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    Bond's PR is trying to do some damage control, but instead they're digging themselves a deeper hole:
    http://thenonblonde.blogspot.com/200...bond-no-9.html

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    Collectors of Colt Peacemaker revolvers which were produced between 1873 and 1941 should expect instructions on where to bring their weapons so that a bulldozer may roll them back into sheets and not sully the name Peace on Earth. Did someone mention Bing Crosby's estate?

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    I would not be surprised if this whole Bond no. 9 bizz is based on some clever use of gas chromatography techniques.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the non blonde View Post
    Bond's PR is trying to do some damage control, but instead they're digging themselves a deeper hole:
    http://thenonblonde.blogspot.com/200...bond-no-9.html
    oh my GOD! This is ridiculous though it makes me a little happy because I really did like ONLY TWO of their fragrances (Fire Island and Silver Factory) and now I am SURE to not waste my money... and my original OH MY GOD refers to the response found in the link above... Zorn SIMPLY stated the facts... any repercussions are not her responsibility! And she was in her right to do so! I can't believe this... I really hope those who have the power to do something about this do (perhaps basenoters who are journalists or who live near their stores and can pass out information.) I know that my thinking about retribution is a bit immature but attacking perfumers and artists, doing something I can only dream of, is cold and, in a way, insane. I'll do what I can as well, whatever little it may be (telling my friends and family, etc not to buy any Bond No.9 products).

    I know thanks sound strange in a situation like this, but thank you for bringing this to our attention.
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    You know, and just today i thought i'd like to get my gf and me into some of Bond's stuff, to sort of broaden our frag horizons.

    I'm so glad i read this post. This kind of corporate bullying and imperial enterprising must stop. And the only way to make a tangible impact is to refuse to endorse it by buying from ruthless and money-hungry companies like Bond.

    Peep this, Laurice Rahme: You just lost a potential customer over your greedy BS. Do us all a favour and PEACE THE FUCK OUT.

    Creed's better anyway. Sue me.

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    Any time I ever speak to someone about Bond from now on, it will be unfavorable review.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nthny View Post
    oh my GOD! and my original OH MY GOD refers to the response found in the link above... Zorn SIMPLY stated the facts... any repercussions are not her responsibility! And she was in her right to do so! I can't believe this... I really hope those who have the power to do something about this do (perhaps basenoters who are journalists or who live near their stores and can pass out information.)
    I'd like to add here, as I did in thenonblond thread, that Lizz did NOT call anyone. Neither did I when I got the letter about Riverside last January. Lizz' letter was non-confrontational and factual. This is interesting to see being played out. Verrrrrryyyy interesting ;-)

    Peace out, as Lizz always says (she and I are good friends, BTW, so we are in contact behind the scenes as the saga continues, just staying calm and sitting back and watching the show.)

    Thank you, everyone, for your insights. I know you need not support us directly in this, we're actually way beyond caring what Bond does, but the public perspective is heartening.

    Maybe the attorney who wrote me and deemed Rahme as having achieved "notoriety" was psychic ;-)
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    Ahh Bond No. 9, they were the house i loved to hate even before this nonsense!

    Still, I really do like Aurelien Guichard's Chinatown and Michel Almairac's Fire Island... and the fact I can pick up Creed at 50% off at one of Bond's Madison Avenue shops. how long are they going to keep up the "Creed Liquidation", as the sign in the window states? it's been YEARS! Laurice seems to be in permanent liquidation mode of anyone who doesn't see things her way.
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    So she’s aspiring for the heights of litigious idiocy, and achieving a level near McDonald’s notion that an entire country north of England stole their prefix. At least she’s not likely to be as well armed as the Micky Mafia. Nobody messes with the mouse!
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    Ms. Rahme must have little confidence in the quality of her product, if she has to resort to this.

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    From the follow-up response from the Bond Guys:

    wo Springs ago she had the idea to launch a Peace fragrance at the United Nations and donate to UNICEF for that first year. Since 2007, the donations have been to Seeds of Peace (http://seedsofpeace.org/), and Laurice continues to donate for Peace. The Scent of Peace is a top selling fragrance which allows us to donate a large amount of money to charity, and we're very pleased
    Yes, she came up with the idea all on her own. I'm sure it had nothing to do with Creed's Love in White and it's whole charity thing. Go ahead, Laurice, keep telling everyone how it's important to protect your "original" ideas when they are nearly all clones.

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    I am just plain baad.
    I own Anya's Riverside, and just bought me a big ole bottle of P@%&E...

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    Quote Originally Posted by somethinpositiv View Post
    Laurice is a SKANK.
    We get it. You don't like Bond. I understand this as I don't care for them either. However this is getting personal and needs to stop. It's unnecessary and subsequent posts of this ilk are going to be removed.

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    I would personally like to take a vow to NOT support the above mentioned company. Hey, I live in Mexico, so I think I can say...Bond No.9 without fear of being sued.

    We can correct this with out wallets. Let's support real "Peace" lovers (like Liz Zorn) and not support those that don't deserve our money.

    Anyone else want to take the vow?

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    I'm sure many of you have noticed that Bond No. 9 is guilty for "remixing" fragrances that already exist and releasing them as their own. In fact, the word "remixing" is rather conservative - I'd go as far as to call it plagiarism. At least they were smart about it: most of Bond No. 9's "unoriginal" fragrances are based on top sellers or fragrances with cult followings...

    Some Bond No. 9 fragrances that I've noticed have ripped off other fragrances:

    Scent of Peace: Light Blue by D & G
    Wall Street: Erolfa/Millesime Imperial by Creed
    Chez Bond: Green Irish Tweed by Creed
    New Haarlem: Rochas Man (and by the same perfumer too! ie. Maurice Roucel)
    Nuits de Noho: Angel by Thierry Mugler
    Hamptons: Silver Mountain Water by Creed

    On the other hand, some fragrances by Bond No. 9, like West Side, Coney Island and Chinatown are pretty unique and original. Or am I wrong? Are these fragrances (or others from Bond No. 9) also just rip-offs of other previous releases I haven't had the chance to smell?
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    If there's one thing that sours me to a house, it is blatant plagiarism.

    Montale has done it, although theirs seem to have at least enough tweaks to make it slightly different or worth investigating to fans of the original. Bond has (supposedly) done it, as you mentioned in all the examples above, although I am not familiar enough to say for certain. It seems that Gianni Campagna did it as well with their eponymous EDT, another riff on TdH. Xerjoff has done it, too, with their Oesel being 95% identical to Fleur du Male (I skin tested these side by side) and Mefisto about 85% identical to SMW (or maybe Hamptons, too?)
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    I won't disagree that there are similarities in the pairings you mention, but to my mind (and nose) they are different enough to beat a plagiarism rap on all pairs mentioned. Similar styles, yes, but no more than that. I wouldn't even say unoriginal. Maybe just following a well-worn path on some. And I find a few, like Riverside Drive, very original. I agree that the New Haarlem / Rochas Man pair is pretty blatant similarity, but coffee is coffee is coffee, and you pretty much can't do a coffee gourmand any more without ripping off Starbucks one way or another.

    Still, you have a valid point that Bond plays it safe or somewhat forgettable on many frags, and rarely takes big chances, IMO. You can almost always find a prior success story which points the same way. Is that smart or crass? I would say smart, but sometimes I wish they would take more risks.
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    remember guys the president of bond was the former president of creed

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    I have been thinking about this. Several economic crisis had an impact on purchasing power thus the market is full of knock offs and, surprise, some of them are darn good, sometimes I would say even better than the original ones. Take Paco Rabanne pour Homme: the present-day version of the original PRpH can't be compared to the old one for this one is quite lame. Well, some local knock offs are in some way reminiscent of the original formula for they can reproduce quite faithfully the dirty / sexy note so prevalent in the original one. This means that my knock - off version of PRpH is quite good, albeit less complex though. I found some of them diverge distinctly from the original ones in a good way. Or better still, some that are not sold as knock offs are made according to a reference that you can identify in any other stage of the scent's evolution - I guess the principle that states that imitation is the best way of flattering is alive and kicking in the perfume industry on a global basis.

    So, the point would be: making a knock-off, twicking it for the better and selling it under a high - end marketing mix (claim a superior product, sell it in exclusive stores, charge a very high price, and if resources are available, advertise in media targetted to the rich) would make an excellent business. I frankly think that some niche houses are working under this scheme - months ago, when trying Creed's Himalaya and Green Irish Tweed I realized they were very similar to Paco Rabanne's XS and Davidoff's Cool Water. I would not be surprised if Bond does the same.

    Luckily, for the discerning perfumista, this, sooner or later, comes to be evident.

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    I'm with SculptureOfSoul in that I think Bond gets a bad rap for doing something that pretty much everyone in the industry does. Creed has been "remixing" GIT for 25 years now. JC Ellena has been "remixing" Declaration for years now. 90% of the vetiver scents out there "remix" Guerlain's Vetiver, which is supposedly just a "remix" of Givenchy's. Almost every niche house has a green lily/cucumber/aloe fruity floral. And most of them have some sort of cedar incense, too.

    To be honest, there are very few original ideas in perfumery, it would seem. To take it a step further, according to Burr, mainstream fragrances are basically required to smell "familiar", meaning that to some extent, every mass release is a "remix" of familiar notes.

    For miscellaneous reasons, perfumistas seem to dislike Latrice, the head of Bond, so she gets a lot of crap thrown at her that could easily be applied to the industry as a whole (focus on bottles instead of quality juice, perfume as a commodity instead of art, ridiculous markups, exorbitantly high prices for the sake of luxury marketing, etc)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogalal View Post
    I'm with SculptureOfSoul in that I think Bond gets a bad rap for doing something that pretty much everyone in the industry does. Creed has been "remixing" GIT for 25 years now. JC Ellena has been "remixing" Declaration for years now. 90% of the vetiver scents out there "remix" Guerlain's Vetiver, which is supposedly just a "remix" of Givenchy's. Almost every niche house has a green lily/cucumber/aloe fruity floral. And most of them have some sort of cedar incense, too.

    To be honest, there are very few original ideas in perfumery, it would seem. To take it a step further, according to Burr, mainstream fragrances are basically required to smell "familiar", meaning that to some extent, every mass release is a "remix" of familiar notes.

    For miscellaneous reasons, perfumistas seem to dislike Latrice, the head of Bond, so she gets a lot of crap thrown at her that could easily be applied to the industry as a whole (focus on bottles instead of quality juice, perfume as a commodity instead of art, ridiculous markups, exorbitantly high prices for the sake of luxury marketing, etc)
    WORD. All so true. But I take issue with your Freudian slip. "Latrice?" Even the worst Bond-hater would be hard-pressed to come up with that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogalal View Post
    I'm with SculptureOfSoul in that I think Bond gets a bad rap for doing something that pretty much everyone in the industry does. Creed has been "remixing" GIT for 25 years now. JC Ellena has been "remixing" Declaration for years now. 90% of the vetiver scents out there "remix" Guerlain's Vetiver, which is supposedly just a "remix" of Givenchy's. Almost every niche house has a green lily/cucumber/aloe fruity floral. And most of them have some sort of cedar incense, too.

    To be honest, there are very few original ideas in perfumery, it would seem. To take it a step further, according to Burr, mainstream fragrances are basically required to smell "familiar", meaning that to some extent, every mass release is a "remix" of familiar notes.

    For miscellaneous reasons, perfumistas seem to dislike Latrice, the head of Bond, so she gets a lot of crap thrown at her that could easily be applied to the industry as a whole (focus on bottles instead of quality juice, perfume as a commodity instead of art, ridiculous markups, exorbitantly high prices for the sake of luxury marketing, etc)
    I agree with you, and Pollux, that some of this "recycling" of well-known scents is sometimes a necessary evil within the economy, and also a common sight (or smell, for that matter) within the fragrance industry. I actually think Bond No. 9 did a pretty good job creating new scents based on older ones, but I think it's a bit of a sell-out. Selling off artistic integrity and creative evolution for a nice pay check is nothing to be proud of. It's the fragrant equivalent of the Planet of the Apes remake - "enjoyable, but... didn't I see this movie already? And... wasn't it better the first time?"

    On the other hand, it's quite an ironic situation, because this constant remixing (or plagiarism!) isn't always the biggest money maker afterall; many of the currently top-selling fragrances around the world are the ones that were risky and revolutionary - the fragrances that smelled like nothing else out there when they were first released (Le Male, Aqua di Gio, Angel, Light Blue, Terre d'Hermes, Cool Water, Narciso Rodriguez for Her, Bulgari au The Vert, etc; athough that doesn't mean the market isn't flooded with imitations now). So even though Bond No. 9 is selling out, it's not making all the money it could have, if it had some creative balls. I think that with time, Bond No. 9 will die out and be exposed for what it is - overpriced juice that's 90% the same as other designer fragrances out there (that are just as good). Furthermore, Bond No. 9 has now released so many fragrances that they seem to have buried themselves in their own shit, so to speak. I haven't seen much enthusiasm at all for most of their recent releases here on BN.

    In the end, plagiarism (call it what you want to call it) is just negative in most respects.

    Anyway, let's get back to topic here: So what else has Bond No. 9 blatantly copied?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    If there's one thing that sours me to a house, it is blatant plagiarism.

    Montale has done it, although theirs seem to have at least enough tweaks to make it slightly different or worth investigating to fans of the original. Bond has (supposedly) done it, as you mentioned in all the examples above, although I am not familiar enough to say for certain. It seems that Gianni Campagna did it as well with their eponymous EDT, another riff on TdH. Xerjoff has done it, too, with their Oesel being 95% identical to Fleur du Male (I skin tested these side by side) and Mefisto about 85% identical to SMW (or maybe Hamptons, too?)
    Montale is guilty of self-plagiarism (or just plain laziness..).
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    whats new about this?!

    Guerlain and Creed has done it..so why would it be such a big deal....

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    I think each or most house should aspire to have its own offering of a chypre, its own fougere offering, its own oriental, its own vetiver, and so on with citrus or floral, animalistic, or lavender, or whatever more standard category, but I too find the copy cat and "plagiarized" scents (for lack of a better term) very distasteful.
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    L`Aventurier - you talk about perfumery as the art, and Bond #9 just call it business.
    That`s the difference.
    Nobody blames Toyota, Nissan etc. for taking Jeep idea "car off-road 4x4"

    And when some people called it plagiarism - others called it "art-movement"

    Actually I`m not a fan of Bond #9, and I never bought it. I believe never will buy.
    And that`s is the best way to stop plagiarism - or cheer up the creativity of perfume brands.
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    I don't think Bond is the lone culprit. For example, there have been numerous ripoffs/clones/variations/versions of Acqua di Gio made by many different houses.
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