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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    "they probably are paid by or associated with estee lauder, who knows. I love Creed and it is a fine perfume house, it is not a cheap, shitty and synthetic based fragrance company like many we have these days that are way below the bar. The presentation of Creed is simple but elegant same as the bottle."

    I'd be careful with slanderous and completely unfounded accusations like that.

    The type of Creed fragrance that the house now seems bent on discontinuing was indeed characterized by the quality of the natural oils it contained. On the other hand, their more popular "younger" scents like MI, SMW, Himalaya, OV, OS are chock full of synths and certainly not more natural than other niches. Even Windsor hnad a pretty synthetic vibe, which I personally cannot countenance, much less at that price. I find the men's bottles to be rather cheap looking myself, but that's a matter of taste. Metal caps would be an aesthetic minimum, though. And they should lose the fake Prince-of-Wales plumes and the references to tailoring-related royal warrant on the packaging. I have to say, I like the Creed perfumes I do like for what the juice is and despite what the brand stands for, everything else about them is a turn-off.
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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Creeds, both new and old ones, usually don't induce an extatic reaction of a gas chromatograph in a form of some rich spectrum graph. It might be contributed to lack of impurities in the used raw materials whether natural or synthetic, choose at will. Or it might indicate relative straightforwardness in the construction of their fragrances.

    It may be regarded as a weakness by those who like fragrances to be lush. Those who prefer decency might, on the other hand, feel relieved that there's still a company not trying to knock down all your 347 receptor kinds with a single spritz.

    The rest is a matter of taste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyneve View Post
    yes, I'm looking for french GUIDE, the first
    thanks, anyway :-)
    I have the file of the 1994 edition, where Luca Turin reviews Bois du Portugal, to which he pays tribute as a superb, delightful and elegant success without any dandified note at all (his pet peeve).

    He also pays tribute to GIT as a brilliant and richer predecessor of Cool Water. There is a review of Erolfa, that he judges to be more a fresh fragrance than a cold fragrance, with an instable balance between citrus and oyster notes.

    There is not one single review in the 1994 guide that may give the impression that he dislikes Creed, let alone that he hates Creed.

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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chassagne Montrachet View Post
    There is not one single review in the 1994 guide that may give the impression that he dislikes Creed, let alone that he hates Creed.
    His 1994 Creed reviews were very favorable - he even complements Erolfa's design as a unique solution to present aquatic notes by filtering them through a heavy citrus screen. Something definitely changed his attitude towards Creed since then. Anyways I don't give a feck ..
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    Don't pay too much attention to Turin's reviews. They have some entertainment value, but you can't take them too seriously.

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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    I 'like' some Creeds to be fair but not enough to buy a full bottle unless it's discounted and even then I tend to think of other fragrances first. So I do not own a single Creed scent.
    Creed fanboys/gals also put me off the brand . Not so sure about their history and their 'english /french' roots either.
    Everyone is entitled to their own points of view and frankly there are enough Creed lovers to keep them in business for a good few years yet...
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    First of all I really like his book. But the "creed hate" is obvious. I mean Erolfa got one star and is one of my favourites. Maybe our taste is *that* different. I am by no means as experienced as he is.

    But one thing striked me. He gave Green Irish Tweed four stars and Cool Water got five. That's unfair if one considers that CW is a knock off. Maybe the price is taken into account for his assessments.

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    I wanted to be part of the Creed community. Forget about Turin let the juice talk was my attitude.

    Unfortunately I have not found a Creed I would splash out money on just yet. I am envious of those that have found their Creed bottle.

    I will keep visiting their flagship store and continue ignoring the marketing lies the SA throws at me.

    Wanna let the juice talk for itself.

    Why do I keep visiting Creed? Only out of respect for the community of Base Noter's that I respect (Hear that Martin?)....

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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by N_Tesla View Post
    I cannot speak for Turin and Sanchez but, as for me, I have never found the Creed fragrances that I have tried to be comesurate with the pricing or the infered notoriety of quality.
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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by kccparis View Post
    I wanted to be part of the Creed community. Forget about Turin let the juice talk was my attitude.

    Unfortunately I have not found a Creed I would splash out money on just yet. I am envious of those that have found their Creed bottle.

    I will keep visiting their flagship store and continue ignoring the marketing lies the SA throws at me.

    Wanna let the juice talk for itself.

    Why do I keep visiting Creed? Only out of respect for the community of Base Noter's that I respect (Hear that Martin?)....
    I think it's admirable that you're giving them a try - but no problem if they never ring your bell. There are some well-respected niche houses here that simply never clicked for me. Some worked for me after repeated testing, but others are still not making progress.

    I recommend trying some of the offbeat citrus Creeds like Bois de Cedrat. That's the first Creed that really made sense to me.

    There is something very interesting and noteworthy about how Creed comes up in radio interviews with either Luca or Tania. Even the most perfume-savvy interviewers tend to come across like a new BNer. They have "heard" - somehow - that Creed is the best, the oldest, the gold standard against which all of perfumery is measured. I sense a certain patient exasperation in the inevitable reeducation which follows, even though it is done with great respect and courtesy. Frankly, Creed's success at distorting the reality of the fragrance world at the entry level of this hobby - though done with all the good-intentioned capitalist gusto of any fragrance maker - must drive Turin and Sanchez bonkers, and is perhaps the source of their eye-rolling approach to Creed. I sense it even in myself. I've been wearing Tabarome Millesime all week, and I'm almost afraid to admit it for fear of coming off as a fanboy.

    SO........

    Thank goodness for all the folks here who don't get Creed. Say it loud and proud. This place could not stay real without you.
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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by Louslice View Post
    Don't pay too much attention to Turin's reviews. They have some entertainment value, but you can't take them too seriously.
    Agree.

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    Default Re: Seriously, why do Turn & Sanchez hate Creed so much?

    Quote Originally Posted by sarıpatates View Post
    For many reasons I must say it comes off as if it's tailored for bling rather than taste.
    If there were any rap songs that included frag brands, I'm sure creed would be top runner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarıpatates View Post
    I haven't smelled or heard about creed until I visited basenotes.
    For many reasons I must say it comes off as if it's tailored for bling rather than taste.
    If there were any rap songs that included frag brands, I'm sure creed would be top runner.
    Yeah, the first thing that came to mind when I sampled Millesime Imperiale was "ghetto fabulous." I could picture a blinged-out thug with gold teeth and a Lexus wearing that frag. I do like a couple Creeds but even the ones that I like are not worth it for the price, IMO.

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    The Creed hate with those two is undeniable. I see a lot of it on Basenotes, too, and I don't get it. While we're on the subject, I will throw in my 2 cents and skip the conjecture.

    Royal Scottish Lavender is much better than the review Turin gave it. The Seville lavender used has a wonderful resinous quality that is not muted by the clove at all. There is even a nice fruitiness to it with the Creed ambergris and sandalwood base. At times it smells almost like watermelon and reminds me of Olivia Giacobetti's Tilleuil for Dorsay, a favorite of my husband's. The ambergris is definitely real, nice and salty, and my cat always licks my wrist when I wear it.

    My husband wears Green Irish Tweed for formal occasions, Geranium Pour Monsieur to go out and Tilleuil in the summer. There is no comparison between Green Irish Tweed and Cool Water.

    I bought his mother Spring Flower for Christmas one year, and she loves it. She never knew I was into perfume or knew what to get me as a gift, but she thought of me while she was on vacation in Capri and told me she loves that perfume so much, came across Carthusia and wanted to return the favor. So, I told her I would love Caprissimo, being a green floral gal, and that she'd probably like Aria di Capri for herself

    Then my mother would love to wear orientals, but she suffers from migraines and gets rashes from some perfumes. Her sense of smell is very keen, and she usually avoids perfumes. But she has worn L'Air du Temps her whole life. I bought her Coco one year for mother's day. The two are very similar, in that they are structured on an accord between benzyl salicylate and eugenol. When I spoke with her recently, I was surprised at another perfume I had completely forgotten buying for her. But she loves it, and it is Royal Water. "The pretty but masculine one for Di." My mother loves romance novels and genealogy, so the marketing wins her over. But she likes the citrus, basil and musk with a touch of peach aldehyde in it. It makes sense in perspective.

    There is a perfume for everyone, but I love Creed. I think they're as good as any other house, worth the price tag, but a matter of taste. My relatives are so white, too, directed at the ghetto comments! We love fried chicken and are good dancers, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    I think it's admirable that you're giving them a try - but no problem if they never ring your bell. There are some well-respected niche houses here that simply never clicked for me. Some worked for me after repeated testing, but others are still not making progress.

    I recommend trying some of the offbeat citrus Creeds like Bois de Cedrat. That's the first Creed that really made sense to me.

    There is something very interesting and noteworthy about how Creed comes up in radio interviews with either Luca or Tania. Even the most perfume-savvy interviewers tend to come across like a new BNer. They have "heard" - somehow - that Creed is the best, the oldest, the gold standard against which all of perfumery is measured. I sense a certain patient exasperation in the inevitable reeducation which follows, even though it is done with great respect and courtesy. Frankly, Creed's success at distorting the reality of the fragrance world at the entry level of this hobby - though done with all the good-intentioned capitalist gusto of any fragrance maker - must drive Turin and Sanchez bonkers, and is perhaps the source of their eye-rolling approach to Creed. I sense it even in myself. I've been wearing Tabarome Millesime all week, and I'm almost afraid to admit it for fear of coming off as a fanboy.

    SO........

    Thank goodness for all the folks here who don't get Creed. Say it loud and proud. This place could not stay real without you.
    Thanks Redneck for a very interesting and thought-provoking comment.

    What bothers me most about Creed is the dishonesty. False history and royal connections, okay fine, they aren't unique in bending the truth about their origins. But I've never heard such ridiculous marketing as I've heard from Creed sales associates. My jaw almost dropped in Bergdorf's when the sales associate told me with a straight face that Creed's natural materials or whatever had the magical property of "neutralizing free radicals." I mean, come ON! This is perfume, not antioxidant-rich health food!

    Undoubtedly, this absurd sales-speak contributes to the irritation that Redneck points out. It certainly doesn't encourage me to want to try the line out. I mean, Chanel and Guerlain don't have to tell me how unique and special their ingredients are. One sniff can tell me that.

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