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    Default Re: Yves Saint Laurent: Why Can't I Find Their Better Frags?

    Quote Originally Posted by vulcan View Post
    You mean this store doesn't even sell ADG, Issey, Le Male, etc? Those are the top sellers.
    I doubt that. Take Givenchy for example - in Zagreb stores are pushing Play, Play intense, Very irresistible for men and its fresh version, Gentleman, Pour Homme and Blue Label, Pi - once upon a time you could find Xeryus Rouge and some others wich were sold out very fast. I'll agree that a lot of ppl are sheeps and buy only what's served but still, I think there are a lot who even today like very much those fragrances wich the store policy considers ˝old˝ and unpopular.

    Best sellers though, are always on the shelves and in abundance! Le Male, Fahrenheit, L'eau d' Issey etc. (no Kouros or Body Kouros)

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    And as far as what you have written above. What does that have to do with anything ? Pop culture ? Eminem ? What ? Saggin...... ? Is this a mens fragrance forum ? I don't get what you are saying. It may just be how you have worded it.

    PS :I don't listen to Eminem ( or any MTV "rapper") nor care for his music.
    That was meant as a joke. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeperez23 View Post
    In Europe, you can find almost the entire line in department stores. Even the body products (shower gels, soap, etc.) Strange, but true.
    sure, but strange? YSL is a french house.
    In spain you can find easily all the fragances of them : M7, jazz, opium,kouros, body kouros, rive gauche... even in small stores.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcan View Post
    You mean this store doesn't even sell ADG, Issey, Le Male, etc? Those are the top sellers.
    I missed to mention they carry classics that are still best sellers. But except for AdG, CW and the like, none with some years in the market: for example, they don't carry Davidoff's Adventure, but were the first ones to sell Hot Water.

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    Here in Kuala Lumpur it seems that 2-3 of the YSL counters have already closed down. I have not visited their flagship one for a long time but i do hope they still have the product line there. Seems that their new owners is trying to cut cost on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NDN-01 View Post
    That was meant as a joke. Sorry. Didn't mean to offend.
    No offense, I just didn't initially get it NDN-01. No harm, no foul.

    My comment above with regards to Body Kouros being passe was because YSL has moved their marketing stataggy from the Tom Ford-era fragrances. KMF also mentioned lack of sales, and he's 100% correct. Although I did smelled this on another man late last year. Strangely, we were the same age and "style". After smelling BK on him I was convinced that it was a scent that could work for me ( and it has, as I purchased a full bottle soon afterwards ). I used to be repulsed by it, actually .

    One last thing. The late 1990s and just at the start of 2000 saw a bit of a trend of mens "gourmands". Starting with Animale Animale in the mide 1990s. Then went on to include A*Men, Rochas Man, Nikos, Yohji Homme, Lolita Lempicka, Body Kouros and a few other decently popular fragrances. Those scents still sell well ( some much better than others), but gourmand is no longer a trend in mens designer fragrances ( although 2008's Givenchy Play Intense is, much to my dismay) . Thankfully, for me at least, Body Kouros isn't as gourmand as the others. Still a licorice vibe, coffee'd woods(?) and vanilla. But well crafted and has other things going on ( eucalyptus, incense...etc).
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    The first time I tried BK I was also appauled by it...the second time I've tried it, it was a catharsis for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
    One last thing. The late 1990s and just at the start of 2000 saw a bit of a trend of mens "gourmands". Starting with Animale Animale in the mide 1990s. Then went on to include A*Men, Rochas Man, Nikos, Yohji Homme, Lolita Lempicka, Body Kouros and a few other decently popular fragrances.
    Not to redirect the thread entirely, but you're very observant Surfacing. What do you see as the trend in mens scents that replaced the gourmand phase?

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    Yohji Homme is a fougere with light gourmand features, but it doesn't wear like a gourmand, nor does it even wear like a fresh oriental. Far from it. It wears like a rich fougere, grey and aloof, with light oriental features that peak in the heart, then almost completely give it up to the darker masculine fougere elements upon which it is built.

    Menardo used Yohji Homme as her inspiration for Body Kouros, but she laid on the benzoin, among other things, and it does wear like a sweet gourmand. Albeit without nearly as much complexity and genius of Yohji Homme, which isn't a gourmand.

    BK is a quality fragrance, but I like it better as a room spray. My girlfriend used to wear it and I never liked it because of the simple cotton candy radiance it put out. I'm surprised that men can wear it with any consistency. It smells nice, but turns into one of those that feels better to remove than to keep on. Mystery isn't its high point.

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    As far as the YSL products not being in Canada? Yves didn't like Canada, and didn't want his clothes, nor his fragrances being sold there.

    I don't think it's true.
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    If you're near toronto... I believe sephora carries Eau Sauvage, even Walmart carries Rive Gauche PH, and there are plenty of smaller shops that carry the various Kouros, to opium, and more. YSL stuff's around, maybe just not in mainstream stores as much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zgb View Post
    The first time I tried BK I was also appauled by it...the second time I've tried it, it was a catharsis for me
    Seems as though you and I have had the same experience. . One thing for sure, Body Kouros is not a safe blind buy

    Quote Originally Posted by StylinLA View Post
    Not to redirect the thread entirely, but you're very observant Surfacing. What do you see as the trend in mens scents that replaced the gourmand phase?
    ....Thanks StylinLA.

    Its hard to say. To be honest, I don't think there was a specific trend that followed the gourmand phase. Hmmm.....I just cannot pin point on specific trend after the 2000s. I may have wrote something in another thread, but honestly, no specific trend stands out until recently. Alot of lighter/airy/citrus and mild woods fragrances came out after 2006. Thats a 6 year gap. YSL L'homme, Gucci by Gucci Sport, Dior Homme Sport, Chrome Sport, Burberry Sport, The Beat, Lacoste Challenge ( but thats been Lacoste's "thing" for a while, no?)....etc. Thats just a few to name. What do you think ? Some merrit to that ?

    And what was with those two fragrance companies seemingly starting afresh ? Gucci and Yves Saint Laurant, that is. The old scents were not discontinued, but it seems they were starting something "new" with Gucci by Gucci and L'homme being released.

    PS: I forgot Cristobal by Balenciaga was a gourmand released in 2000. I was pumped about it at the time. Never really sat well with me. Really sharp opening ! But that was another department shop counter gourmand at the time.
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    This brings up one of those chicken/egg questions.

    Stores do not offer much of the YSL range because they "wouldn't sell," but are they not selling well because they aren't offered at stores? Or would they not sell either way?
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    Yup, the chicken/egg question.

    They had only 2 bottles YSL PH HC and NO testers (see my post above). The SA went downstairs in order to get a tester, but there was none, so she finally let me sample from one of the sealed bottles. At least they have a tester now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vulcan View Post
    Are there any Europeans here who can testify to the selection in your stores? And can you buy Body Kouros there?
    Rive Gauche PH is not on the Danish market at all.
    It's the only one from that house not avalible here!

    RG pour Femme is everywhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
    This brings up one of those chicken/egg questions.

    Stores do not offer much of the YSL range because they "wouldn't sell," but are they not selling well because they aren't offered at stores? Or would they not sell either way?
    I remember when a department store up here ( Sears) started to sell Rive Gauche pour Homme a couple of years ago. The next time I came ( 5 months later), they had them all on a clearance table for $25. Perhaps the top notes didn't hook in the sampler ? It also seems like alot of women do the fragrance shopping for "their man" up here. Anyways, the YSL wasn't lonely on the discount table. Obsession Night Man was there as well in full force

    Back on topic, I don't know if any of the pre-L'homme YSL scents would attract too many new men. I doubt it. But all the perfume kiosks and smaller shops carry them. Kouros included. I'm sure YSL has a huge loyal following.
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    It's probably better for YSL fans that their frags remain under-appreciated. And I can understand how their frags wouldn't appeal to most people since it's a house that likes to do interesting things. Actually, it's amazing their frags were ever popular.

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    Something tells me L'Homme and La Nuit de l'Homme aren't going to hold on as well. I just don't see the kind of following that Kouros has happening for them. Maybe Jazz didn't hang on as well either, but PH does. I think RG PH will live well beyond L'Homme and LaNdH.
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    I find L'Homme and La Nuit to be detestable drek, especially given the esteemed house that spawned them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DustB View Post
    Something tells me L'Homme and La Nuit de l'Homme aren't going to hold on as well. I just don't see the kind of following that Kouros has happening for them. Maybe Jazz didn't hang on as well either, but PH does. I think RG PH will live well beyond L'Homme and LaNdH.
    I totally agree DustB. The market is just to crowded with similar "types" of fragrances like La Nuit de L'homme and the first L'homme. They just simply do not have their own "identity". I do like La Nuit de L'homme. But I wouldn't like it at retail price . I'll see how I feel in one year.

    There's something to admire in a fragrance that is timeless. Rive Gauche pour Homme fits into that category, along with a few YSL scents.
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