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    Does anyone know where I can get my hands on some vintage Kouros before it was reformulated? I bought a bottle on Ebay thinking it was vintage (it had the text just under the Kouros rather than at the bottom) but it turned out to be a special tester and not vintage (it had a plain white bottom, not a metal plate, which was weird).

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    Default Re: Vintage Kouros

    The bottles or packaging might have changed over the years, but I don't believe it's been reformulated. This is one of the few fragrances where people here have not been ranting about it being reformulated.

    Tester bottles very often look different than a bottle you'd buy in a store, so I think that may be the situation. The juice inside is probably the same. I've been wearing Kouros for about 16 years, and have noticed no difference in smell from the 3 or 4 bottles I've gone through.
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    I use Kouros for so many years now,and never noticed any difference and I think they never formulated Kouros.Just the packaging and the bottle changed a little.

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    Kouros has been the same, as far as I know. To me, "Vintage Kouros" could only mean old juice, but nothing special. Juice from a fresh bottle should smell the same (if not better).

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    Kouros was definitely reformulated at some point because the original had real oakmoss which is a no no these days... I'm not a big fan of Kouros, so I never compared the original vs the vintage, but it seems like this is a case where the reformulation was completed in a very careful and skillful manner, and what's left is still a very good, if not equal fragrance...

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    Aight thanks.

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    Default Re: Vintage Kouros

    Quote Originally Posted by KMF View Post
    Kouros was definitely reformulated at some point because the original had real oakmoss which is a no no these days... I'm not a big fan of Kouros, so I never compared the original vs the vintage, but it seems like this is a case where the reformulation was completed in a very careful and skillful manner, and what's left is still a very good, if not equal fragrance...
    Ditto

    Not sure where to score vintage juice...best place to look has tp be Ebay and/or old pharmacies/discount stores.

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    I understand that many frags undergo reformulations for many reasons. The oakmoss certainly an issue for many. But as a Kouros fan, I cannot believe with something this potent and distinctive that it makes enough difference to rigorously pursue an authentic pre-reformulation bottle.

    I'm sure the bottle I have is quite recent and can't imagine a version that would be significantly different.

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    No, I don't think that Kouros has been reformulated. Anyway, I don't even care, it is my favorite fragrance.
    That's why Body Kouros was created for those people who didn't like Kouros.
    In my opinion, fragrances are like art. You can't change art. How was it if someone changed paintings ?
    Yves Saint Laurent makes Kouros with the same ingredients that it had almost 30 years ago. That's what I know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimi Hendrix View Post
    No, I don't think that Kouros has been reformulated. Anyway, I don't even care, it is my favorite fragrance.
    That's why Body Kouros was created for those people who didn't like Kouros.
    In my opinion, fragrances are like art. You can't change art. How was it if someone changed paintings ?
    Yves Saint Laurent makes Kouros with the same ingredients that it had almost 30 years ago. That's what I know.

    Jimi Hendrix
    How can you be so sure about it? Are you such a trained nose that you are able to perceive even the slightest changing? Or are you a highly trained chemist that can make reversal engineering to see if they changed the composition? I doubt it.

    You cant' change art? I agree, but, unfortunately, the fragrance industry does not think like us, mr. Hendrix. They reformulate everything, even when we can't notice the difference.

    There are plenty of old discussions here about why they reformulate. I will not repeat them here, due to lack of time and patience. Do a search if you still didn't, you will be surprised.

    Or just forget what I said, and keep on trusting YSL. Ignorance is a bliss, no offense meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    They reformulate everything, even when we can't notice the difference.
    If you can't smell the difference, then who cares?

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    If it is reformulated, I don't care, as long as it is not noticeable by an untrained nose like me.
    They must have their reasons to reformulate fragrances. I was affraid that, if they reformulate everything, the fragrances might be turned into someting awfull. The prerfumers are trained and professional noses, so they must know what they are doing. That's all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamu1 View Post
    If you can't smell the difference, then who cares?
    Who cares? That's simple: the other people who CAN smell the difference.

    Also, I said that EVEN when you can't smell the difference, it doesn't mean it wasn't reformulated. The problem is, in most cases, we CAN smell the difference.

    I'm not saying that Kouros was reformulated badly. I personally like it.

    I'm even enjoying Égoïste, which current version has been bashed by basenoters from times to times.

    On the other hand, they quite ruined Fahrenheit, Tabac Blond, Vetiver Guerlain, Trussardi Uomo, and many others. So, in many cases, they DON'T know what they're doing at all, and that's a well known fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimi Hendrix View Post
    If it is reformulated, I don't care, as long as it is not noticeable by an untrained nose like me.
    They must have their reasons to reformulate fragrances. I was affraid that, if they reformulate everything, the fragrances might be turned into someting awfull. The prerfumers are trained and professional noses, so they must know what they are doing. That's all.
    Excuse me, but are you the same guy that just said "In my opinion, fragrances are like art. You can't change art. How was it if someone changed paintings ?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    Excuse me, but are you the same guy that just said "In my opinion, fragrances are like art. You can't change art. How was it if someone changed paintings ?"

    I don't understand why you feel the need to bust the guy's chops.

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    this is much ado about not a lot. Look, I've been wearing this for a long time now, it's still good.

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    To my knowledge, it has been reformulated like all frags from the 80's. Looks like Beautyencounter has the vintage (look for the pour Edt).
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    Quote Originally Posted by shamu1 View Post
    I don't understand why you feel the need to bust the guy's chops.
    ?????

    I just questioned him because what he said is incoherent and nonsense. I have nothing personal about anybody here.

    Or do I have to clap my hands and agree with everything that is written here? Is there such a rule? I don't think so.

    Also, why do you feel the need to defend him and point the finger to myself? He may reply if he wants to.

    No offense meant. Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    ?????

    I just questioned him because what he said is incoherent and nonsense. I have nothing personal about anybody here.

    Or do I have to clap my hands and agree with everything that is written here? Is there such a rule? I don't think so.

    Also, why do you feel the need to defend him and point the finger to myself? He may reply if he wants to.

    No offense meant. Never.
    No offense meant here either, but how about letting it ride. The guy had his say, stated what's important to him and how he's happy with the scent as he's experienced it and how it's available to him. How about letting it go a that and not questioning his grip on deeper meaning, Smeller? Go ahead and state that your experience of the scent is different, if it is. Let the readers ponder as they wish. It's a thread on the Internet after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmo View Post
    Does anyone know where I can get my hands on some vintage Kouros before it was reformulated? I bought a bottle on Ebay thinking it was vintage (it had the text just under the Kouros rather than at the bottom) but it turned out to be a special tester and not vintage (it had a plain white bottom, not a metal plate, which was weird).
    Getting to your original point in your post, do you smell any difference in what's in your new bottle and what you remember smelling in Kouros before?

    I'm hoping you don't - there would be a lot of enraged Kouros fans here if this has been (noticeably) reformulated. This is one they should never mess with.
    Last edited by shamu1; 11th April 2010 at 11:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manicboy View Post
    To my knowledge, it has been reformulated like all frags from the 80's. Looks like Beautyencounter has the vintage (look for the pour Edt).
    Nice I had been searching for 'splash' not 'pour'. I'm going to get a bottle and report back in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    No offense meant here either, but how about letting it ride. The guy had his say, stated what's important to him and how he's happy with the scent as he's experienced it and how it's available to him. How about letting it go a that and not questioning his grip on deeper meaning, Smeller? Go ahead and state that your experience of the scent is different, if it is. Let the readers ponder as they wish. It's a thread on the Internet after all.
    I already let it ride, but now what's the point of being told to "let it go and not question his grip on deeper meaning"? I'm not even attacking him personally. What's wrong on pointing the weakness of someones' arguments? As I see, this is not a rule on the forum.

    I see your good intentions, but, honestly, as far as I remember, what I always liked in Basenotes was exactly the depth of the discussions, with respectful disagreeings, solid arguments, and eventually some caustic comments here and there (which I didn't). It used to be a non-mediocre fragrance site.

    By the way, I'm not seeing it that much recently. Perhaps the forum changed that much since my hiatus of some months, and now only superficial comments are allowed. I hope not...

    If you are afraid of this discussion getting uglier, relax, I wouldn't do that.

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    I do not know for sure, but my guess is that is has been reformaulated - with just about everything else. However, IMO the Kouros that is sold today is still 99% better than the rest of the fragrances being sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    I do not know for sure, but my guess is that is has been reformaulated - with just about everything else. However, IMO the Kouros that is sold today is still 99% better than the rest of the fragrances being sold.
    I agree wholeheartedly, Joe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petruccijc View Post
    I do not know for sure, but my guess is that is has been reformaulated - with just about everything else. However, IMO the Kouros that is sold today is still 99% better than the rest of the fragrances being sold.
    I agree, and that includes niche fragrances too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shamu1 View Post
    I agree, and that includes niche fragrances too!
    Absolutely!
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    Agreed that it's a masterpiece even if reformulated. I used Kouros as my signature scent for years. I don't know if it's reformulated now but if you'd like to look for the old packaging (if that really means vintage in this case), look for an out of place "S" at the end of the name. The font looked different than the rest of the letters in the name. As if the letter Z was turned around and used as an S. This was corrected in subsequent packaging.
    I still find it the same scent and funny enough, I never thought of it as a "dirty" scent back in my twenties. I always received compliments on it. I'm more self-conscious about wearing it now! : 0

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    Just a few things:

    BULLYING? Blatantly aggressive attitude? Could you POINT when I did one of those things? Just an example. A phrase. Please.

    If you have a personal complain about me, you have two options: 1) send me a private message or 2) call a moderator (you're not one).

    This topic is meant to discuss the Kouros reformulation, which I tried to do before some members started to accuse me of being too aggressive.

    As I see, YOU are being aggressive towards myself. I didn't make any personal attack, you are attacking me.

    I'm only replying here because you posted here. I really don't want to go off-topic. Post a private message (you should have done at first place, since you are not a moderator) and we will discuss the forum rules and the definition of bullying and aggressiveness in private.

    To your knowledge, I'm contacting the moderation right now.

    Respectfully.

    Quote Originally Posted by SillageMonger View Post
    Mr. smeller:

    If you made even a slightly cogent argument in defense of your position with repect to the OP's post (regarding Vintage Kouros), then no one would be contesting your blatently aggressive attitude. The whole point of this forum, and Basenotes per say, is to discuss our varying opinions (and what makes it interesting is that we all have differing opinions). Unfortunately, your posts in this thread are very apparently aimed at bullying, which is generally not acceptable. It is apparent not only to me, but to almost everyone that has attempted to discuss this topic in a civil matter. Please reassess your approach. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeller View Post
    ... Are you such a trained nose that you are able to perceive even the slightest changing? Or are you a highly trained chemist that can make reversal engineering to see if they changed the composition? I doubt it.


    There are plenty of old discussions here about why they reformulate. I will not repeat them here, due to lack of time and patience. Do a search if you still didn't...

    Or just forget what I said, and keep on trusting YSL. Ignorance is a bliss, no offense meant.
    You want quotes? There you go.

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