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    Default Can't there at least be one house?

    I am getting baffled as my journey continues into the fragrance world. Can't there at least be one house that makes all qualtiy scents with everything like the scent, longevity and sillage. I think that if I was a top class fragrance designer I would not let anything leave my lab that did not meat these standards. It just seems like poor work. If I were to do my job half assed I would be fired. Am I being a little weird here? Should I be expecting so much from fragrances. Anyone want to start thier own line with me, LOL!

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    i think yves st laurant is fairly stable

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    I've yet to smell a single line where I like every fragrance, even in my top three ( ironically, some of my favorite houses make some of my least favorite frags! )

    A lot of it is very subjective, even to some extent with more concrete things like sillage and longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    i think yves st laurant is fairly stable
    Yeah, but they make mostly shitty frags. *runs and hide*

    Go Dior! Especially their pour Femme frags are sillage monsters,
    with Tony-grrreat longevity. Goes for most pour Homme too!
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    My take on it is thus...perfumery is art. Art is obviously subjective. But the artists (in general) I appreciate (as artists) the most, are the ones who aren't afraid to push the envelope. To test people's boundaries. A lot of times (IMO) that results in someone smelling one of their pieces and saying, "ewww, gross! they want me to wear that!?" But then, twenty years down the line that original (disgusting) idea has been explored and results in a new genre which everyone raves about as "revolutionary." The end-product of which would never have been conceived had it not been for that one artist who wasn't afraid to be ridiculed. If I like everything I smell, then somebody's not trying hard enough. Somebody's playing it too safe. That's my .02 anyway.

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    to make anything "brilliant", you also run the risk of having someone else hate it. The only way to fail is to try to please everyone a little bit and no one a lot. What you may hate, others may love. So I'd say look more towards consistently "interesting" brands. Risk=Reward.

    One of my favorites is YSL, I find most of theirs decent quality, interesting, and affordable, consistently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Grand Duc View Post
    Yeah, but they make mostly shitty frags. *runs and hide*

    Go Dior! Especially their pour Femme frags are sillage monsters,
    with Tony-grrreat longevity. Goes for most pour Homme too!
    you should be happy you live in europe boy lol that dior homme intense doesnt stand a chance to rive gauche or body kouros lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsmellzalot View Post
    My take on it is thus...perfumery is art. Art is obviously subjective. But the artists (in general) I appreciate (as artists) the most, are the ones who aren't afraid to push the envelope. To test people's boundaries. A lot of times (IMO) that results in someone smelling one of their pieces and saying, "ewww, gross! they want me to wear that!?" But then, twenty years down the line that original (disgusting) idea has been explored and results in a new genre which everyone raves about as "revolutionary." The end-product of which would never have been conceived had it not been for that one artist who wasn't afraid to be ridiculed. If I like everything I smell, then somebody's not trying hard enough. Somebody's playing it too safe. That's my .02 anyway.
    I like your thoughts on this. I still think that anything that is made should have great longevity. The others I can see being not so great. I believe a fragrance should really have holding power no matter if it subtle or not appealing to someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    you should be happy you live in europe boy lol that dior homme intense doesnt stand a chance to rive gauche or body kouros lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Grand Duc View Post
    Cat Fight ... time for a new poll! Dior vs. YSL - though it's a given!

    oh god lol funny pic

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    Which once again proves that one man's cup of tea, is another mans poison.
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    Tommy Bahama has yet to make a fragrance I hate. It's designer, but they make quality scents, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geikamir View Post
    Tommy Bahama has yet to make a fragrance I hate. It's designer, but they make quality scents, IMO.
    I agree, but what you and I love, others may despise. It's truly a matter of your standards, to me Fahrenheit is the perfect fragrance; it lasts long, it projects well, and it's as unique as they come. To me there are very few perfect fragrances and I've been into fragrances for quite some time. Be patient Mickers, you're not just gonna find your perfect fragrance in a week, a month for even a year. It's gonna take a long time, you can come on Basenotes, and ask for recommendations, but the truth is that everyone has different standards. Good Luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron199 View Post
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    Some folks like a good skin scent, or might be in a situation that requires no sillage. Many ingredients by their nature just don't have the chemical wherewithal to maintain longevity. This isn't the fault of the house; it's something that companies like Firmenich need to continue to work on. Plus, houses usually have several perfumers they work with, and those perfumers often have certain aroma chemicals they prefer to use. If a house instructs its nose to avoid using A, B, and C because of longevity issues, what's left? Sometimes you have to sacrifice an aspect to get something that's new, unique, and wonderful, and most houses probably don't want to be known as the company whose scents all smell basically the same.
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    I appreciate the replys. All good things to take into consideration. I just need to my favs. That's what I like about this journey, it's never going to end. There are so many fragrances out there to find!

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    There's too many variables to get an entire house with all great fragrances.

    Perfumer's and buyer's tastes are just too different to have all great offerings.

    The longevity issue is also too variable. Some notes; citrus for example, is just too volatile to last as long as say, woody notes. So, right form the start, a citrus fragrance would tend to disqualify and not meet your standards, no matter how good it is.

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    If it's of any consolation Lacoste, CK, Nautica, Claiborne and other houses that I can't think of right now, are all notorious for having fragrances with very poor longevity. There are a few exceptions amongst those houses though.

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    It is so subjective that the only chance is to try as many scents as possible. In my case, it took me two years to understand, among many things, that Guerlain is my favorite house, that YSL's comes second, that Chanel and Hermes reformulated many of their scents making them unworthy of purchasing full bottles, etc. etc.

    PS: And most surprising at all, I found that some knock-offs are better than their original versions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Moon View Post
    There's too many variables to get an entire house with all great fragrances.

    Perfumer's and buyer's tastes are just too different to have all great offerings.

    The longevity issue is also too variable. Some notes; citrus for example, is just too volatile to last as long as say, woody notes. So, right form the start, a citrus fragrance would tend to disqualify and not meet your standards, no matter how good it is.
    I am really surpeised by the longevity and sillage that I get out Versace eau fraiche. This fragrance works extremely well for me. I am happy about this one as I really love the fragrance. Issey Miyake holds for a long time too. Some of them have holding power. I hope one day I can figure out why.
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    Why? Who cares which house makes which frag. as long as there are plenty of good ones out there (there are!)? If one house was head and shoulders above the others (and it was well known) don't you think you'd be paying huge money for those frags? I'm very pleased with the way things are, because I can get great frags for not much more than the price of deodorant stick at Walmart! LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mickers View Post
    I am getting baffled as my journey continues into the fragrance world. Can't there at least be one house that makes all qualtiy scents with everything like the scent, longevity and sillage. I think that if I was a top class fragrance designer I would not let anything leave my lab that did not meat these standards. It just seems like poor work. If I were to do my job half assed I would be fired. Am I being a little weird here? Should I be expecting so much from fragrances. Anyone want to start thier own line with me, LOL!
    But you're assuming that the scent, longevity and sillage, while not aligned with your tastes isn't suited perfectly for someone else. Say you like fresh scents with super crazy sillage and longevity. That's fine, but what if I don't like fresh scents that are really loud, and like more subdued orientals? What I'm getting at is that scent itself is subjective, so to assume that your tastes should be the standard for a scent that is released is not fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    you should be happy you live in europe boy lol that dior homme intense doesnt stand a chance to rive gauche or body kouros lol.
    Let's get ready to rumble!!! Ding ding ding! LOL...

    I echo the sentiment by DavidBond007, sans Rive Gauche since I'm not familiar with it. YSL is very solid for the most part. The only ones I don't care for are Kouros (though I've smelled worse) and L'Homme for it's horrible longevity (though it smells nice).

    As for Dior, I don't like anything by them (talking about male frags, not familiar with their perfumes) except Fahrenheit 32 which smells grrrrrrrreat in it's own right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    But you're assuming that the scent, longevity and sillage, while not aligned with your tastes isn't suited perfectly for someone else. Say you like fresh scents with super crazy sillage and longevity. That's fine, but what if I don't like fresh scents that are really loud, and like more subdued orientals? What I'm getting at is that scent itself is subjective, so to assume that your tastes should be the standard for a scent that is released is not fair.
    +1

    I actually prefer houses that release fragrances based on how they smell, as opposed to longevity, sillage, etc. Some houses that are more artistically directed, will even sacrifice longevity and sillage in order to achieve certain artistic ends (eg. using an aromachemical that doesn't last, but smells better, versus one that lasts forever, but doesn't compliment the fragrance).
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    I have had the same frustration as the OP.

    When I think of longevity or (reasonable) sillage, to me this equates to the quality of the product. I understand and accept scents can be subjective but when these expensive niche fragrances fails to deliver on the quality of its product it is a big disappointment. Like I would expect expensive watches and cars to be long lasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post
    I actually prefer houses that release fragrances based on how they smell, as opposed to longevity, sillage, etc. Some houses that are more artistically directed, will even sacrifice longevity and sillage in order to achieve certain artistic ends (eg. using an aromachemical that doesn't last, but smells better, versus one that lasts forever, but doesn't compliment the fragrance).
    I couldn't agree with you more. I go by what the initial smell is, if it attracts me or not. If it lasts long or projects nicely.. then that's just a bonus.; if it doesn't I may not buy it again. The beauty of basenotes though.. at least for me is seeing more info on the fragrance that I already like (longevity, sillage, middle and base notes)
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    I guess nobody is perfect, including fragrance houses. But if I had to pick a house that has impressed me the most I would say it would be Theirry Mugler. The longevity and silage on their stuff is great and the scents are very unique and imo good. Sure some might be better than others and some I may not wear but I still like and appreciate everything I have tried from them so far in the mens line, minus PC and Sunessence (have not tried these)

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    As far as good scents with acceptable sillage and good longevity go, Knize has batted 1.000 for me (Ten, Forest, and Two. I haven't tried Knize Sec, Lady Knize, or Belle Epoque) even though I doubt there's a single safe blind buy in the lineup.

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    More of a vagabond than a homeowner, myself. Guess domesticity does not suit me.

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    ...and supposed there is indeed ONE house that offers all those: quality, artistry, sillage/projection & longevity that meet your expectations. And they know in the absence of worthy competitors they can charge you $1000 per oz. What then, huh? Surrender your bank account?
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