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    Default Modern machismo.

    I don’t know if it’s because I grew up during the 1980s and my Dad wore scents such as Lagerfeld Original and Drakkar Noir, thus creating my sense of “what a man should smell like”, but I find myself drawn to what are often described as “macho” scents.

    This has lead me to discover the delights of Azzaro pour Homme, Tuscany and the rather more off the wall Yatagan. I realise that these sorts of scents can evoke in some people images of lounge lizards with medallions, receding hairlines and pony tails, but personally I’d far rather smell of mossy wood or dark smokey spices than of aquatic candied fruit or the synthetic vanilla and cinnamon that seems to dominate so many mid-market designer fragrances now.

    One problem, however, is that because many of these “classic” fragrances were created in the late 70s/ early 80s, they ain’t always all that subtle! That can be part of their charm, and reducing the number of sprays helps, but sometimes these powerbombs are just a bit too much for daily office wear.

    I would therefore really appreciate some recommendations of modern alternatives to these macho favourites. I’ve got Rive Gauche pour Homme and like it, but is there anything else out there? Fragrances which are descended from the beautiful brutes of 30 years ago but which are wearing sharper, more elegantly cut suits and speaking at a slightly lower volume.

    I’m not altogether ruling out fragrances from the more distant past, but for the sake of this discussion, I’d like to focus on scents from the last 10-12 years or so.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Mordern Machismo almost sounds like an oxymoron with what we have nowadays. Even room-clearing frags like A*Men and Le Male do not score too high on the machismo scale, IMO.

    Polo Modern Reserve?
    Amouage Epic Man (definitely)
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    Sample Versace L'Homme. It's technically a power scent from the 80s I guess, but I think it's fairly refined and wearable now.
    Not as overwhelming as some of the classic 80s powerhouses if used carefully. It is very unlike anything else from Versace.

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    Love my macho powerhouses (Antaeus, Quorum, M7, Z-14, Yatagan, Zino, etc.) and I was thinking Polo Modern Reserve as well. It is a bit more, well, reserved. Other manly but refined designer scents good for everyday wear without stinking up the joint (though that doesn't bother me) imo: Burberry London, Guerlain Heritage, Michael for Men, and even Gucci PH. Some of these might even be too close to the power frags from which they descend.
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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Besides Polo Modern Reserve I suggest:

    Narciso Rodriguez for him
    Tom Ford Italian Cypress
    Jil Sander Scent 79

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    Rochas Lui
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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    ^Rochas Lui, definitely. Modern masculine.

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    Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver. It takes the classic concept of Guerlain Vetiver and interprets it for the modern man. Allows you to feel classic without sharing the same scent associations of men from the past 50 years. Tom Ford's best fragrance yet IMO.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    I agree with Robrobur, check out Narciso Rodriguez for Him.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    Rochas Lui
    Halston Man
    +2 for Rochas Lui - this has gravitas!
    ointments and perfume delight the heart....

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Santos de Cartier
    Esencia Loewe
    marginally even Bois du Portugal
    Francesco Smalto PH (smells like a more herbal -spicy, but still very potent version of Drakkar Noir)

    although both coming from the 80's, they are a slightly more modern take on macho powerhouse

    Versace Black Jeans and Ungaro III, both from the 90s, are slightly more experimental, off-beat, creative takes on the machismo frag pattern
    Last edited by Ken_Russell; 10th February 2010 at 05:39 PM.

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    Acqua di Parma Colonia Intensa
    Bulgari Aqua pour Homme
    Eau Sauvage Fraîcheur Cuir
    Encre Noire
    Fahrenheit Absolute
    Ferrari Uomo
    L'Eau Bleue D'Issey pour Homme
    Gucci pour Homme
    Vetyver by L'Occitane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock_With_Scents View Post
    Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver. It takes the classic concept of Guerlain Vetiver and interprets it for the modern man. Allows you to feel classic without sharing the same scent associations of men from the past 50 years. Tom Ford's best fragrance yet IMO.
    'Don't think so. The TF-V is far from Guerlains because of the simple fact that TF-V contains large amounts of Iso E Super. The latter aroma chemical constitutes a very different "wear" of a scent. An analogy would be to wear a polyester microfibre T-shirt (Guerlain) compared to a wet suit (Iso E Super in general). I personally prefer two-ply cotton, though.

    I think today no specific style of scent is connected to machismo in western culture (advertisment).

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    Tom Ford Tuscan Leather
    Tom Ford Italian Cypress
    Amouage Epic Man
    Gucci pour homme
    and you could really like Eloge du traitre
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    Yes, I think so merry.waters.
    IMO Guerlain smells old. Grey Vetiver smells new and modern. If it is the ISO E Super so be it. I take my vintage in cars, and watches...not in fragrance
    Last edited by Jock_With_Scents; 10th February 2010 at 07:53 PM.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antaeusintheair View Post
    Love my macho powerhouses (Antaeus, Quorum, M7, Z-14, Yatagan, Zino, etc.) and I was thinking Polo Modern Reserve as well. It is a bit more, well, reserved. Other manly but refined designer scents good for everyday wear without stinking up the joint (though that doesn't bother me) imo: Burberry London, Guerlain Heritage, Michael for Men, and even Gucci PH. Some of these might even be too close to the power frags from which they descend.
    I wholeheartedly agree with all of these suggestions. I would also hook your nose near Czech & Speake's Oxford & Cambridge - by the time you get to work, you'll be left with a lightly minted oakmoss which you might enjoy on warmer days.

    Largo, I have a partial bottle of Polo Modern Reserve you can have for nothing, seeing as you're just above the border. If you want it, PM me your address and i'll shove it in the post.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jock_With_Scents View Post
    Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver. It takes the classic concept of Guerlain Vetiver and interprets it for the modern man. Allows you to feel classic without sharing the same scent associations of men from the past 50 years. Tom Ford's best fragrance yet IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by merry.waters View Post
    'Don't think so. The TF-V is far from Guerlains because of the simple fact that TF-V contains large amounts of Iso E Super. The latter aroma chemical constitutes a very different "wear" of a scent. An analogy would be to wear a polyester microfibre T-shirt (Guerlain) compared to a wet suit (Iso E Super in general). I personally prefer two-ply cotton, though.

    I think today no specific style of scent is connected to machismo in western culture (advertisment).
    When I smelled Tom Ford Grey Vetiver, my initial thought was "Wow - Guerlain Vetiver minus the tobacco note". But maybe I have been sniffing too much Iso E Super and it has damaged my sense of smell.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    When I smelled Tom Ford Grey Vetiver, my initial thought was "Wow - Guerlain Vetiver minus the tobacco note". But maybe I have been sniffing too much Iso E Super and it has damaged my sense of smell.......
    If "modern" means to You wearing a wet suit instead of cotton underwear, be it. In that case I would suggest Terre D'Hermes anyway. Nothing is more "macho" than a perfume that works on pure imagination and sells itself as knowledgeable transparent multifaceted. "Macho" and Terre D'Hermes may have a lot in common, no?

    If "machismo" means to You being rude, Tom Ford Grey Vetiver is in its own besides the strange Iso stuff not to much different to many other vetivers I know. If You want to radiate a disgusting appeal, flat-headed, brief and nevertheless utterly self confident and it is Tom Ford for unquestionable reasons, take Black Orchid into consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merry.waters View Post
    If "modern" means to You wearing a wet suit instead of cotton underwear, be it. In that case I would suggest Terre D'Hermes anyway. Nothing is more "macho" than a perfume that works on pure imagination and sells itself as knowledgeable transparent multifaceted. "Macho" and Terre D'Hermes may have a lot in common, no?

    If "machismo" means to You being rude, Tom Ford Grey Vetiver is in its own besides the strange Iso stuff not to much different to many other vetivers I know. If You want to radiate a disgusting appeal, flat-headed, brief and nevertheless utterly self confident and it is Tom Ford for unquestionable reasons, take Black Orchid into consideration.
    Calm down Mary! uh...I mean merry.
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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by merry.waters View Post
    If "modern" means to You wearing a wet suit instead of cotton underwear, be it. In that case I would suggest Terre D'Hermes anyway. Nothing is more "macho" than a perfume that works on pure imagination and sells itself as knowledgeable transparent multifaceted. "Macho" and Terre D'Hermes may have a lot in common, no?

    If "machismo" means to You being rude, Tom Ford Grey Vetiver is in its own besides the strange Iso stuff not to much different to many other vetivers I know. If You want to radiate a disgusting appeal, flat-headed, brief and nevertheless utterly self confident and it is Tom Ford for unquestionable reasons, take Black Orchid into consideration.
    I like Terre d'Hermes and Black Orchid, but only when I am wearing my neoprene thong.
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    I really like Polo Modern Reserve.
    Narcisco Rodriguez is another nice one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    I like Terre d'Hermes and Black Orchid, but only when I am wearing my neoprene thong.
    So, define "modern", define "machismo" regarding the initial post. I did, and gave answers accordingly. I've omitted a certain olfactory aspect that changed meanwhile, looking back on the eighties: rubber, read condom.

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    With all due respect...the OP asked for recommendations based on his description. We are hijacking this wonderful thread by questioning one poster's recommendations and driving off into never never land.
    If you disagree with Grey Vetiver as a recommendation, start a new thread and discuss it, but let us give this person the recommendations he /she deserves please.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by merry.waters View Post
    So, define "modern", define "machismo" regarding the initial post. I did, and gave answers accordingly. I've omitted a certain olfactory aspect that changed meanwhile, looking back on the eighties: rubber, read condom.

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    I did answer the OP's question - which I believe was to name some fragrances produced in the last 10-12 years that you consider to be "modern machismo".
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    Fahrenheit is machismo bottled. So is Varvatos Vintage.

    Last edited by Spray; 12th February 2010 at 05:55 AM.

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    I think today's machismo would be in the heavy woodiness of Gucci PH and CdG 2 Man. Also in Le Male for its extreme popularity and the social expectation that that's the best thing a real man can smell of that drives that purchasing.
    That girl, that bottle, that mattress and me.

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Wow, that's an excellent question the OP had. I've been grinding my brain for like ten minutes trying to think of a macho, strong scent released in the past few years, and I can't think of any. That is not to say there aren't lots of good scents that are recently released, but "macho"? Damn, that's tough.

    I definitely think YSL Rive Gauche is ultra masculine, but the OP already owns that...

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    Thanks for the recommendations, everybody. JDE, I've PM'd you in response to your kind offer re. Polo Modern Reserve. It's reassuring to see a few other fragrances reoccuring throughout the posts as well. I'll have to check out Rochas Lui, although I'm a little dubious about the vanilla in the drydown. I'm not a huge fan of vanilla and don't want to end up smelling like freshly baked cakes. Is that a risk?

    Merry, I think you're suggesting that real masculinity lies in being secure and comfortable with oneself as a man regardless of whether one fits into any of the many male stereotypes of modern society. I think you're correct but I'm afraid I wasn't being nearly as sophisticated as you have been. By "macho", I simply mean fragrances that have something in common with the mossy, woody frags that were popular 30 or so years ago. For the essence of masculinity, however, search YouTube for the Charles Bronson "Mandom" ads. Happy, simpler times... ;-)

    I suppose my real question is why these fougere and chypre scents have fallen out of favour so much when they smell so good! Sure, fashions change, but we're already living through something of an 80s revival in clothes and music so why are the kids wearing Diesel's Only the Brave?

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    Default Re: Modern machismo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Largo View Post
    I think you're correct but I'm afraid I wasn't being nearly as sophisticated as you have been. By "macho", I simply mean fragrances that have something in common with the mossy, woody frags that were popular 30 or so years ago.
    Maybe more "rugged" than "macho"? They haven't been replaced by more modern versions because tastes changed. Not many guys want a softer, kinder version of Grey Flannel or Quorum - violet/tonka and rose/carnation accords scare them enough as it is.


    Quote Originally Posted by Largo View Post
    I suppose my real question is why these fougere and chypre scents have fallen out of favour so much when they smell so good!
    The fougeres have been swamped by Cool Water clones, and IFRA wants classic chypres off the market.

    Some scents to consider, across the years

    profumo.it - Oak Moss

    Yatagan (1976 ?) It may have been reformulated, as the EdT I have isn't the beast that TPC sent. If so, the reformation is exactly what you are asking for.

    Knize Ten (1924) So retro it's almost avant-garde.

    Knize Forest - sits at the green junction of fougere and chypre. It's not very macho or rugged until you try comparing it to something else.

    Comme des Garçons - 2 Man, Sequoia, Vettiveru, the entire Incense Series

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jock_With_Scents View Post
    Tom Ford - Grey Vetiver. It takes the classic concept of Guerlain Vetiver and interprets it for the modern man. Allows you to feel classic without sharing the same scent associations of men from the past 50 years. Tom Ford's best fragrance yet IMO.
    He hit a home run with this one IMO.

    I think Bois d'Orage is very masculine.. at least on me.
    Last edited by mrclmind; 11th February 2010 at 04:43 PM.

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