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    Default Why Do I Hate Guerlain??

    I know that this may border on sacrilege, and at the very least may subject me to unrelenting ridicule on this board, but I'm going to step forward and come clean on a secret that I've held for some time now:

    I HATE GUERLAIN!

    There, I've finally said it. I've tried many different Guerlain fragrances based upon the glowing reviews and legendary status afforded this house on BN. But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot force myself to like a single one. Not Derby, not SDV, not Shalimar, not L'Instant, not Heritage, not Habit Rouge, not Bois d'Armenie... I could go on. It may be the "Guerlinade" that pervades all these scents that simply does not agree with me but, whatever it is, I think all this stuff smells like "Eau de Old Lady."

    I certainly respect the history of Guerlain but the bottom line is that I think the stuff stinks. And not in a good way.

    OK, bring on the hate...
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    You're welcome to hate Guerlain for all I care...

    I can say that Carons generally do nothing for me, and Hermès is one of my least liked houses. Smell is subjective.

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    How about Guerlain Vétiver? I notice you didn't mention that one.
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    I like Guerlain quite a bit, but I certainly can understand not liking their fragrances. They definitely exist in their own universe. To each, his own.

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    It's odd, since while I certainly can understand the distaste for the older Guerlains, since I find that there is some commonality among them, I don't find that I can generalize ALL Guerlains into any category. Especially the newer stuff, bares little if any resemblance to any of the older ones, nor do they impart an image of "Eau de Old Lady", which again, I can understand for some of the older stuff. Bois d'Armenie, doesn't even feel like a Guerlain, it's much more in line with current niche fragrances than classic Guerlains. I don't know why you dislike them all, but I'd attribute it to mere circumstance rather than anything that can be traced to all Guerlains. There's just too much variance between them.

    Edit: And one of your top 5 PdN New York, often gets the "Old Lady" tag thrown in its direction. And you're fine with that but find all Guerlains to smell feminine?
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    I love Guerlain. It's my favorite house.

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    I suffer from something milder: Guerlain apathy. I appreciate a number of scents, but nearly always there are ones I like better.

    Mitsouko is gorgeous, but I know of so many chypres I find to be more gorgeous. Same can be said for Shalimar and orientals.

    Samsara was a good jasmine, but I'd already found something so much deeper and more me in Gandhara.

    L'Apres L'Ondee will be missed, but not half so much as I miss Midnight Violet.

    A number are truly awful on me, including L'Heure Bleu, Nahema, and Vol de Nuit.

    The mens I don't find particularly special. Vetiver and Habit Rouge, two that are hugely popular here, are shrug-inducing fragrances for me; neither fish nor fowl.

    I don't hate Guerlain, but if all Guerlain suddenly ceased existing, I'd think "oh, that's too bad" and probably never give it another thought. I'm afraid nothing deeply moves me in their catalog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Edit: And one of your top 5 PdN New York, often gets the "Old Lady" tag thrown in its direction. And you're fine with that but find all Guerlains to smell feminine?
    I saw a guy mention the old lady thing and PdN NY in a current thread about the "lipstick" smell of Dior Homme, but I think most if not all of the responses strongly disagreed and I've never heard anybody say it before. Nothing femme about New York at all.
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    Eh, I never really looked into the Guerlain house besides Vetiver, L'Instant, Cologne du 68, and Homme. Besides the latter three, the rest of the lineup's too "old school" for me and it doesn't fit my style at all. I think for anyone who hasn't smelled a Guerlain fragrance should just give it a try once in a while.

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    I'm ambivalent on them, my location hasn't afforded me much opportunity to try much beyond Guerlain Vetiver and I got a sample of L'Instant somewhere along the line. All the others, and there are a lot of others, have escaped my perusal thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    I love Guerlain. It's my favorite house.
    I like Guerlain's Habit Rouge and Shalimar, but unimpressed by later releases like Champs-Elysees and Too Much--nice but not masterpieces. I have a hard time with L'Instant and the candy-concoctions of Insolence and My Insolence...
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    I don't see it written anywhere that says you have to love any house, or for that matter even like it. To each their own.
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    Oh and I'd just like to add, that Cologne du 68 is AMAZING. And I dislike L'Instant PH EDT, I find it rather generic and the citrus/gourmand combo, just like in HM, is discordant and irritating. BUT, L'Instant PH Eau Extreme, is truly great, and one of the best gourmands out there.
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    Thanks for saying this!

    I, too, don't have much love for Guerlain. Some of their scents I downright dislike. Most others I find are "meh." The only one I care for is Mitsouko, which was the first (and so far only) I have felt the need to own a bottle of. Hubby had a bottle of Habit Rouge and I couldn't wait for it to be used up, ugh.

    I have not tried all of the line in men's or women's, but I don't care for the Guerlinade accord and I'm in no hurry to try the others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NebraskaLovesScent View Post
    Thanks for saying this!

    I, too, don't have much love for Guerlain. Some of their scents I downright dislike. Most others I find are "meh." The only one I care for is Mitsouko, which was the first (and so far only) I have felt the need to own a bottle of. Hubby had a bottle of Habit Rouge and I couldn't wait for it to be used up, ugh.

    I have not tried all of the line in men's or women's, but I don't care for the Guerlinade accord and I'm in no hurry to try the others.
    I've heard good things about Mitsouku, but the same can be said about the other Guerlains. Frrom what I've read, Mits is definitely one of those that can skew to the femme side of unisex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity1014 View Post
    I've heard good things about Mitsouku, but the same can be said about the other Guerlains. Frrom what I've read, Mits is definitely one of those that can skew to the femme side of unisex.
    Only way to know is to give it a try.

    It's very common, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.

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    I've been uniformly pleased with Guerlain scents but not exactly wowed as I'd expected.

    Shalimar is supposed to be the pinnacle of the oriental genre? The edp smells like vanilla baby powder with a few floral/amber/animalic notes to spice it up. Pleasant but not exciting. Mitsuoko is lovely while it lasts but I've only smelled the reformulation that's missing the oak moss and I'm told it's just not the same.

    I did manage to find an empty bottle of Shalimar EdC in an antiques store (the old ones with the gold cap and the Middle Eastern look) with what looked like a tiny bit of dried perfume oil left in the bottom. I opened the bottle for an inquisitive sniff and wow, just wow. The perfume dross was incredibly warm and mixed equal sections of amber and vanilla with gorgeous civet powering the top notes. If that's what Shalimar used to be I can see why people would rave about it.

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    I'm not a massive Guerlain fan, I hate their most popular frags (Vetiver and Habit Rouge) and the only one I really like is the one everyone else hates - the current Pour Homme. So I guess I kind of agree.

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    I love Guerlain. As a matter of fact one of my birthday presents this year is a round trip to Toronto to visit the Guerlain shop. Sometimes when I'm in a department store; I wonder how long those tester bottles have been sitting out there on the counter in the heat and etc... That cannot possibly be doing the fragrance a great deal of good.
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    After buying Guerlain Vetiver and not liking it I have been reluctant in trying any of their other fragrances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hunter View Post
    After buying Guerlain Vetiver and not liking it I have been reluctant in trying any of their other fragrances.
    Why?

    None of their other fragrances smell anything like Vetiver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyCity1014 View Post
    I know that this may border on sacrilege, and at the very least may subject me to unrelenting ridicule on this board, but I'm going to step forward and come clean on a secret that I've held for some time now:

    I HATE GUERLAIN!

    There, I've finally said it. I've tried many different Guerlain fragrances based upon the glowing reviews and legendary status afforded this house on BN. But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot force myself to like a single one. Not Derby, not SDV, not Shalimar, not L'Instant, not Heritage, not Habit Rouge, not Bois d'Armenie... I could go on. It may be the "Guerlinade" that pervades all these scents that simply does not agree with me but, whatever it is, I think all this stuff smells like "Eau de Old Lady."

    I certainly respect the history of Guerlain but the bottom line is that I think the stuff stinks. And not in a good way.

    OK, bring on the hate...
    I like Guerlain a lot, but I also respect your right to hate Guerlain. I would never hate you for your opinion of any scent.

    What I find a little strange is the tone of unconscious (I hope) ageism and sexism that people sometimes resort to in putting down scents they don't like. Why is being old or being a woman the ultimate put-down?


    I'm not so old. (I'm getting there at the same rate as all the rest of us though I may have started before some of you, but I have every confidence that we'll all get there some day if we're lucky enough to live that long.) I'm not a woman, either. Yet it rankles me to see these attitudes persist, because as long as they're around, they keep alive behaviors that make some people's lives less full than they could be.


    Hate all the fragrances you like, and put them down with a vengeance. Just please don't do it in a way that puts down people at the same time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Moon View Post
    Why?

    None of their other fragrances smell anything like Vetiver.
    It's just me I have this perception that as a lot of their fragrances are old fashioned or date back a few decades that they may have a house note in the ingredients that will be off-putting to me. In their Vetiver fragrance there was a plastic/doughy note that I could not live with and I am just a bit weary that the same notes may be in their other fragrances.

    I'm sure I'm just been paranoid in thinking if a fragrance is old that it has unfriendly notes that are not user friendly to the modern fragrance user. If that makes any sense.lol
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    I have a 19 year old daughter who wears Apres L'ondee and Champs-Elysees. She tells me that she gets many compliments. I have to confess that I feel happy when she goes past me to leave the house. She smells so nice.

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    Wow WC... you certainly have a WC directness.

    If you've tried all their scents and hate them uniformly... just wait for their next scent. Who knows, you might love it. (I don't really like the vintage Mitsuoko, based on a sample only, and really like the new formula... go figure, as that runs contrary to what I've read here.)

    Nothing wrong with hating a scent.

    But don't expect hate back. Scent is soooooo subjective to the chemistry and the likes, and the mood... of the one who smells, wears and buys.

    The only exception I take is indeed some "stereotyping" that you do, related to gender and age. (I'm female and over 50 btw) ... but I just write that off to the Chi-town 'tude. And your being an attorney, which makes you suspect of arbitrarily argumentative behavior. (stereotyping? Hmm.)

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    Each to his own I guess. I'm not a Creed fan, but love Original Santal which is widely despised by many on here.

    But I have many Guerlain fragrances and genuinely love them, although bizarrely I am not overly struck on Mitsouko... so go figure.
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    I think its perfectly alright not to like their fragrances. There are always perfumes that we like and dislike from a particular house except for Creed where I have yet to like a fragrance from them. I just don't get why people love and rave about their perfumes so much. I must give it more time I suppose.

    I think you should try more from Guerlian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclmind View Post
    I love Guerlain. It's my favorite house.
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    Guerlain covers so much territory with so many options, I would think most fragrance lovers would find something they like. But you haven't found one, I respect that as well.

    I have just scratched the surface with them and have found two for myself: Eau de Cologne du Coq and Spiritueuse Double Vanille.
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