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    Can them. They don't need your decanting business when they already make an awful lotta of moneyz selling their overpriced juices in pretty bottles to the gullible and to the "tres chic". It is so obvious they want to keep their reputation as uber exclusive. I remeber including a link to a member's question on where to get cheap bond samples to an ebay's seller site who sold packages of ten bond samples for twenty dollars. That was 17 mls of all bonds for 20 $ and guess what??!! The seller vanished the very next day!

  2. #92

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    Quote Originally Posted by buzzley View Post
    I don't think trademark infringement is exactly what this is, and I don't have any particular feelings toward Bond No. 9 one way or the other, but I do see their point. To me, selling decants of fragrances is like buying an album, recording a song from it, and then selling that song to others. I can't imagine that being considered legal or ethical. Small samples are probably OK (although I think they should be offered free by the manufacturers), and decants given to friends may be OK, but selling substantial decants of commercially sold fragrances seems a bit iffy to me, and making an entire business of it seems pretty shady. To put it another way, if someone were buying Tide detergent, repackaging it in smaller amounts, and reselling it for profit without a licensing agreement, do you think that Procter and Gamble would not be all over them?
    This is the view I am taking on this debate.

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    Banned No. 9

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    Anyone want a PR job at Bond? Lol. Noticeably absent from job requirements is anything about promoting a positive brand image.

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    I realize that Bond will continue to take down inflammatory remarks from their FaceBook page, but I say we keep putting them up there! Eventually others will see them, and the word will get spread!
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    Well, the thread is great and hot!
    I`ll never buy Bond#9 scents they produce (and never did). That`s not my business - I prefer human relations with customers. Boycott!!!

    By the way - could we read some tweet message about this Basenotes thread soon? )))
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    Damn! They took down my comment and the other guy's comment on their Facebook page. I don't think you should have the right to edit your own page.
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    Screw Bond#9, never cared for them, they will lose business. Creed forever!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    Screw Bond#9, never cared for them, they will lose business. Creed forever!!
    David, I understand you love Creed. But I'm just wondering, after you explore and purchase all of the Creeds you want, are you going to move on to other houses? (This wasn't meant as a dig, I'm genuinely curious)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    David, I understand you love Creed. But I'm just wondering, after you explore and purchase all of the Creeds you want, are you going to move on to other houses? (This wasn't meant as a dig, I'm genuinely curious)
    Well I have explored the designer market quite a bit way before i went to niche. I think I can explore Le Labo, Frederic Malle, Serge Lutens,etc. Nonetheless, it is hard to beat Creed because of their quality, I have never smelled another fragrance house that can match the quality. I will probably stay with niche, check the designers like YSl which i like but I will probably stick with Creed as my main guy at least for now. I learned to never say never lol. Nonetheless, I will probably never buy a bond #9 cologne.
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    David,

    You really should check out Amouage and Xerjoff. IMO they surpass the quality of most Creeds (doesn't mean I don't love me some Creeds, though! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    David,

    You really should check out Amouage and Xerjoff. IMO they surpass the quality of most Creeds (doesn't mean I don't love me some Creeds, though! )
    I will make note of this thanks Soul

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    Well I have explored the designer market quite a bit way before i went to niche. I think I can explore Le Labo, Frederic Malle, Serge Lutens,etc. Nonetheless, it is hard to beat Creed because of their quality, I have never smelled another fragrance house that can match the quality. I will probably stay with niche, check the designers like YSl which i like but I will probably stick with Creed as my main guy at least for now. I learned to never say never lol. Nonetheless, I will probably never buy a bond #9 cologne.
    Good to hear! I like your enthusiasm, I just wanted to make sure you didn't pigeonhole yourself into one house, and miss out on all the other great stuff out there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Good to hear! I like your enthusiasm, I just wanted to make sure you didn't pigeonhole yourself into one house, and miss out on all the other great stuff out there!
    Absolutely! I like SoS's recommendation of Amouage. I think this is a great suggestion for David.

    I understand this kind of nebulous "quality" thing that David talks about, and that lots of people associate with Creeds. I don't think it's so much that the scents themselves are better than what others are offering. It's more that questionable scents are kept out of the lineup - a kind of selectivity - the fact that nothing really half-assed gets rolled out. Everything seems finely crafted, whether it's aimed at youngsters or stuffy old farts. Amouage is like that. I also think that The Different Company does this. Every scent seems to be done with care, and it creates an aura around the whole lineup.

    I think Bond has, to some extent, done this as well, but lately they seem to have moved to a model of rolling out lots of new products, and it has me a bit baffled. It doesn't fit the image, IMO. Cracking the whip on decants doesn't seem to make sense, either.

    One possibility - Bond's "bonbon box" is basically a competitor with decants. It's a great way to sample the line, and the money goes straight to Bond. I get the feeling that this little tempest may be protective of Bond's own "decant" business.

    Times are tough. I smell economics behind this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtgprox05 View Post
    Good to hear! I like your enthusiasm, I just wanted to make sure you didn't pigeonhole yourself into one house, and miss out on all the other great stuff out there!
    I get you for sure, i have tried many it is just tough these days to beat Creed since so many of these fragrance houses are nearly totally synthetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Absolutely! I like SoS's recommendation of Amouage. I think this is a great suggestion for David.

    I understand this kind of nebulous "quality" thing that David talks about, and that lots of people associate with Creeds. I don't think it's so much that the scents themselves are better than what others are offering. It's more that questionable scents are kept out of the lineup - a kind of selectivity - the fact that nothing really half-assed gets rolled out. Everything seems finely crafted, whether it's aimed at youngsters or stuffy old farts. Amouage is like that. I also think that The Different Company does this. Every scent seems to be done with care, and it creates an aura around the whole lineup.

    I think Bond has, to some extent, done this as well, but lately they seem to have moved to a model of rolling out lots of new products, and it has me a bit baffled. It doesn't fit the image, IMO. Cracking the whip on decants doesn't seem to make sense, either.

    One possibility - Bond's "bonbon box" is basically a competitor with decants. It's a great way to sample the line, and the money goes straight to Bond. I get the feeling that this little tempest may be protective of Bond's own "decant" business.

    Times are tough. I smell economics behind this.
    not just the fragrances being well made but you can smell the naturalness in them. Creed is nearly all natural and one can smell that, in other frags i have messed with especially in the designer realm smell way too synthetic and i am not a big fan of that.Creed to me is about elegance and uniqueness that only a select few wear them and in most cases people of high society since they are not cheap, and to risk sounding as an elitist I kind of like that where so few wear them.

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    Well, Creed - and really any of the exclusive houses (Amouage, Xerjoff, MPG, LV, etc) are usually rather far from all natural, but that's not the point. They use enough naturals (often expensive floral absolutes, woods and resins, etc) and bolster them and augment them with synthetics in such a way that you get the best of both worlds: the fullness, richness and depth of naturals, and the modern sparkle, lift, longevity and diffusion of synthetics.

    I wonder what the % of naturals really are in the Xerjoffs, Amouages, and Creeds of the world. Would be interesting to know!
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  18. #108

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    creed is around 80%

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    Default Re: Bond No. 9 demanding PerfumedCourt stop selling decants

    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    Well, Creed - and really any of the exclusive houses (Amouage, Xerjoff, MPG, LV, etc) are usually rather far from all natural, but that's not the point. They use enough naturals (often expensive floral absolutes, woods and resins, etc) and bolster them and augment them with synthetics in such a way that you get the best of both worlds: the fullness, richness and depth of naturals, and the modern sparkle, lift, longevity and diffusion of synthetics.

    I wonder what the % of naturals really are in the Xerjoffs, Amouages, and Creeds of the world. Would be interesting to know!
    Yes - this is exactly where the Creed EDTs get me. BdC, BdG, Epicea, Neroli Sauvage - I just smell them side-by side with modern designer doing light citrus, juniper, pine, or neroli, and the difference blows me away. Some of these analogous designer frags will elicit a brief notice from people around me, or maybe a momentary compliment, but these Creeds tend to get people to make repetitive compliments. (<sniff> "That's good." <sniff> "That's really good." <deep inhale> "What is that?") When I tried Neroli Sauvage the first time, the next three people I met complimented me on it, each separately without hearing the other. Freaky. It's like the difference between a leather seat where you sit down, and one where you sit down and start feeling it up, not caring what people might think.
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    Default Re: Bond No. 9 demanding PerfumedCourt stop selling decants

    Quote Originally Posted by the_good_life View Post
    Back on topic....

    Good one! And a nice laugh at the end, too.

    I'll be honest - I like several scents from Bond no.9, have no animosity toward the company, and have no intention of boycotting. I simply think it's a mistake to go after decants. Bond has effectively appealed to people in a Park Avenue way, but it needs to work on its Broadway appeal. Most people who buy decants are not the people who amass bottles willy-nilly - in many cases, in addition to serious niche samplers, they're folks like young people, or people on the way up, who need to watch their budget, and won't touch the product otherwise. I think it's silly to jump on decants. Turning off the people who in 10 years may very well be buying full bottles is not smart. Smart would be figuring out how to leverage decants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redneck Perfumisto View Post
    Back on topic....

    Good one! And a nice laugh at the end, too.

    I'll be honest - I like several scents from Bond no.9, have no animosity toward the company, and have no intention of boycotting. I simply think it's a mistake to go after decants. Bond has effectively appealed to people in a Park Avenue way, but it needs to work on its Broadway appeal. Most people who buy decants are not the people who amass bottles willy-nilly - in many cases, in addition to serious niche samplers, they're folks like young people, or people on the way up, who need to watch their budget, and won't touch the product otherwise. I think it's silly to jump on decants. Turning off the people who in 10 years may very well be buying full bottles is not smart. Smart would be figuring out how to leverage decants.
    Redneck, well said. Cultivating lifelong customer loyalty is good business sense. Read this again: LIFELONG. To alienate customers (esp. future buyers) is business insanity. I recall a disagreement with a local coffee house from years ago. To this day, I will go elsewhere for tea and coffee. For instance, Guerlain (although not niche) will always have my business, unless something drastically changes in customer service. Once a customer, one can receive samples of releases. Even niche house Ineke does this. Good business sense.

    The best advertising is a happy customer, the worst is an unhappy one. I still maintain TPC does a service for prospective perfume buyers. The concept of a sample clearinghouse is a valid one.
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    Hot thread and some interesting views. IMHO there are a couple of things that jump out with this issue.

    OK, a tweet? Usually any sort of cease and desist warning has to be sent by registered mail to hold up in court as having been sent and received if further action is going to be taken - at least as far as I am aware. Unless a tweet or facebook notice or email is just a 'friendly warning' prior to formal legal action being instigated.

    I agree that economics is the bottom-line here - quasi pun intended. And I think it's all to do with control over the customers purchasing decision making options. Sure, TPC bought the bottle they decant from so Bond gets it's mark up from the sale of that bottle. But if 10 people are buying 5ml or 10ml decants and decide 5 or 10ml is enough for their Bond experience of that scent then Bond have lost a sale. And given the thriving business in decants from TPC and the fact that we will never know how many decant purchasers go from decant to 'FB status' then it becomes clear, let's just say, that as many houses are losing sales of FBs as they might be picking up new customers of FBs because of the model TPC offer. The decant purchase option undermines their business - it's as simple as that.

    You could argue that Bond are pretty generous with their little bonbon samples and that could amount to the same thing (as being able to buy 'samples' or decants from TPC) but they have a degree of control over who receives them - the potential customer gets them from licensed retailers or by mail from the company correct? So the seller decides who receives them and the packaging is part of the experience and there is a sense of being 'given' something. There is a big difference in receiving a free pretty little sample from the seller to buying an anonymous looking vial of juice from an online company . . . for the general public at least (who I don't presume to speak for but allow me that observation, if you will ).

    Receiving a legit free bonbon, or a handful of them, from a retailer is the first subtle psychological step in a business relationship that may well bare fruit for the seller further down the line, or at least build some good PR so even if the potential customer doesn't like the scent he/she will be less inclined to diss the company. Bond and any other company is surely aware that if someone BUYS a sample and doesn't like it they will be pissed off and probably tell friends 'it was a waste of money'.

    With regard to the quality control issue, TPC seem to have a sterling reputaion BUT I think any perfume company could arguably make the case that by decanting perfume there is the possibilty for some degradation of quality through exposure to air, heat etc and the posiibility of mis-representation by a vial being mis-labelled thru human error. If it came to court this would be an interesting one to watch. Expert witnesses would need to be called, do TPC have 'laboratory conditions' etc etc

    Full disclosure regarding these two businesses and my thoughts on them. I bought a 50ml Chinatown as a collectors item and that's enough for me - I have samples a lot of their scents - more bonbons than I care to count - and I have yet to find one I would want to buy (altho I might one day). I see Bond as a cynical overpriced style over substance maketing exercise, frankly. I have only ever bought one decant from TPC a 'Vintage Apres l'Ondee' for a very high price, that lasted about 20 minutes before vanishing entirely - lolly water. I refuse to buy decants - if I want to sample a scent I will either get it free from the house or request a sample from Luckyscent or AZL or Perfume Shoppe when I purchase other stuff.

    Frankly I have no time for Bond or TPC - but good luck to them both with their respective business models, and I respect any individuals desire to purchase from either of them - it's a free world, spend your money where you will.
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    One more thing I'd like to point out, that may bare some interest, is that I firmly believe that TPC is only advancing Bond's exposure, and in turn, can only positively impact Bond's business. I keep hearing that Bond is, in effect, competing in the sample-selling business against TPC, but I just don't see how that's so. TPC, before they can sell the decants, must first purchase the bottles from Bond. Assuming that these are relatively good sellers for TPC, TPC may very well represent one of Bond's most consistent revenue streams. Second, aside from "those in the know" and those that shop at Saks, how many people know about Bond to begin with? TPC offers a wide selection of fragrances, and people who are on their site looking for things to sample, may very well be intrigued by a Bond and subsequently sample and eventually purchase a FB. If Bond is counting on word-of-mouth marketing from the relatively small market that know about them, I'm sure they could survive, but how could they possibly have a problem with a third-party that is giving them more exposure than they can do by themselves? I really, as has been stated previously, think it's a very bully-ish thing to do, but it doesn't really seem to make much business sense either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    creed is around 80%
    Just curious, but where does that number come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zizanioides View Post
    Just curious, but where does that number come from?
    ny fragrance blog stated that in a vid of his

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidBond007 View Post
    creed is around 80% (natural)
    lol.
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    Sales thread here

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    Quote Originally Posted by L'aventurier View Post
    lol.
    thank you sir for making it more specific. Dickhead!! lol Only joking , i picked it up from this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GfdG...eature=related
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    I wonder if, when calculating the % of "naturals", most houses count synthetically derived molecules that occur in nature, to be "natural."

    You could create a wildly unnatural jasmine using strange proportions of naturally occurring (but synthetically derived) molecules, and it would smell nothing like any real jasmine, and yet - if you didn't mind stretching the truth and being a bit misleading - say that it's "all natural."

    If that's the case, then the only truly synthetic portions of a fragrance would be the molecules that are not found in any living organism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SculptureOfSoul View Post
    I wonder if, when calculating the % of "naturals", most houses count synthetically derived molecules that occur in nature, to be "natural."

    You could create a wildly unnatural jasmine using strange proportions of naturally occurring (but synthetically derived) molecules, and it would smell nothing like any real jasmine, and yet - if you didn't mind stretching the truth and being a bit misleading - say that it's "all natural."

    If that's the case, then the only truly synthetic portions of a fragrance would be the molecules that are not found in any living organism.
    creed supposedly gets the vast majority of their stuff through natural sources, some is synthetic of course to ship it here.

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    Very odd move by Bond...TPC is giving them business by selling decants. Weird that this is coming from a company who created Chez Bond and Hamptons. It's a tough economy, though - People are on edge.

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