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    What are your favourite scents with ISO E Super?
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    As I have stated elsewhere, ISO E Super, contrary to popular belief by many on these boards, is not an inherently evil aroma chemical; in my opinion, it is to perfumery what "auto tune" is to popular music. It can either be used to good effect, or it can be used to make everything smell alike, and also to take an inferior formula and make it smell "modern" and marketable.

    A few department store type cases where I think it is used well are: Terre d'Hermes, Grey Vetiver and Black Fleece.

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    Wow Spray, you're really glib, aren't you? But I am glad that you've asked this inevitable question. ISO E S has an amazingly, overblown, bad name here, that feels quite unjust. Yes it's ubiquitous and over used, and all that, but it's sort of like the modern version of aldehydes, only this time it's about the base and not the top notes. I guess it's brought us to where we are now.
    My favorite? Féminité du Bois, for sure.
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    A little can help out pretty much any woody/aromatic fragrance, and can imparted much needed texture and dryness to orientals. But when it dominates, the scents smell way too "Fuzzy/buzzy", and too transparent. On it's own it smells like a dry, fuzzy, woody note with endearing hints of resins and green apple. I for one, like it, but too many use too much, hence all the hysterical overreactions here. I recall one thread where the TS wanted recommendations of vetiver or woody scents which used ZERO Iso-E-Super. LOL Boogeyman style.

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    It took me ages to start to get an idea of what Iso E Super actually smelled like, as many folks describe it as "cedary", and to my nose it's nothing like cedar, Atlas or Virginia. Iso E Super makes things cooler, drier, more transparent, and somehow "magnifies" them, from what I can tell. I don't really find it to have a distinct personality of it's own; it's more of a background player. Almost more a "nose feel" than a note, as silly as that sounds.

    To my nose, Lalique's Perles is a very nice, very modern chypre, and it's 80% Iso E Super. Despite the widespread Iso-hate on Basenotes, its reviews are all positive: http://www.basenotes.net/ID10212030/reviews.html
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    I have smelled this in French lover and Jubilation fragrances and I think it augments them quite well. I have no problem with this.

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    Jubilation XXV.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Spray View Post
    What are your favourite scents with ISO E Super?
    Hi,

    Me myself does not join the appraisal. I dislike it a lot. But I always mentioned that others do like it and that is without any doubt all right with me.

    One caveat of Iso E Super is, that its (over)use becomes apparent only after some time when the perfume should fade but doesn't. The debris of the perfume - that Iso E Super, technically spoken a "fixative" - can be a pain in the a* especially when an other scent should take over. Iso E Super itself is for my nose overwhelmingly 0-dimensional. It is boring to death - again, that said for my nose.

    I think it is totally ok to suggest to use perfumes for 2..3 full wears before purchasing. Especially when they are Iso E Super loaded.

    Have Fun!

    PS, On Topic: Escentric Molecules 01 is the best rendition of Iso E Super, a revelation of its merits, a statement, timeless classic.
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    Default Re: Is ISO E Super?

    I have a problem with fragrances that have a dry, raspy cedary base.

    I'm sure I like or love several fragrances with ISO E Super, but that I don't really pay attention to it when it's used in a wellblended, smooth, rich fragrance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DULLAH View Post
    I recall one thread where the TS wanted recommendations of vetiver or woody scents which used ZERO Iso-E-Super. LOL Boogeyman style.
    That was me? I've found such. Its easy if one takes the labor to compare. Why should "wood" and/or "vetiver" use Iso E Super as a fixative? Both are already fixatives themselves. Often used in the good old times, generic to whole classes of perfume style (fern, cypres).

    I remember complaints about dull basenotes (get the pun) in modern perfumery. Figure, HERMES would load its Eau D'Orange Vert with ISO and sell it not as a cologne but as a "perfume". It's longevity would be outstanding, but does it pay to smell the first 30minutes the interesting part - already smooooooothed out by the Iso - and for 24hours after that let alone with infamous Iso and none else?

    It's a matter of taste. I'm gone for vintage perfumes.

    Have Fun! Take Care!
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    Shiseido Feminite du Bois
    Lalique Encre Noir
    Lolita Lempicka (women's)

    In response to mrclmind...I do not think Iso E Super is "evil", but I am really tired of its use as a mindless filler. The three I listed are some that use it as a well-integrated ingredient and not some default mall-scent base.

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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

    I love Terre d'Hermes, and also like to wear Escentric 01 from time to time.

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    Is there a thread of perfumes with high dose of Iso E Super?

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    I love ISO E Super! I pour it on my Wheaties in the morning - the breakfast of champions!
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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

    I'm not too sensitive to Iso E Super, especially if well integrated. A few favorites:-

    Encre Noire
    Jubilation XXV
    Terre d'Hermes
    Currently wearing: Cuoio by Odori

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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

    Both Cartier Declaration and Terre d'Hermes, about equally and, of course, both created by Jean-Claude Ellena.

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    I sort of like the big, bad ISO-E. That fizzy, spikiness is really kind of nice to me, and I haven't tired of it (yet).

    I like it in French Lover, TdH and Grey Vetiver. I haven't smelled Encre Noir, but I'm sure I'd like that, too.
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    Is there a thread of perfumes with high dose of Iso E Super?
    Yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    I love ISO E Super! I pour it on my Wheaties in the morning - the breakfast of champions!
    It must really increase your longevity in the bedroom.

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    I think I am largely anosmic to it. Some frags with high levels like Grey Vetiver or Dirty English, I simply cannot smell at all. I spray the tester strip, and all I can smell is the paper of the strip. Nothing else.

    However many of the frags I like are supposedly ISO E Super heavy, like Cartier Declaration (40%).
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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

    I almost immediately detected Iso E Super in Grey Vetiver - but it does give the fragrance a rounded feel. I also like its use in Terre d'Hermes where it is important in the illusion of the damp earth accord. Another of my fave's is Dior Fanhrenheit which, imo, makes its Iso E Super-ness more apparent in the reformulated version after a downgrade in quality of its violet-leaf note.

    One also has to mention Feminite Du Bois.
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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

    Hermessence Poivre Samarcande by Hermes

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    Hermessence Poivre Samarcande by Hermes
    Whattttt...I would have never guessed. That smells so organic and natural. I have been testing this scent out for two weeks now. I even got a compliment from my girlfriends mother. This is a great pepper scent..

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatropolis View Post
    Whattttt...I would have never guessed. That smells so organic and natural. I have been testing this scent out for two weeks now. I even got a compliment from my girlfriends mother. This is a great pepper scent..
    If it's Ellena, it's got to be ISO E Super.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    If it's Ellena, it's got to be ISO E Super.
    Yeah, it's like Juilan Schnabel and velvet...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatropolis View Post
    Whattttt...I would have never guessed. That smells so organic and natural. I have been testing this scent out for two weeks now. I even got a compliment from my girlfriends mother. This is a great pepper scent..
    The chemical in question does not reveal its terrrror to everybody. Only the ignited are enlightened. Honest, Iso E made a career from a fixative to some kind of "note". Alas, the note is quite unpleasing in its triviality - to me. Maybe I personally identify it on the spot as a single molecule, while others perceive a more complex sensation. It's a matter of taste. I know a lot of people face to face who enjoy Iso E even on my skin.

    Due to its longevity Iso E may interfere with other scents used afterwards. Again, a matter of taste. My favorate Iso E Super scent is Escentric Molecules #01. A pure concept.

    ps an other example: 'received some pure molecules from perfumers apprentice. The chemical "Pharaone" from Givaudan shows an effect I would like to apply pure. It switches between two sensations ongoingly: "red" and "green". The smell doesn't melt into something in between. 'May become nauseating, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merry.waters View Post
    The smell doesn't melt into something in between. 'May become nauseating, though.
    I had that problem with Terre d'Hermes -- the persistent flint note became nauseating in full wear.
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    Iso E Super is very trendy to use, and thus very trendy to disapprove of. Everything has its place IMO. It's all a matter of how something is used.

    Ambergris, Civet, Musk all were considered fixatives back in the day. But you can't deny their use as actual fragrance components either. I can't stand the way many perfumers have employed these notes, but I don't blame the notes.

    Part of the job of educating our noses in order to achieve a level of sophistication in scent appreciation is to eschew the habit of biases against particular notes and judge each composition on its own merits (IMO of course). That is the first thing a budding perfumer must learn to do. Otherwise they limit their palate. A master would never tolerate such biases in an apprentice. Instead of saying "I hate (note/constituent)," they are taught to ask, "how might I employ this note in an effective manner?"

    We, as people who appreciate what these artists do, must also learn (IMO) how to keep an open mind as far as our prejudices toward particular constituents are concerned. Otherwise we are just short changing ourselves and will never reach a level of appreciation of perfumery beyond what we have made ourselves accustomed to enjoying.

    It's the same way for music and art appreciation... in order to really become educated we must stretch beyond our comfort zones and keep our minds open. Just something I learned a long time ago.

    I for one can't stand the way ISO E Super is employed by the majority of compositions in which it is highlighted. But I don't blame the chemical. I also can't stand the way auto tune is employed in much of modern popular music, but that doesn't mean that I blame the technology. In fact I have heard Auto Tune used (occasionally) in some extremely effective ways. It's always a matter of how something is used. Don't blame the color if you don't like the way the artist paints.
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    Default Re: Your Favourite ISO E Super Scents

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post

    We, as people who appreciate what these artists do, must also learn (IMO) how to keep an open mind as far as our prejudices toward particular constituents are concerned. Otherwise we are just short changing ourselves and will never reach a level of appreciation of perfumery beyond what we have made ourselves accustomed to enjoying.
    IMO: It has always been my impression that people in France and adjacent countries are rather careful using the words 'art' and 'artist' within the world of perfumes, and there may be good reasons to keep that up. Perfumes want to primarily please their wearers - the more the better; paintings less so. Perfumes are the bastard of a consumer good industry and intangibles like lifestyle, romantic and other illusions, cleverly sold as one.

    No school of composition knows the secret of how to create another Mozart or Furtwängler. Geniuses are born. There is also no dynasty of noses. It's just convenient to step into dad's business.

    Of course, average Joe, i.e. most of us, grow with our experiences. But not all experiences in life are predominantly a challenge to the intellect. Scents open our hearts naturally, and it's by healthy instinct when we turn our nose away from smells we dislike. My personal reaction to the infamous Iso: headaches! They vanished with the bottle I sold. As we develop, we constantly also re-evaluate things around us. Not trying too hard was a good way for me to get there. I let it happen, and suddenly I notice that some things that meant so much decades ago mean nothing to me now, while others still are beautiful. And that could be a perfume, a song, or a sculpture.

    Any 'musts' in the world of arts may be useful for good performances but essentially mean the end of all creativity, the well of life!
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    Carven Homme
    Dior Homme EDT
    Dior Homme Cologne
    Must de Cartier Pour Homme Essence
    Burberry Weekend for Women EDP


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