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    I was in the Creed Boutique in NYC today and the sales associate told me that Windsor will return this fall in a flacon - only 100 will be produced and sold at the NYC store only. He showed me the waiting list and it looked like about 30 names so far. The price is around $605 if I recall. Got to smell it too and it's amazing but my bankbook can't handle it. He also said that their new scent, Wood and Spices, is due around the same time.
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    It's an odd scent to me mike. I'm glad I got the atomizer, but I am happy I didn't get a flacon. While I like it a lot, it's not the kind of scent I find myself able to wear very often.

    If it intrigues you, I'd advise looking for a split, or someone who will sell a fairly sizeable decant.

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    Wood and Spices sounds like a Montale-type name.

    Too bad they won't bring back Feuille Verte.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeNY911 View Post
    I was in the Creed Boutique in NYC today and the sales associate told me that Windsor will return this fall in a flacon - only 100 will be produced and sold at the NYC store only. He showed me the waiting list and it looked like about 30 names so far. The price is around $650 if I recall. Got to smell it too and it's amazing but my bankbook can't handle it. He also said that their new scent, Wood and Spices, is due around the same time.
    Interesting marketing strategy. Wasn't this one of those "limited amounts were made" Creeds? If you keep bringing out more of your limited run products, doesn't that diminish some of their appeal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zizanioides View Post
    Interesting marketing strategy. Wasn't this one of those "limited amounts were made" Creeds? If you keep bringing out more of your limited run products, doesn't that diminish some of their appeal?
    It's a bit odd, yes. Creed is taking some new directions which I find interesting. I could second guess a lot of reasons why they will have 100 more to sell in fall 2010, but it's not worth the energy right now.

    I'll risk the wrath of the "Creed haters" and say I like some of what they're doing with these limited scents. It strikes me that this is not where they'll make their big money. Yes, they'll make a tidy profit on those 100 flacons, but nothing compared to what they probably make with their three or four best selling scents.

    My experience with Windsor is that it is indeed top quality, high end perfumery. I think these limited editions are way more for lunatics like us than the general consumer. The average Basenoter may not like Windsor scent, question it's "history" or think it's not worth the money. But I doubt many would question that it is first rate perfumery.
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    Default Re: Creed Windsor Returns Fall 2010

    Agree about the quality, etc. on the juice. But the flacon thing is deliberate "luxury" marketing. If they were really interested in making it available they would have it in a variety of smaller sizes. It seems a rather deliberate us vs. them mentality.
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    Default Re: Creed Windsor Returns Fall 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by odysseusm View Post
    Agree about the quality, etc. on the juice. But the flacon thing is deliberate "luxury" marketing. If they were really interested in making it available they would have it in a variety of smaller sizes. It seems a rather deliberate us vs. them mentality.
    I for one would sure prefer that it was available in smaller units, even if jacked up in price per ml. With so many frags, I don't like the "pressure" and long term commitment of 8.4 oz.
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    I've yet to still even try this... the notes sound cool, but the fact that they're going the $650 route.... too rich for my tastes.
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    It`s so excited with the new "wood and Spices"!

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    They could make as much of this as they wanted to and I have no doubt they would make a hefty profit even at the regular Creed price. It's purely a marketing thing, as Ody said. Also I'll be the spoilsport here and say that somehing so heavy on lyral and other ubiquitous synthetics and with such a short-lived and ghostly, albeit nice, drydown doesn't register as high-end perfumery with me. It should be natural and short-lived or smell natural and be longlived, or even smell obviously part-synthetic and be longlived, but this, in terms of construction, is a trainwreck to my nose. I recently tried some Xerjoffs: far-out pricing, some ultra-ugly flacons for nouveau-riche Russians, but that aside, incredibly high-quality essences, and some of them are masterful creations as well (looking at you, Kobe, an incredible long-lasting resinous neroli). I'm thinking that some Fleurs de Bulgarie (a really good, straightforward rose) layered with the exciting pine and cedar of the just recently discovered (by me) Patyka Boisé could out-Windsor Windsor.
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    It would be arrogant of me to say I am immune to hype, but I do tend and try to judge fragrances by their own merit. Whether in 60, 100, or 5000 flacons, Windsor is a first-class fragrance. Too expensive if you don't like it [enough]. Priced right if you like it enough. The only Creed which I find even better than (or almost the same as) Windsor is the quasi-ubiquitous GIT, regardless of the fact that it is much more accessible and affordable. If SMW or Himalaya were $25, they would be too expensive for me. (No offense.)

    I wonder... if GIT was marketed like Windsor and Windsor was marketed like GIT... what would people think of them then? (-:

    Question for BN-ers such as Dullah and others who have a nose more experienced than mine: are there any expensive components in Windsor which, while not "justifying" at least can explain the higher price-range, besides marketing? I wonder whether the "secret" of Windsor consists not in the "freshening" of the rose note with other elements, but in the extraordinary quality of the rose component itself? Would that be created from scratch by Creed or just bought from somewhere? Just curious.
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    Random aside - I was at the store smelling some deodorants with my g/f and sniffed the Secret "Green Euphoria" for women scented stick and it really called to mind Windsor. Lots of green and a similar cedar note, too.

    It was odd to smell Windsor in a $3 stick of women's deodorant.
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    Wood and Spices. . . yes, yes, can't wait.

    Windsor: nice, but not the knock-your-socks-off experience I was hoping for at this level of price and presentation. This is heresy to many BN fans, but: I would be interested in sniffing the new release of this to see if it's any different from the juice I purchased. To me, it's very close to being a "wow." I'd like it if it were adjusted just a bit. Middle notes could be turned up a little, and it could use a more solid base. Of course, that would substantially alter it. Maybe call it "Windsor Intense"? Har har. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    Random aside - I was at the store smelling some deodorants with my g/f and sniffed the Secret "Green Euphoria" for women scented stick and it really called to mind Windsor. Lots of green and a similar cedar note, too.

    It was odd to smell Windsor in a $3 stick of women's deodorant.
    Funny. It reminds me a little of Ben-Gay. Not kidding about that. I'm sure this observation enrages some hard-core Windsor fans, but. . . just sayin. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    Wood and Spices. . . yes, yes, can't wait.

    Windsor: nice, but not the knock-your-socks-off experience I was hoping for at this level of price and presentation.
    Agreed about Wood and Spices.

    About Windsor: that was exactly my reaction on first sniff. "Why should this be so damn expensive?" Not now.

    I think that your reservation is inadvertently also a compliment. It is not supposed to be a knock-your-socks-off experience. It walks a fine line between being noticeable (unmistakable) and being discreet.

    It could have had "discretion is the better part of valour" inscribed on the bottle. ( :

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    Funny. It reminds me a little of Ben-Gay. Not kidding about that. I'm sure this observation enrages some hard-core Windsor fans, but. . . just sayin. . .
    Well, Windsor smells far more refined to my nose, but still I did pick up on a similar vibe at least. Maybe this could work as a 'matching' deodorant to wear with Windsor for those who feels it smells somewhat similar.

    Tbh I like Windsor and think it's a good if not great scent. It's just a bit too aloof for me. I like scents that conjure up images of exotic, surreal or even just vividly realistic landscapes - something that paints a clear picture in my minds eye. All I get from Windsor in that regard is the detached image of aristocracy.
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    Default Re: Creed Windsor Returns Fall 2010

    Windsor might not be using he most expensive ingredients. It might not be the best work of art. But whoever has tried it, needs to look at the competition as well. I can bet you it would still have cost Creed more to produce one flacon of Windsor than it cost Tom Ford to produce one each of all 14 of his Private Collection. It wouldn't seem that expensive if you compare it to the current competition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    All I get from Windsor in that regard is the detached image of aristocracy.
    Very well-stated. I'm pretty sure that's the perfumer's intent, too. In that regard, Windsor is a smash.

    I don't get quite the formal vibe, more a relaxed elegance feel. Works well in that sense.

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    My question to those of you who have previously bought Windsor flacons: does it bother you that the number of flacons on the market will be increasing, consequently making the flacons a bit less scarce than when you purchased yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    My question to those of you who have previously bought Windsor flacons: does it bother you that the number of flacons on the market will be increasing, consequently making the flacons a bit less scarce than when you purchased yours?
    Certainly agree with this sentiment. One would hope that Creed would change the packaging just a bit, so the original buyers could at least have verifiable "first edition" bragging rights.

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    Default Re: Creed Windsor Returns Fall 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    My question to those of you who have previously bought Windsor flacons: does it bother you that the number of flacons on the market will be increasing, consequently making the flacons a bit less scarce than when you purchased yours?
    I think it depends on the reason why these buyers made their purchase in the first place.

    If someone bought Windsor for its exclusivity, he is surely going to be disappointed.
    However if someone bought it solely on the merit of the juice, it shouldn't bother him much.

    In my opinion, it is a bit of a letdown to re-release something within months of the debut launch when the USP at the time was that this is one fragrance that will never be made again.

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    Ofcourse it bothers me, as I probably would have held off the purchase for a bit if there wasn't the pressure of there are only 70 of these around and once they are gone, they are gone.

    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    My question to those of you who have previously bought Windsor flacons: does it bother you that the number of flacons on the market will be increasing, consequently making the flacons a bit less scarce than when you purchased yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    Very well-stated. I'm pretty sure that's the perfumer's intent, too. In that regard, Windsor is a smash.

    I don't get quite the formal vibe, more a relaxed elegance feel. Works well in that sense.
    Definitely agreed. It works excellently in that sense. Perhaps the best of its type. Definitely one of the most unique of the aristocratic frags that I've tried, up there with Ungaro II. Ungaro II speaks more to me though as there is that animalic and decidedly more human - if lustful - side to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scentsitivity View Post
    My question to those of you who have previously bought Windsor flacons: does it bother you that the number of flacons on the market will be increasing, consequently making the flacons a bit less scarce than when you purchased yours?
    Speaking only for myself, no. IF it would become $280 a flacon I would feel a little cheated because of paying much more on semi-false pretenses but otherwise the availability of such a nice fragrance doesn't bother me in the least. It's not like millions of teenagers will rush to spend $600+ and you'll smell Windsor everywhere ( :. I wouldn't mind it if Creed made it part of the permanent collection at some point in the future.
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    Does anybody remember the beginnings of the old Creed boutique in USA, when the official (not-discounted) price of a 4oz GIT used to be (if memory serves) $120? I remember I thought that was expensive. Little did I know ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addict View Post

    Question for BN-ers such as Dullah and others who have a nose more experienced than mine: are there any expensive components in Windsor which, while not "justifying" at least can explain the higher price-range, besides marketing? I wonder whether the "secret" of Windsor consists not in the "freshening" of the rose note with other elements, but in the extraordinary quality of the rose component itself? Would that be created from scratch by Creed or just bought from somewhere? Just curious.
    Very few perfumes' prices can be justified by their ingredients alone =)
    LT gives an example (which I will now mangle as I don't have the guide at hand); take a nice quality iris root butter that sells for $30k per kilo, dilute 5:1 in perfumer's alcohol and bottle it. You now have the most expensive perfume you can make. Sell it retail at $750 an ounce (about a five times mark up) and there you go.

    Most perfumes are sold for more than a five times mark up (I think); Chandler Burr mentions that most modern perfumes cost around $40-80 per kilogram in ingredients. It's really the skill of the composition you are paying for and hoping you get your money's worth.

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    Default Re: Creed Windsor Returns Fall 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Addict View Post
    Speaking only for myself, no. IF it would become $280 a flacon I would feel a little cheated because of paying much more on semi-false pretenses but otherwise the availability of such a nice fragrance doesn't bother me in the least. It's not like millions of teenagers will rush to spend $600+ and you'll smell Windsor everywhere ( :. I wouldn't mind it if Creed made it part of the permanent collection at some point in the future.
    I didn't buy a flacon, but I agree it would be an annoyance if they knocked it down in price from what I paid. If they are only selling 100 more, that hardly seems like "flooding" the market. One question though: do they really only have 100 more to sell? Did they really only have 100 flacons for the first offer.

    I do think there is a limited market for frags at this price point and don't think they sold thousands, but I often wonder if the "limited" number publicized is an artificially low number to spur sales.

    I see that the "limited" offering of Vintage Tabarome atomizers seems to have been depleted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zizanioides View Post
    It's really the skill of the composition you are paying for and hoping you get your money's worth.
    Yes, that, and the costs of research, development, marketing, distribution, and the convenience of having this stuff somewhat readily available. At all steps of the way somebody needs to make money. The final price represents far more than just the cost of the ingredients.

    And, all that stated, I suspect it's actually fairly easy to lose money in the fragrance business. For every well-documented hit release I am sure there are many thousands of scent marketing plans that don't work out.

    This is part of something I admire about Creed. Family-owned business for 200+ years, good products, and they command top dollar. Any one of us would kill to have such a successful business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcologneguy View Post
    Yes, that, and the costs of research, development, marketing, distribution, and the convenience of having this stuff somewhat readily available. At all steps of the way somebody needs to make money. The final price represents far more than just the cost of the ingredients.
    True. That I can tell, Creed spends very little on true advertising; i.e. paid for media like print or television ads. Contrast that with the millions some of the designer brands spend launching a frag. That outside media money is a factor in the profitability of the scent (and indicative of the fact that the production costs must be fairly low in order to make a profit).

    If the number of Windsor flacons and atomizers they have sold and will sell is accurate, their gross sales on it are appx $160K. That kind of money is insignificant in terms of placing advertising. in the US.
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    "One question though: do they really only have 100 more to sell? Did they really only have 100 flacons for the first offer."

    Actually the first public offer was less than 100 flacons, right? 70 I think?

    I am in no way, shape or form empowered to speak on Creed's behalf but, based on gut instinct, I don't believe they sold publicly more than the initially announced number of flacons. The number of people "crazy" enough to shell $600 is not so big...

    Perhaps they had a limited number of unnumbered, unsold flacons for gifts, for the family, for the "uncommercial" (museum-like) vault or something. I actually believe that they did not make more than 100 total in the first batch. I can personally testify that I have asked about it during a trip to Paris, at the Creed boutique in Paris (honestly I was hoping I might find a slightly cheaper Windsor flacon), and the French representatives (who speak good English) made it very clear they didn't get one single flacon for sale. They actually didn't know how it smelled like.

    Based on more than gut instinct (i.e., on something which actually makes sense), I am certain the new batch of Windsor is actually made now, hence the delay (fall 2010) etc. I don't think they have 100 flacons worth of juice waiting somewhere. Going back to guessing, I believe that part of the reason a second batch of Windsor is being made is that some of the people who got only the atomizer (among 320 of them) asked for a flacon and Creed wants to be nice to its customers, rather than sticking to the "it's back to the vault, that's it, bye!" policy. Of course, this will be also somewhat profitable for them, but I see no reason to resent that, they aren't in the charity business. They offer a product which is in demand, limited and more or less genuinely elitist as this demand may be. Perhaps it would be more disturbing and greedy if, after hundreds of customers paid $405 for a 50 ml atomizer, they would refuse to address the logical expectations of those dozens among them who request the one-time chance of a flacon for refills.

    Honestly, hoopla and hype apart, I can see it as perfectly reasonable that some people would prefer other, cheaper Creeds, or no Creed at all etc. I am really interested in the subject because I happened to like Windsor period. I've smelled more expensive stuff (such as Clive Christian No. 1) and wasn't that enthralled. Not everything which is awfully pricey appeals to me. (I couldn't afford it either.)

    Just some more-or-less-relevant thoughts, take them or leave them.
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