master, and then dismissed!

    This seems to be a fansite for Elizabeth, but it shows how beautiful she was with that long hair and serene face.

    http://www.angelfire.com/ma/mayerling/sisibio.html
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    To be honest, When I think of dandy's mistress...Ungaro definitely comes to mind...Decadent and Chided Of Angelic Accords. This bad boy was definitely stolen from the chief commissioners wardrobe. She surges an indolic vibe which lead her to take this edwardian philtre.

    She identifies it's civet beginning, acknowledging it to the fullest she then realizes why the ceded owner of Ungaro hid it in such a scarce vicinity. A fervor with magnanimous potency. Indeed her first choice!

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    I'll submit Cadolle No. 9, a luscious woody oriental from the inventor of the brassiere:

    Top Note: jasmine, rose, ylang-ylang, lily, carnation, orange, tangerine, softly floral
    Heart Note: red cedar, sandalwood and rosewood, very woody
    Base Note: siamese benzoin, indian sandalwood, virginian cedar, patchouli, very musky

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    The obvous one is Agent Provacatuer followed closely by . L'Heure Bleu, Shalimar.

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    Mistress in Ancient Greece were intelligent,cultured women who took part in social life and men discussion when other women and wives couldn't.
    The most fabulous and known was Aspasia mistress of Pericleous.What would have she wore?The most expensive ,superior and floral scent and non a deep ,woody and "dark" scent,that is my opinion.Something like Amouage Gold or Fracas or anything with distinct and fine white floral aroma.

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    Mistresses in Ancient Greece were intelligent,cultured women who took part in social life and men discussion when other women and wives couldn't.
    The most fabulous and known was Aspasia mistress of Pericleous.What would have she wore?The most expensive ,superior and floral scent and non a deep ,woody and "dark" scent,that is my opinion.Something like Amouage Gold or Fracas or anything with distinct and fine white floral aroma.
    As for Dandy's mistress ,she would go for the same cause as all we know -opposite attracts-why not the same in this case?This would make a perfect example,ha,ha,ha!
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    If a dandy companion, I would suggest Marilyn Miglin Pheromone.

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    In my opinion, a dandy would be an utterly superficial, self -centered person, obsessed with his personal appearance and probably his mistress's appearance too. A woman whose main qualification is being his mistress would probably wear something relatively loud, expensive that claims to tell a story, rather exclusive but at the same time recognizable in her circle. I don't know ...maybe Creed's Love in Black? But of course, not all dandys' mistresses would have to be stereotypical.

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    I would agree that the dandy's mistress would wear something expensive, as showing off on his arm in the fine perfume and clothes her bought her would be one of his reasons for having her as a kept woman.

    And he might even appropriate a dab of her perfume for himself from time to time...
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    I can imagine a character played by Greta Garbo in some tragic love story -in which case it would be some Caron that I have yet to smell, although I believe she was a Balmain fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primrose View Post
    I would agree that the dandy's mistress would wear something expensive, as showing off on his arm in the fine perfume and clothes her bought her would be one of his reasons for having her as a kept woman.

    And he might even appropriate a dab of her perfume for himself from time to time...
    Then ,in that case i should recall my previous proposal and say what about TABU by Dana?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sean-dt View Post
    I can imagine a character played by Greta Garbo in some tragic love story -in which case it would be some Caron that I have yet to smell, although I believe she was a Balmain fan.
    The great Garbo played the courtesan Marguerite with Robert Taylor playing her lover Armand in the film "Camille," based on a book by Alexandre Dumas the Younger called, "The Lady of the Camellias." This was a movie made after the true story (like the opera "La Traviata") of Agenor, the young Duke de Guiche (real-life nephew of the Comte d'Orsay), and the courtesan Marie du Plessis, which is mentioned earlier in the thread.

    In light of the film being made in the 1930s, perhaps the character Marguerite's perfume would indeed by something by D'Orsay!

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028683/plotsummary
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    fracas !
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